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Hi everyone, I'm new to Opticstalk but figured I'd jump in as the subject matter here is highly relevant to my interests!  I recently acquired the new Super Sniper 1-4X24 HD and was so impressed by it that I wrote a detailed review to share with a few online communities.  I've also posted this review at AR15.com and Snipershide.com  - I hope you like it:
 
"Technology is not evolving anymore, technology IS evolution!”

I was very enthusiastic to write this review.  I’ve long been a clap-happy fan of practical optics, versatile carbines, and industry savvy.  When SWFA announced the creation of a Super Sniper line of low power variable optics – I was immediately intrigued.  Why? For one – SWFA stocks, handles, and sells virtually every optic commercially available.  By trade SWFA has a finger on the pulse of the optics industry.  They know what works, what doesn’t, what sells, and what the end user wants in a comprehensive scope for the AR platform. 

SWFA ventured to assess, design, manufacture, and drop such an investment into the mosh pit of competing heavy duty optics. This maneuver is a true testament to their confidence over the Super Sniper line of products.  That’s definitely worth noting and inspires some legitimate curiosity as to what makes this scope worth your while.  This review is intended to help satisfy that craving.  It will also share my personal observations with regards to how this scope compares to others in its class.  Lord knows I’ve tried many an optic over the years.  So many incredible options, each with its own set of pros and cons.  For each scope I’ve tried, I’ve also found a reason to get rid of it.  There was always a technical compromise that prevented the low power variable from serving in the capacity of a general purpose optic. By "general purpose" I mean that which is best suited to hit typical silhouettes with no specific range limitations.

Before I get too far into this…let me come right out and state that from my perspective the SWFA Super Sniper 1-4 HD is the long overdue culmination of several proven and popular scope designs.  They’ve taken the best mojo from other capable scopes placed them all into one.  If you are in the market for a high quality do-it-all optic and mount combo under $1,000 for your AR15 – read on.

My range time (aka free time) has been very limited this month.  Consequently to date I have only fired 200 rounds of M855 behind this scope to establish a 50/200 yard zero and feel out the basics of what the Super Sniper offers.  To really dig into the details of its long range accuracy potential past 200 yards I’ll reference a great field review by contributor I have a great deal of respect for:

SWFA 1-4 HD Field Test (long w/photos)

The SWFA Super Sniper 1-4X24 HD:

What SWFA has essentially done here is create an exceptionally rugged and high quality 1-4X variable that caters to the standard 50 / 200 yard zero yet offers unparalleled advantages when dialing out to the limits of one’s abilities.  A great deal of innovation went into its design. 


For my review I elected the model with the CQB circle and capped turrets.  SWFA also offers this model with an open MIL crosshair and uncapped turrets.  My shooting efforts with the 5.56 cartridge rarely exceed 200 yards, so for my perceived shooting venues I wanted a zero that I could set and forget.  In the event I want to move to a bipod in the prone position and exercise my carbine’s accuracy potential beyond typical ranges – I could…and with great ease.  The way I see it, extended shots past 200 yards are the exception and not the norm.  If the opposite were true one would likely opt for a different caliber and / or higher powered scope.  To be able to cap the turrets all together is a great benefit.

When stacking up the important components of a low power variable optic – a short list of must haves come to mind:

1) Durability
2) Glass
3) Reticle Design
4) Turrets
5) Eye Relief and Exit Pupil
6) Weight
7) Illumination Potential
8) Battery Power
9) Customer Service
10) Affordability

These factors all contribute to a scope’s worthiness over a firearm. Those who have spent enough time behind an occular can certainly appreciate how very important such details are.  The Super Sniper 1-4 HD capitalizes on each of those factors by incorporating the best resolutions available.  To elaborate:

Its components are very Spartan and robust.  In my view it stands shoulder to shoulder with the level of quality standardized by Nightforce.  Rated -50 to 130 degrees Fahrenheit, weather proof, etc – it’d serve under any condition one would consider shooting in.  Such parameters should be a given for any scope labeled “HD.” Turret caps are well secured.  Occular adjustments lock up tight.  The rheostat knob is well seated by threads and gaskets.  It rotates with a positive feel with off settings between illumination levels, inspired by Leupold’s MR/T perhaps.  The magnification dial rotates from 1X to 4X with a 180 degree rotation.  I can do this with two deliberate wrist moves.  Keep the cat tails…you won’t need it.  The body has a hard matte black finish.  In hand, to me, this scope feels very rugged.  It appears to be on par with Nightforce and S&B.  In short – it’s definitely heavy duty.  No issues here.  To speculate further would be unsubstantiated.  I don’t plan on using mine to pound roofing nails in order to make a point!




