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Hi,I would like to get your opinion on cheap high power scopes. All these scopes seem to get fuzzy at high power, would a 8-32 set at 24X be clearer then a 6-24X set at 24X ?
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Welcome.


This probably won't go the direction you wish, at least for my part.

"Cheap" and "high power" seldom go together, unless it is a lamentation for one's reality vs wish.

I sit squarely in the "glass quality over magnification" camp, and I have a Tasco 6-24 sitting on a shelf nearby for just that reason.  The simple fact is that good, long range optics cost money to make, and are complex (relatively speaking) optical devices.  

The first real step in the conversation is to quantify "cheap."  What are our upper limits for the conversation?

Our resident optics expert, ILya Koshkin, has a nice article on the topic here  (http://opticsthoughts.com/?page_id=77)

Next step is to define "high power."

Finally, what aspect, exactly, are we discussing: optical clarity, ease of good sight picture, optical precision, brightness, ext?

As usual, a good agreement on vocabulary and intent will determine how useful this conversation is.  Without that, I can make a few recommendations, but they would be far from "cheap."
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Not sure why you need that much magnification.  I tend to believe that SWFA fixed power 16x and 20X scopes are pretty good for being under $300 and that anything that works and will hold up as well is going to cost you a lot more.  I have some scopes that top at 20 to 25 but they are well over $1000 and to get really great glass that has that kind of magnification is more than that.  Sightron S3 scopes are worth a look. Sometimes you can find a deal on something on samplelist.com.
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I think I need to get on a forum of good old boys, not people how think they are Roads Scholars.
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Ok  Try this on for size. Cheap high magnification scopes will not be clear. They will usually be hazy at any power. Better glass will trump magnification every day. Good glass can be had without breaking the bank.
Now for the details needed to help with your selection.
 
What is your price range?
How far and what rifle and caliber do you shoot?
Target or hunting?

We can help you save money in the long run if we can keep you from buying several scopes that have poor performance and will not be suited for your needs.
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Originally posted by colt 1911 colt 1911 wrote:

Hi,I would like to get your opinion on cheap high power scopes. All these scopes seem to get fuzzy at high power, would a 8-32 set at 24X be clearer then a 6-24X set at 24X ?

I have a Swift 8-32 on a .243BAR.  It is the best high power, low cost scope I've run across, but it still has some "issues" at 32x at long range (over 2 miles).  Though relatively clean at the center, there is still a little fuzziness that cannot be adjusted out toward the edges of the objective.  The fuzz is significantly decreased at 30x and greatly decreased at 28x.  The fuzziness would not cause me to miss a shot, but it is a bit irritating.  Other than that, I've had no problems with the scope.  For the time being, it is staying on the .243.  
Swift has always done a good job, for me, with their low cost scopes.  The Premier line is all I have ever used, though have acquaintances who have had Reliants… I did not think much of those, though the pistol scopes seem to work well.

Swift has one of the best warranties in the "scope world".  I'm never really concerned about anything going wrong with one of their scopes.  
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Originally posted by colt 1911 colt 1911 wrote:

I think I need to get on a forum of good old boys, not people how think they are Roads Scholars.

umm....that would be Rhodes Scholars, but I digress......



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Thanks Alan,That's the best answer so far.I have a Bausch + Lomb two Nikons and a Weaver.I can buy anything I want, I don't plan to buy a cheap scope, I was just curious because everybody talks about fussy at the higher end of there scope.
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Howdy colt1911 and welcome to the forum.
You're right about getting blurry or whatever at high end of high mag scopes.

I thought your question should have been "Would a 32X scope rolled back to 24X be clearer than a 24X scope at 24X?" And that, I could not answer, but I'm thinking that the answer would be yes.

Ps I have a tripnut friend that was whining not too long ago about his Hensoldt getting blurry past a mile. I almost couldn't stop laughing.
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Originally posted by colt 1911 colt 1911 wrote:

Thanks Alan,That's the best answer so far.I have a Bausch + Lomb two Nikons and a Weaver.I can buy anything I want, I don't plan to buy a cheap scope, I was just curious because everybody talks about fussy at the higher end of there scope.

You asked the question about "cheap" scopes.  

I have a Hensoldt 6-24x72… if you don't want any "fuzzy" image at long range, get one.
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