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Ive been doing alot of research on rifle scopes online lately, its time to replace my old scope, ive been interested in the Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50. It has the high magnification that im looking for (living and hunting in Nevada there is a lot of open space) and a very attractive price, I was pretty much sold on the scope reading all the reviews from multiple websites, this one included, and today i decided to look at some scopes at the Bass Pro Shops here in town and looked through a swarovski, needless to say that scope was amazing but i dont want to spend that much money, my problem is they dont carry the vortex viper there, so im not able to look through one. Im sure it wont be as good as the swarovski but i would be happy if it is comparable to the Zeiss Conquest scopes. Any suggestions?
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6.5 on the low end.. is that low enough for a hunting scope?  Wonder how the low light capabilites will be on this... the 50mm will help.  Can't remember the formula for figuring that out.
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I have a Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 on it right now, it never leaves 9x and it just isnt cutting it anymore, its starting to get darker, i think i managed to remove any coating that once was on the lenses. Ive wanted to get a better scope for a while and figured id splurge a little this week.
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The Viper will not be as clear as the Conquest. The Vortex Razor line is more comparable to the Zeiss. I tried the 6.5-20 route and found out later the higher magnification was a waste for me. Get the 4.5-14 Conquest and be happy. Compairing the Conquest vs the FF ll at the same power, the Conquest image will appear much more distinct because of the better glass. Being able to see is in the glass not the magnification. The more magnification mostly magnifies the defects of the lenses.   The 4.5-14 is lighter which will not apply as much stress from the recoil into the system.
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the viper is real close to the VX3, maybe equal.
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

6.5 on the low end.. is that low enough for a hunting scope?  Wonder how the low light capabilites will be on this... the 50mm will help.  Can't remember the formula for figuring that out.
Objective size   50   divided by power setting  6.5x  =  7.69   and 7 is max you can use so plenty bright if you dial down to 6.5.  However  6.5 is a bit on the high side for stalking but fine from a stand. This would be a better choice:
Vortex 4-16x50 Viper HS 30mm Rifle Scope
Vortex 4-16x50 Viper HS 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - VORVHS4307LR
  • Matte
  • Dead-Hold BDC
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Waterproof
  • Fogproof
  • Shockproof
$599.95
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Originally posted by jjrgr21 jjrgr21 wrote:

the viper is real close to the VX3, maybe equal.


I think the Viper is a step down from the VX3 and the Conquest. But is very close to the VXIII.
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Ive been driving myself crazy on this for the last 3 months, I had been looking at the Zeiss Conquests just because of their reputation the price is a little higher than i wanted to go, so i started looking at the Vortex 1 because they were cheaper, 2 because of the reviews i had been reading on them and 3 their warranty. I started looking at what I was really going to be using it for and that would be hunting Mule deer, Antelope, and elk. Those are the intended targets for its future use. Ive been so back and forth on my thoughts about what scope i want or how much i want to spend that now i think i confused myself. From what i have read on here everyone has there own opinion on which glass is better. I just want to get a decent scope for a REASONABLE price and although the swarovski made me second guess myself i cant seem to bring myself to spend twice as much as i paid for the gun its going on. I guess what im really getting at is, for the money will the Viper HS Long Range 4-16x50 be the best deal for the money, features, optics quality excetera, it does only come in the bdc reticle which is fine because thats what my burris has in it and thats what im used to. So any more information on this will help me greatly. Im trying to stay around or under $600. i would like to have the higher magnification due to the fact that i have had situations where 400-500yd shots are not uncommon.
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Thank you for your help everyone, all your thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.Big Grin

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We all are constrained by our personal economy. There is almost always something better. If not now it will soon be out. Viper is a good scope. Conquest for several years has been the upper edge of the dividing line before you reach the Premim scopes. Be happy you can get the Viper. It is well above average of the scope crowd.
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Ordered this one today!!!! Thank you all for your help and suggestions. Cant wait to get it mounted and take it to the range Big Grin

Vortex 4-16x50 Viper HS 30mm Rifle Scope

Vortex 4-16x50 Viper HS 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - VORVHS4307LR
  • Matte
  • Dead-Hold BDC
  • 30mm
  • Long Range
  • Waterproof
  • Fogproof
  • Shockproof
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Excellent choice Brad.

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congrats... let us know how it works out.
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Thank you and i will. Although i just checked the status and it says item is forced back order. gonna call tomorrow and find out why that wasnt mentioned when i ordered it. didnt order from swfa so maybe thats what i get...... lol
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Originally posted by Brad4213 Brad4213 wrote:



Thank you and i will. Although i just checked the status and it says item is forced back order. gonna call tomorrow and find out why that wasnt mentioned when i ordered it. didnt order from swfa so maybe thats what i get...... lol


That sort of thing happens with lots of online stores, but you DEFINITELY should have went through the OT's gracious host.
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yeah im calling tomorrow, and if i dont get the answers i want im canceling the order and will most definitly be ordering from the host. Bucky the 5% off and free shipping lured me in at competitor.
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SWFA offers a 110% guarantee, so mention that to them if you call them.  There is no better CS than at SWFA.  They are the real deal.
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Let me suggest this since you have 1. determined the scope is not in stock at SWFA 2. cancled the SWFA order 3. ordered from a competitor who offered you 5% and free shipping.
 