Glass quality is superb.  The sight picture is crystal clear from edge to edge and boasts a generous FOV regardless of magnification level.  Light transmission is incredible.  I have no means to gauge it but it's akin to looking through a clean glass window.  The view contains three high contrasting black posts that taper into the SS’s simple and efficient CQB circle. Reminiscent of the Nightforce FC-2 the circle truly dominates your sight alignment by naturally drawing your eye to the center.  Inside the circle is an innovative FFP Mil / Mil crosshair.  At 1X magnification the crosshairs becomes a ghosted center point which perfectly compliments the speed and accuracy potential of the reticle when shooting with both eyes open.  Crank it up to 4X for incredible clarity and a precise aiming point.  The circle is large enough to center on a silhouette but small enough to stay out of the way at higher magnification.  The dimensions are right where they need to be.  In a way, the Super Sniper gives you two reticles to work from – one at 1X, and the other at 4X.

The treeline past the snowfield is 150 yards away:



At 4X the tapered posts and circle become the backdrop for what may be the SS’s most unique aspect compared to other scopes in its class.  Whereas many low power variables cater to venues >50 yards or <200, the SS’s reticle successfully bridged the gap and gives the shooter the absolute best aiming system regardless of range.  Finally!  The reticle is simple and effective.  You don’t lose it in the FOV nor does it get overwhelming. 

The Mil / Mil crosshairs provide a universally accepted and consistent means of correcting and calculating elevation and windage.  SWFA deserves a lot of credit for going this way as it transcends specific bullet drop calibrations and stadia based on certain cartridges, loads, etc.  Many scopes like the Burris XTR do this and I find it limits the scope’s potential and muddies its simple usability.  Even with bullet drop compensation it's typically load specific and is influenced by so many other variables.  ACOG's pull it off.  Not sure who else does....with great success.  I like the template the mil system offers with regards to customizing your specific firearm and ammo.  With a 0.10 Mil adjustment – it certainly delivers flexibility to the shooter.  On the capped model the turrets lift up for calibration and are pressed down once corrected.  From there you dial accordingly and accurately.  Again, shooting that far isn’t (in my view) the norm for a 5.56 carbine so the added effort of removing a turret cap for adjustment and ranging are duly warranted.  Of course the the same could apply to a 7.62 rifle. The ability to utilize the same reticle for CQB, typical shooting venues below 200 yards, and long range shooting is in my view the most powerful advantage of the Super Sniper 1-4 HD.  Even without messing with the turrets, one could range their respective cartridge(s) to the horizontal stadia for holdovers.  Options are good!

How about that illumination!  The circle and crosshairs are daylight visible.  SWFA told me they went as bright as technology would allow.  I can attest…the illumination is certainly all that and more. With the reticle’s surface area illuminated….you get a circular visual very similar to looking through a Swarovski 1-6.  The SS is bright enough to allow for some blooming as well, seen as “spillover” from behind the black posts.  Additionally, it’s worth noting that even without the illumination – the glass quality and black reticle is crisp and contrasts incredibly well on its own.  Illumination, while important and favored amongst many – isn’t entirely necessary.  For myself, a large portion of the year is blanketed with snow and a black reticle is actually preferred.  I’m also of a fan of the rheostat’s orientation on the scope.  Similar to Nightforce, the knob is on the side of the scope but retains the same on/off layout as Leupold’s MR/T.  Not 100% sure on the battery life yet – I’ll update when I learn more or do the experiment myself.  More information about the illumination can be found by perusing this thread: Optics Talk Review of the Super Sniper 1-4 HD

