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I am putting together my 1st high powered rifle. I would like a scope that can handle the recoil from a 7 mm mag. that is either 4 x 12 or 6 x 18-20. I have limited funds right now(less than $700.) I have been looking at Nikons and Leupolds mostly. I plan on doing some target shooting, long range varmit(300 yards or so) and will deer hunt with these gun also. I have also considered non-variable scopes seeing as from past experience that I always left the scope on it's highest power anyway. Any suggestions?
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http://www.riflescopes.com/products/5214309920/zeiss_4.5-14x 44_conquest_rifle_scope.htm

 

Actually, this is probably too much scope,(power), than you will need.

But, since you threw "varmints" into the mix, I gave you the 14x too see little varmints like prarie dogs, ground hogs, etc.

 

I would prefer the 3.5-10x44 Conquest or even the 3-9 for deer hunting.

Better FOV, less money than the scope above to boot.

 

- 4" fixed eye relief (on the 3-9)

- Laser etched reticle

 

$700 buys you a lot of scope these days.

 

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Actually, I have been looking at higher powers like 6 x 18 or 6.5 x 20. I wouldn't even mind a 8 x 24-32. What I am really looking for is a scope that will stand the recoil of a 7 mm mag. I only know a little about nikon and leupold.

 

I have a good brush gun for deer. If I take this one out for deer, I will be in a open place where the shoots will be 100 yards plus. We killed a 21 point buck (whitetail) last year at 350 yards.

 

I had heard that nikon was the way to go, but then "My Source" changed his mind and started buying Leupolds. I have heard good thing about both.

 

John

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I'm not a fan of the higher powers for a couple of reasons, but namely mirage.

 

As far as recoil, all the scopes mentioned should handle the recoil of a 7mm mag.

My buddy runs a Nikon Monarch on his no problem.

 

Good luck!!

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I'm not a fan of the higher powers for a couple of reasons, but namely mirage.

 

I don't really know what this means.

 

Once I figure you out what scope I am getting (I am leaning towards a Monarch 6.5 x 20 x 44) Although the SS 20 x 42 or 15 x 42. would be good also.  I need to figure out the best way to set it up. One peice mount or two peice mounts. Dual dove tail rings, one peice rings?????

 

The rifle I have is a Browning A-bolt II Eclipse 7mm mag 26" barrel with the BOSS system. 

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First a 7 mm mag does not recoil that much- same class as a 30-06, 270 and the gun you are using is on the heavier side for this class of cartridges almost any scope will handle this (as cheaptrick noted). The mirage of a 6.5 x 20 on 6.5 power is no different than mirage of a 3x9 on 6.5 power. (or both on 9x etc.), There is a great deal of difference in how fast you can get a shot of between the two when set on the same power. Generally the higher the mag. in the scope the more the eye has to be centered as it finds the cross hair and is more critical of off axix alignment. Sight alignment with things like dots, 4x scopes are usually desired when the degree of precision is not very high, (hitting an exact spot on a deer at 300 yds) rather than just a lethal shot such as hunting in heavy timber or close brush. My choice for your gun would be the Monarch or Leo in 6.5x20 to take advantage of the BOSS system (which in my experience works well for seperating out the most accurate factory loads but doesn't work well for handloads).
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It sound like to me anyway that you need to bring more focus on what the rifle is supposed to do.  Most of the time, I end up make a mission statement for the gun.  That means I set up a check list (not a wish list) of what the gun should do for me.  Which forces me to set priorities like how much time will I use the gun to do what?  Have you made up range cards for the area you will be hunting in?  What percent of the time will you be deer hunting? What will be the weather conditions? What will be the ranges.  The same for varmit hunting.

 

Here is the other thing, magnification alone is not an answer. There are trade offs between magnification and resolution; more so when you put a dollar cap on things.  Can you clearly see the individual blades of grass that the ground hog is in?  Is that a spike or a doe?

 

Often game is not out in broad daylight,  that means the extra magnification that helps you on the paper range starts to work against you as evening approaches.  The same with field of view. 

 

 It is getting dark and it is the last day of the season.  You can't find the #$%&***ing animal, because eveything is brown... You scope is set on 300x... You have to reset that... It is getting darker.... Is it a spike or a doe?  It is getting darker... Ok, your down to 20x... Where is the &*~#$$ thing?  Why can't I find it in the scope? Is it a spike or a doe?  Where is it? I can see it with my eyballs, but why I can't find it in my scope?  I paid two trillion dollars for the scope... 

 

Higher magnification can also mean higher stress when hunting

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Sounds like a nice setup you're looking to put together.  I have an A-Bolt in .260 Remington that I absolutely love!

I think you're barking up the right tree with leaning toward a Nikon Monarch.  I have a 5.5x16.5 Monarch on a Savage .308 and I wouldn't change it out for anything under $1,000.  In my humble opinion, the Monarch glass is superior to VX II and VX III and Nikon's warranty is just as good as that from Leupold. 

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With me, less is more.

 

As Dale stated, mirage is the same on all scopes, if set at the same power level.

So a higher power setting than 16x or 17x is just a waste. My opinion. 

My point is to try to get by with as little power as you can.

 

Silver's "low light" scenario was great! 

 

Higher power scopes are for bench rest shooters who actually like to fight mirage, IMO. 

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Ok What is mirage? Can someone explain this to me. Sorry, never heard this term before.

 

 

John

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Hit the search button, type in mirage and click on the right area that says text message.
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Originally posted by jccch jccch wrote:

Ok What is mirage? Can someone explain this to me. Sorry, never heard this term before.

 

 

John

 

You may have also heard the name as Heat Waves.

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