Get the scope in do not mount it for a couple of days while you look at it under different lighting conditions to determine if it is really what you want. Do not alter it in any way or damage it and if you decide you do not like it as well as the Conquest you were considering then send it back.  While it will cost you about fifteen bucks UPS shipping that is the cost of doing business on the internet where you really cant easily side to side compare scopes. When I order a scope I call to be sure it is in stock. While talking to a real person at SWFA I would tell them the deal that their competitor offered you and so long as it can be verified they will definately beat the deal and over the years provide you the best in customer service that can be had.  Also note that on samplelist   http://www.samplelist.com/Riflescopes-C4.aspx#Zeiss you can occasionally find great deals on Zeiss scopes that were used as demo scopes at trade shows etc at significant savings. If you wanted a Conquest and watched the samplelist and called and talked to CFII at SWFA you could probably get into a Conquest.  I would still stay with the 4.5-14 though but my Conquest 4.5-14x44 Rapid Z800 came from samplelist and I love it and it cost me about what your Viper is costing you.
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Originally posted by Brad4213 Brad4213 wrote:

yeah im calling tomorrow, and if i dont get the answers i want im canceling the order and will most definitly be ordering from the host. Bucky the 5% off and free shipping lured me in at competitor.


I would cancel regardless and since it is out of stock you not out anything. As it has been stated in previous posts SWFA gives a 110% guarantee plus excellent CS.
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I canceled the order this morning. The "competitor " customer service was a bit rude when I asked why it didn't tell me the product wasn't in stock and why I wasn't notified. I'm a little ticked off about that. I did manage to find another website that has the scope in stock and much cheaper. I will call swfa Monday morning and find out if the scopes are in stock. If do then ill relay the website to them and go from there.
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And  even if it is not in stock at SWFA please realize that a tremendous amount of inventory goes in and out constantly especially new models where ones that have been around a while like the Conquest line are more often in stock. Think about the Zeiss and inquire what SWFA might be able to do for you. Try to talk to CFII when you call and refrence this thread on OT.  I have one of thes and its a great scope.
Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope Rapid Z 800 Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214309972
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 800
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
$899.95  
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I also have two of these - the more expensive illuminated model but I also really really like this scope but its a lot more.  Sometimes its better to spend a little more and be happy in the long run.
SWFA SS 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope SWFA SS 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SSHD520X50MQ
  • Patented First Focal Plane Mil-Quad Reticle
  • 30mm
  • HD Model
  • Locking Ocular Adjustment
  • 0.1 Mrad Elevation & Windage
  • 10 Mils Per Revolution
  • 30 Mils Of Total Travel
  • Side Focus
$1,299.95
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Also realize that the Viper PST line has been out a tad longer than the HS line but its the same glass and true tactical knobs and tactical reticle so its another option. They make these in a more expensive First Focal Plane scope but its cool that tha reticle and adjutments are in the same increments.  The one with  1/10 mil  has a mil dot based system http://www.mildot.com/    http://www.mil-dot.com/ and the one with 1/4 moa  moves 1/4 inch per click at 100  or 1/2 in per click at 200 or 3/4 in per click at 300 and the reticle when matched  up to a target at 100 each mark on the reticle represents 1 inch at 100 or 2 inches at 200 or 3 inches at 300  so these are very cool scopes also.  SWFA has always been really helpful to me and Ive learened a lot about optics here.
Vortex 4-16x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope Vortex 4-16x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - PST416S1M
  • Matte
  • EBR-1 Mil Reticle
  • 30mm
  • .10 Mil Adjustments
$699.95   

 
Vortex 4-16x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope Vortex 4-16x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - PST416S1A
  • Matte
  • EBR-1 MOA Reticle
  • 30mm
  • .25 MOA Adjustments
$699.95 


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I have 2 of the Vortex Viper HS 4-16x50mm. I like the scopes, otherwise I would not have gotten a second one 3 months later. I have had to use Vortex Customer Service in the past for another Vortex product and its just hard to really believe how good they are untill you need them. They are super! Excellent
 
...but I am not going to mislead anyone on a purchase so here are a few thoughts using my eyes.
 
1. For a comparison, the Nikon Monarch glass up to 9x is very crisp crystal clear; The Vortex Viper HS is not quite as crisp at the 9x (it must be the coatings?) .... but after that, the Vortex Viper HS maintains a good quality straight thru to 16x whereas the Monarch goes white on the edges and does not maintain a crisp view.   ...for your dollar, purchasing a Vortex HS 4-16x scope for clarity at 16x, you will get your moneys worth and be happy.
 
2. Fine cross hairs - there is a pro and a con to these very fine cross hairs (for that matter any scope with very fine cross hairs and without illumination)  Pro - I feel I can really pinpoint the exact point in a target where I want the bullet to go. My groups improved quite a bit having the thinner cross hairs.  Con - just as some have mentioned in a few reviews, the fine crosshairs might be difficult to see on black (can someone say BEAR!); also when at the range, black bullseyes make the thin crosshairs difficult to pinpoint the exact center of the target. I started using light color bullseyes to get around that at the range.  Indifferent - I have had this scope out for last years hunting season and I had no problem with low light\ fine cross hair target acquisition, again as long as the target is not black.  Illumination - I never appreciated an option for illumination until owning this scope with its fine cross hairs. The PST does have illumination but I am not going to pay $200.00 more for such a feature.
 
3. The one real not so happy feature this scope has is the rubber ribbed ring that turns the magnification up or down. One scope it has become loose. Vortex has no problem with repairing but also suggested I could try reapplying rubber cement. Will try but I would rather have had a solid lever, maybe like the regular Viper.
 
Overall, the scope performs and you will be happy.
Congratulations on your new purchase.
 
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Finally got to compare a Viper PST 4-16x50 next to a Conquest 4.5-14x50. The Vortex is a good scope and the glass is clear, but the Conquest was a little bit clearer and was on sale for 799. So if on Monday when i call SWFA if they do not have the HS LR in stock i will go get the Conquest.
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