So how does the Super Sniper stack up to other optics in the mid-range price bracket of $600-$1200?  I personally think this is the most comprehensive optic ever made available for the AR15 platform.  Mind you, as certain aspects of optics mean more to others – your own preferences may vary.  For example, if you don’t shoot past 200 yards, a Nightforce FC-2 or NP-1 would suit you well.  Same could be said for the daylight bright Meopta K-Dot or the battery free Trijicon Accupoint.  If you find yourself shooting 50+ yards then the MR/T, XTR, IOR, NF, etc should be on your short list.  There are so many optics to choose from.  Let the venue drive your selection though.  If weight really matters then no low power variable will suit your comfort level and you should look at the ever popular Aimpoint with a QD magnifier or an ACOG like the incredible Trijicon TA33.  If cost matters then you may wish to check out the Vortex PST which hosts a ton of features around $500.  There is a lot of great options out there and I don't mean to discredit any of them.  There are pros and cons to each optic and they all provide something that the other doesn't. 

To that end, if you want the best of everything and the worst of none – then you should feel very confident in selecting a Super Sniper 1-4X24 HD.  In all my years shooting AR’s, “nothing comes close” to the value offered in this scope.  It is extremely rugged, very clear, ultra bright, easy to use, and will serve your AR15 well regardless of range.  As with the rest of the new Super Sniper HD line of products – it’s a safe assumption to classify these low power variables as workhorses.  I really like mine and fully intend to keep it.  In my view it’s the best 1-4 scope it its class and worth every penny at $799.  These aren't the tried and true fixed magnification scopes of years past.  This round of Super Snipers have evolved substantially.  Hope this review helps. 

Don't forget the mount! The Bobro (pictured) is very nice.  If you roll with Larue - I'd suggest the extended version.  It'd give you more positioning freedom, especially if you shoot NTCH.  


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Welcome to the OT!

I take it your final impression is:  The 1-4SS is awesome.
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Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Welcome to the OT!

I take it your final impression is:  The 1-4SS is awesome.
 
 
lol...if I were to publish cliff notes...that's all book would say! Big Grin
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Nice write-up!

You have the exact version I am thinking about.

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Welcome to the OT!
 
As for your reviewExcellentHope you  will B be sticking around.


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Nice review, Hokie!  Thanks for posting it, and welcome to OT!
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Excellent Very nice right up.  I now need one of those scopes for my AR!!  Would be a perfect match.  Love the great pics of the reticle.
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Excellent write up and review. "Nice rig there also"

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Excellent write up and thank you! 
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I am in the market for a scope to mount on an 18" barreled AR15 that will be used for short and 100-200 yard shooting with some fast transitions between distances.

I had pretty much decided on the Burris Tac30.  Today I came across the SWFA Super Sniper 1-4x24HD and noted several positive reviews on them.

I'd appreciate some help from someone who can provide a solid description of what advantages or disadvantages, features and options each of these scopes would to offer compared to the other.

If you guys can fill me in, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks for the help.
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Well,

The advantages:  The reticle is First Focal Plane (FFP).  It functions like a red dot at 1x and a mildot at 4x.  It is just about perfect for what you are describing.  Then there is the quality of build, excellent customer service, etc. etc.

The disadvantages for what you want:  Zero.
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There are a bunch of reviews on this site.  Also on snipers hide there are several.  I would point you to look for those.  They should answer all your questions.
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Alright folks, here is a blue collar comparison of seven low power variable scopes.  These are just my personal observations with regards to glass quality, construction, reticle design, illumination, price, etc. I didn’t put any rounds downrange with these scopes.  Everything is simply based on my handling and comparing them to each other.  Moreover, this is a review of how they stack up to the SS 1-4 HD. 

 

I'm of the opinion that a performance at 1X is extremely important, otherwise, why go with a 1X-4X at all? I'm also of the opinion that an AR15's usefulness is best served below a few hundred yards.  Reticle design is paramount.  That said, I think an accurized carbine is certainly capable beyond that range.  Again, reticle design is paramount as is glass quality. To be able to do it all through a low power variable - that scope needs to cater to CQB type applications at 1X magnification yet boast some real legitimate benefits at 4X.   Having the chance to weigh several scopes against each other I am absolutely in favor of the SS 1-4 HD.  I'll do my best to explain why.  For a general purpose low power variable scope, the SS exceeds every option I’d want to ride my carbines.

