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Anyone care to rate pure resolution in rifle scopes from priciest to mid-range? Who has the best, then who has the best dollar value? Steve
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I believe the best dollar value in optics is the Super Sniper line of scopes they cover a range from $300 to about $1500 but cut out the middle man so you save.  Really if you have a price range and particular use in mind I can do a better job recommending scopes for you to consider.  There are other features that are also important depending on how one will use the scope so resolution is not always the only deciding factor if it was all scopes would be Swarovski or Zeiss.
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Try looking thru scopes. Each person see things different. Only you can tell what is best to your eyes..
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schmidt and bender is near if not at the top....imo
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I have a bunch of mid range $300 to $400 scopes.
 
My favorites are: 3-9X40 Zeiss Conquest (2 from sample list @ $350 each 6-7 years ago), 6-20X40 Weaver Grand Slam (13 YO), 12X40 Leupold FXIII (sample list)
 
Going upwards to $700 Leupold 4.5-14X40, 30mm M4 (its short, light, and optically superior to most and gets transfered from varmint rifle to varmint rifle)
 
The Weaver 6-20X40 GS gets the most use and shows it with evidence of really hard constant use but still performs more than adequately. Generally I like short light scopes and value mechanical relability, durablity and accurate repeatable adjustments more than stellar optical performance.
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Which version of the Leupold 4.5-14X40 is it you put above the Zeiss for Resolution. St Ducks? Bro. Steve asked about Resolution and you are deciding your list on other quality's. ( I like short light scopes and value mechanical reliability, durablity and accurate repeatable adjustments more than stellar optical performance.) Optical performance being last. This proves my point that only the person making the evaluation can decide where each scope will fall in line.
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For me it would depend on what I'm using it for......targets or hunting.  Then I'd decide from there what's most important.  
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The mid range scopes that I have listed as favorites have superior resolution and are popular being produced in large quantities for many years. This would indicate that other shooters have evaluated these scopes favorably considering resolution among other attributes including price; this would support my use of the term "favorites" in any resolution evaluation. 
As noted I listed scopes as "favorites" and cannot see how the Leupold 4.5-14 M4 was "put above the Zeiss for Resolution". This Leupold scope was identified as costing about $700 not superior to the now $500 Zeiss 3-9X40 Conquest.
Resolution evaluations for optics are routinely made in the process of obtaining eye glass prescriptions using a variety of methods including charts hanging on walls (read the lowest line).  In this case the examiner is making the evaluation using extremely high quality, universally approved optical equipment like Zeiss. The point being that scopes having poor glass, if objectively evaluated, will not be rated highly by anyone for resolution.
 
My use of "stellar optical performance" was used to quantify the degree of optical performance desired and merely intended to show that other attributes of scope performance should be considered with no intent to rate optical performance last.
 
Ending with "short and light" I think that these attributes would indicate a more sophisticated optical system as a result of superior design including glass quality, coatings, lens shapes, and mechanics. I like the short, light, accurate, and durable Leupold 4.5-14X40 M4, 30mm for those reasons.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Stevey Ducks Stevey Ducks wrote:

The mid range scopes that I have listed as favorites have superior resolution and are popular being produced in large quantities for many years. This would indicate that other shooters have evaluated these scopes favorably considering resolution among other attributes including price; this would support my use of the term "favorites" in any resolution evaluation. 
 


I disagree that if it is popular it must be good. The vast majority of shooters I have talked with have very little knowledge when it comes to optics.


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In the long haul (more than 4 years) good is popular. Unworthy or irresolute items will eventually be discontinued because they are not liked. Optical knowlege is not needed to determine if you like a scope and how well you can see targets with it (why is it fogged up, has small parts bouncing around inside, fuzzy, and customer service cannot be found).
 
Fortunately, shooters are able to resolve in their minds, the issues that cause grief,uncertainty and eventually destruction.
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I think Stevey D made a pretty good argument in the debate. Not that I agree or disagree with it, it does have some merit.
I have a friend, that if he is in the market for a scope, will look at Leupold first, second, and sometimes last. Not because they are the best in any catagory, but because he can depend on their guarantee, and he knows they will perform to HIS satisfaction. He knows there are better scopes, but doesn't want to spend the time or risk the money on a brand he doesn't know. I think there are a lot of people who feel this way, and that is why some brands have such a following, and this kind of muddies the waters in the mid-range debate.
While I think at the top end of the resolution debate, Zeiss, Swaro, and S&B are the leaders, when you get into anything less than them, then the fight is on. What about brands like U.S. Optics, Night Force, Premier, and a few others? Are they mid-range, top end, or in between? I think the OP posed a question that either can't be answered, or not without a lot of argument, until you get to the top end of scopes; and I'm not sure about that.
I like top end scopes, but can't afford them. I can afford mid-range scopes, but look for better value, so I start with th SS line from SWFA. If they don't make what I'm looking for, then I get a headache looking for that good value (yeah, I got a IOR Valdada).
 
 
 
Edited because the worlds worst speller was picking on me.


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Stevey I was not calling out the Leupold. I just wanted to know which model you had. Leupold has made some long long awaited strides to return to being competitive. My last 3 Leupold were VX-IIIs. I found  the resolution lacking. The newer Leupold scopes are said to be much improved. Neither of the 2 4.5-14s I have left sit on a primary varmint rifle.
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