 

First - the comparisons.  Cut and pasted specs from each company’s page.  Mind you these are just my opinions, nothing more.

 

I believe the following five scopes all machine their tubes from solid bar stock 6061-T6 aircraft-grade aluminum alloy.  So let’s assume construction is on par.  All adjustments and moving components on the following optics are also comparable and do not offer a real advantage over the other.  Not that I can tell anyway.  There may be some stark differences internally – but everything works as advertised.  The real differences between the following are in the glass quality and reticle design. 

 

Nightforce NXS 1-4 NXS Compact Mil Dot:

 Magnification:                                                    1-4x

 Objective Diameter:                                           24mm

 Exit Pupil Diameter:                                           16mm @ 1x  6mm @ 4x

 Field Of View:                                                   100ft @ 1x  25ft @4x

 Eye Relief:                                                         3.5in (90mm)

 Internal Adjustment Range:                                100moa elev.  100moa wind.

 Click Value:                                                      .250moa

 Tube Diameter:                                                  30mm (1.18in)

 Ocular Diameter:                                               33mm

 Mounting Length:                                               5.4in

 Weight:                                                             17oz (1-4x)

 Overall Length:                                                  8.8in

 Reticles:                                                            NP-1, FC-2, Mil-Dot  

 

Nightforce Optics has a well known reputation for heavy duty construction.  No argument here.  It’s a compact rugged option, for certain.  I’m also convinced there’s a reason they don’t call themselves Dayforce Optics.  The hollowed out reticles are damn near invisible for practical ranges that justify 1X-4X variable scopes.  Frankly, the NXS 1-4 Mil Dot sucks at 1X.  Up close, I really like the FC-2 option for daytime use as its design clearly inspired the SS.  Even so, the FC-2 doesn’t offer much in the way of precise aiming past the 5.56 cartridge’s point blank range.  I went with the Mil Dot here to compare against the SS’s FFP reticle.  At 4X, the NF offers absolutely no discernable advantage over the SS.  In fact, I find the NF’s reticle to bleed/bloom while illuminated.  I also find the SS to have better glass, comparatively. The glass quality of the NXS is great, but not SS great.  The SS is exceptionally crisp and bright.  That bump in clarity makes the SS’s crosshairs really sharp.  The SS has horizontal stadia as opposed to mil dots.  I like that myself.  By my account the SS blows the NXS Mil Dot away at 1X and outperforms it at 4X.  Comparing it to the FC-2 version at 1X, the SS is comparable but blows it away at 4X.  Construction wise, I couldn’t tell which optic appears stronger.  They’re both very robust optics.  Overall I’m of the opinion the SS is a better scope than the NF, regardless of what reticle the NF is wearing.  Considering the SS lists at $800 vs. $1100+/-…the decision is an easy one.

 

Vortex PST 1-4X24:

Magnification                 1-4 x

Objective Lens Diameter          24 mm

Eye Relief                      4 inches

Field of View                 98-27.5 feet/100 yards

Tube Size                      30 mm

Turret Style                   Tall Uncapped - CRS Zero Stop

Adjustment Graduation  .2 mrads

Max Elevation Adjustment        64 mrads

Max Windage Adjustment        64 mrads

Parallax Setting              100 yards

Length                           9.7 inches

Weight                          16 ounces

 

I’d have to say that comparing the SS to the Vortex PST and Razor was the cornerstone of my enthusiasm on this follow up review.  Everyone’s looking to save a few bucks and get the best value in an optic.  With a $300 price difference, the PST is rockn’ and rollin’ through the industry.  With the PST in hand I can understand why.  It’s a nice scope for $500.  That said, there are some aspects of the PST that highlight some key disadvantages if one is to compare it to the SS. 

 

First, the glass quality.  Between the two the differences are noticeable.  If one is to take the two and look through them back to back – it’s very evident that the SS is a brighter and crisper experience.  Does this matter? At extended ranges it sure does. 

 

Second, the reticle.  The PST hit the market with a SFP reticle design that allows the shooter some boldness at 1X and some precision at 4X.  The SFP of course stays the same size through the magnification whereas the FFP grows and shrinks.  It is with the reticle comparison that I draw my primary bias for the SS.  At 1X the PST’s broken circle and lack of horizontal and vertical posts focus your attention at 1X on the 4 black quadrants.  Not many scopes even approach the PST/SS’ CQB intentions with their reticle…so to that end the PST is a winner.  Compared to the SS however, the PST grossly falls short with regards to speed.

 

Third, the illumination.  Brightness is on par with each other.  However, simply stated the SS’ reticle has more real estate – and to that end is brighter.  The red is almost neon.  Both reticles are daylight “practical” and will light up against most backgrounds.  Both rheostats will last at full brightness for a healthy work day, patrol, coyote hunt, or stroll through the local zombie park.  All said and done if the illumination went dead…you’d better hope you had the best bold black reticle design on the market.  Pictures speak a thousand words:

 

(4X zoom through 1X magnification on the scopes)

 

PST’s reticle

 

SS’ reticle

 

The turrets and calibration of the PST is nice.  It boats a .2 mrad adjustment as opposed to the SS’ .1 adjustment.  Big deal? Not really.  The rest of the comparisons are worth noting, but aren’t deal breakers.  I like the Spartan simplicity of the SS’ construction over the PST.  Less is more as far as I’m concerned.  PST added some bells n’ whistles that I feel are neat, but not necessary for a rugged knock around AR scope.  I also like how the SS has a deep 5/8” objective over the glass as a protective measure and sunshade.  I like the infinite adjustability of the ocular.  Takes a spell to get it right, but once you do – it’s amazing.  The PST is faster to adjust, admittedly.  The PST has no locking mechanism either, which is a detriment IMHO.  All said and done, I won’t knock the PST because it’s a great option at $500.  Still, comparatively…the SS is a better scope with better glass, better construction, and a much better reticle.  Worth $300 more? Yes.  The SS is in a different, and higher, tier than the PST. 

 

Vortex Razor 1-4 HD:

Magnification                      1-4 x

Objective Lens Diameter    24 mm

Eye Relief                           3.9 inches

Field of View                      94.5-24.2 feet/100 yards

Tube Size                           30 mm

Turret Style                        Tall Uncapped

Adjustment Graduation       1/4 MOA

Max Elevation Adjustment  200 MOA

Max Windage Adjustment  200 MOA

Parallax Setting                   100 yards

Length                                10.3 inches

Weight                               20.2 ounces

 

In my opinion the Vortex Razor is the only Vortex optic that can truly be compared to the level of quality and finish I think is now owned by the SS 1-4 HD.  This review will be brief.  The glass quality rivals that of the SS in terms of noticeable brightness and impressive clarity.  The construction of the Razor itself is also nice.  Same bells and whistles as the PST, but more refined.  The turrets are fatter than the SS and PST, and are real tight to the point where it’s a bitch to manipulate.  Not a problem leaning over the gun but concentrating on a target at 4X will shift your FOV significantly.  The Razor also has ¼ MOA adjustments, which I don’t personally care for.

 

As for the reticle, there is no comparison…as there’s nothing to compare!  The EBR-556 confuses me.  It’s invisible at 1X and too clustered for my liking at 4X.  I think the Vortex had some great intentions with the EBR-556, but it’s lost on me.  If one wanted a precision reticle in a 1X-4X scope, they should have kept it SFP and beefed up the horizontal and vertical stadia.  Its too late though as SS beat them to the punch with their crosshair reticle option. 

 

Even with the Razor’s level of quality which rivals the SS more so than the PST, I’d rather have a PST than a Razor.  Still, I’d much rather have a SS than either!

 

Schmidt & Bender 1.1-4 Short Dot:

Magnification:                  1.1 - 4x

Field of view @ 100m:    10m - 32m

Exit pupil:                        14mm - 5.5mm

Eye relief:                        min 85mm

Light transmission:            min 85% day & night

Diopter setting:                +2 to -3

Elevation increments:           1/2 MOA per click

Elevation range:                   26 MOA

Windage increments:            1/2 MOA per click

Windage range:                ±13 MOA

 

I have to admit, I was anticipating being blown away by the $2,000+ tactical superiority of the coveted S&B 1.1X-4X Short Dot.  I’m not, at all.  While the S&B boasts some significant advantages with its illumination and innovative turret construction, I find it grossly lacking in terms of glass quality and reticle design.  I might get hung out to dry on this one by the general public, but having had the opportunity to mess around with the S&B – I don’t want one. 

 

The turrets are cool though in that you lift them up to turn them.  They’re on a spring system which automatically locks them into place.  It has ½ MOA adjustments…which again, I don’t care for.  Otherwise the construction is all that it should be.  The S&B is certainly heavier than the other options too. 

 

With all the smoke & mirrors out of the way, what you pay for in the Short Dot is daytime illumination akin to an Aimpoint.  This particular aspect intrigued me so I spent some time with it.  Stacked up to an Aimpoint H-1 at its highest setting, the S&B’s max brightness was one illumination below it.  The SS’ illumination was one brightness setting below that. 

 

What’s that mean?  It means the H-1 and S&B are daylight visible.  The H-1 has an edge though with that extra setting which gets you a visible red dot in the event you’re aiming directly into the sun. The S&B is daylight visible under every venue.  I’d like to think that bright sun beaten snow at high noon on a cloudless day is about as bright a background one could encounter.  The SS blackens out under these circumstances but the bold reticle takes over and delivers a better contrasting design than the H-1 and S&B.  For what it’s worth, I’d rather have a black reticle on bright backgrounds instead of experimenting with what will and what won’t wash out.

 

I also noticed that at 1X magnification, the S&B’s reticle is essentially useless without the red dot.  It’s too fine a FFP crosshair with a hollow frame to be of any practical use.  You need the dot which means you need the battery.  Not sure I like that dependency.  Beyond the 1X issues, the glass quality is bluish and dull.  I find the quality of glass compared to the SS to be … well, horrible.  The crosshair thickness at 4X seems to lack the level of precision the SS has as well. 

 

S&B and H-1 at full brightness:

 

 

So, in summary – the SS 1-4 HD has construction, glass, and reticle advantages that set it far ahead of every low power variable optic I’ve had the pleasure of evaluating.  At $800, the scope is not only a superior scope, but it’s a great bargain.  The SS doesn’t have to compete with any scope on the market.  Other scopes have to compete with the SS.

 

For me…I have a 14.5” carbine with an Aimpoint, and a 16” with a SS 1-4 HD.  It’s all I want and all I need.  With its unique FFP reticle design, high quality glass, and rugged design, it does everything the shooter could want.  After perusing AR15.com for over 10 years, I’ve read and contributed to threads and endless discussion on what would constitute the perfect 1X-4X scope for the AR.  Heck at one time a true 1X magnification level was a pipe dream!  But here are in 2011…and SWFA hit the nail on the head with the introduction of the SS line of HD optics.  It’s evolution in motion.  I truly feel this scope is the best representation of over 10 years of industry feedback.

 

Hope this helps.  If I missed anything or didn’t touch on a particular aspect, I apologize!  Thanks for taking the time to read.

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Excellent nice write up
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Man oh man what a nice "backyard" that is a beautiful scene and then to be able to look at them through those selections of glass...

I am starting to sin looking at this post "ENVY"...
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"Charlie Don't Surf".............Excellent

Excellent use of photos! 
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What a "Hokie" review... (get it ... Hokie1850,  Hokie review... nevermind)
 
Excellent.  Your comparisons are just outstanding.  You didn't wishy-wash anything, showed the advantages and disadvantages of all in your comparison set and used personal experience as a "deciding factor".  Great stuff and thank you...
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That review is truly awesome.

Really great.
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Great review! thanks! Excellent
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It's truly my pleasure guys.  Here are a few other scope comparisons I did with the review but didn't originally include in this thread:
 
BSA Catseye:


*I wrote the specs on this one…
Weight (oz): fat hamster
Length (in): skid mark
Eye Relief (in): not far enough
Field of View @ 100yds (ft): thumb’s width
Exit Pupil (mm): wtf does it even matter, really
MOA: 1 click = 16” oak tree
Lens Coating: Lard
Warranty: Couldn’t pay me to mail it in.
 
This rubberized paper towel roll sucks so bad; I had a hard time taking pictures of it.  The illumination broke, the reticle is canted, and the glass is speckled with toenail grit from the floor of a low budget Chinese factory.  The glare off the ocular requires you to wear sunglasses. It never made it back inside the house.  It's 20 something feet into the treeline.  Hit an oak and careened off into a hemlock.  It will probably stay there unless it offends the wildlife and gets thrown back through my kitchen window.  Priced at $75 or something....it's the perfect scope for a pellet rifle or spitball straw.  Compared to the SS, this scope should be crushed, melted, and recycled into Butler Creek flip up scope covers.
 
Leatherwood CMR:


Weight (oz):16.5
Length (in):10.2
Eye Relief (in):3
Field of View @ 100yds (ft):94.8 - 26.2
Exit Pupil (mm):11.1 - 6
MOA:1/2
Lens Coating: Diamond TuFF14
Warranty: Limited Lifetime
 
I don’t feel like writing too much on this one.  The value is primarily with its cost.  It’s made in China.  Unmistakably feels less quality compared to some of the other optics in the line up.  Most of my hesitation lies with the fit and finish.  Pretty sure it wouldn’t take much to mar the coating on this optic.  The reticle is overly complicated in my opinion. The illumination is green and isn’t consistently bright across the horseshoe.  Not daytime visible.  Worth it?  For an affordable entry level “tactical” scope under $300? Absolutely. As for how the CMR compares to the SS, it really doesn’t on any level.  It’s a fraction of the SS at a fraction of the price.  Still, I think the CMR has its place although for the money I’d probably want a reputable traditional scope over a budget tactical option. That’s just me though.  YMMV.
 
Trijicon Accupoint TR24-3G:


Magnification  1x-4x
Objective Size  24
Bullet Drop Compensator No
Length (In) 10.3
Weight (oz) 14.4
Illumination Source Fiber Optics & Tritium
Reticle Pattern German #4 Crosshair
Day Reticle Color Green
Night Reticle Color Green
Eye Relief 3.2
Exit Pupil 17.5 to 5.1
Field of View @ 100 yards (ft) 97.5 to 24.2
Adjustment @ 100 yards (clicks/in) 4
Tube Size 30mm
 
Who doesn’t have some love for the Accupoint?  It’s a great scope, great glass, with great incorporation of fiber optics to boast constant illumination regardless of ambient light.  I will say that should one want a TR24, the triangle version is the only way to roll.  At 1X, where reticle design matters most…the TR24’s primary advantage is its fiber optic.  Otherwise, the scope has no substantial mojo over other scopes on the market.  The triangle, mind you, is truly an incredible option for daytime shooting below 200/300 yards.  Some use it well out to 400.  Beyond point blank range, the reticle usefulness nosedives unless you know the range and want to mess with the turrets.  Some do some don’t.  Once the night falls, I don’t think the tritium does much for you outside of adding some contrast to the reticle.  Once you touch off a weapon light – the reticle goes black.  Manual illumination matters and Trijicon doesn’t employ the technology.  Whereas the TR24 is certainly daytime savvy, the SS is night and daytime savvy.  Where its daylight illumination level (setting #11) may not gleam like the Accupoint, the black reticle jumps right out and contrasts extremely well.  At night, the SS is the obvious choice.  Compared to the TR24, the SS has equal or better glass.  The TR24 is a great choice, but I think the SS is a better option in a general 1X-4X.  It’s simply more versatile.  On an AR15, I feel the TR24 isn’t the 24/7 optic everyone wants it to be.  I feel the SS is.  No disrespect to the Accupoint though.  I love that optic.  I have a 3-9 on my deer rifle.  That fiber optic reticle is such a bonus for a deer hunter.
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