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I have replaced the X-Mark Pro trigger with a Timney trigger. The problem I have is this:
The Timney trigger is without safety and bolt catch. It appears as though the safety and bolt catch from the X Pro cannot be taken off and fitted to the Timney trigger.
Any ideas or comments out there.
 
* PLEASE NOTE: REMINGTON FACTORY SAFETIES and bolt stop releases on X Mark Pro triggers cannot be used on after-market triggers *
 
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Was wondering why you just didn't adjust the X-Mark trigger?  I was under the impression they are a wonderful trigger.
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

Was wondering why you just didn't adjust the X-Mark trigger?  I was under the impression they are a wonderful trigger.
 
+2 They are very good when done right.
 
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I adjusted the three set screws according to the prescibed manner, with all settings as finely as possible, but the pull was still that of a sledgehammer.
I did the same with the Timney trigger, and you just have to blow on the trigger and it goes off. There is no comparison between the two.
The X-Mark is a wonderfull strong design etc, but should never have been fitted to a varmint rifle.
See other triggers available

L-1

General purpose hunting. 1.5 lbs. to 4 lbs. Factory adjusted to break at 2.3lbs.
LV-1
Live varmint hunting. 8 oz. to 1.5 lbs. Factory adjusted to break at 10 to 12 oz.
ERV-3
Excellent varmint / target trigger. 4 oz. to 1.25 lbs. Factory adjusted to break at 5 to 7 oz.
L-3
Target trigger. 2 oz. to 6 oz. factory adjusted to break at 2 oz.


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Take the trigger group completely apart clean it with degreaser and polish everything in it then lightly oil it and put it all back together. When it’s all back together. Do the sear first. Turn it until the sear drops then back it up 1/8th of a turn. rack the bolt back and forth a few time to make sure the sear doesn’t drop. Then get all the over travel out of it and rack it again .Then do the poundage. You can run it pretty low. I stop at 3 pound because I do mostly customers and they aren’t the brightest bulbs in the box at times.

 

 The xmark is a smooth consentient trigger but it dose take a little more to get right with no over travel or creep.

 

 
 Do at owne risk.
 
Pm me if you have any questions.
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Wouter, the safety and bolt stop button was changed on the new X Mark Pro trigger vs. the previous generation Remington trigger.  The Timney you have is compatible with the parts from the old trigger design.
 
I'm surprised that you weren't able to get a good trigger pull with your trigger.  Since it is fully adjustable, you should have no problem getting a good trigger pull, provided you adjust it correctly and in the right order.  It won't get as light as the Timney, but you should have no problems getting a decent 2.5 lb. pull with the X Mark Pro. 
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The X-Mark trigger adjust differently from the old Remington 700 trigger and can be damaged if done improperly.  I'm not saying you did anything wrong 8-shots.  I'm only telling you what the factory and my gunsmith told me. 

I experienced this with a brand new 700 when the trigger was new on the market.  My 'authorized' Remington gunsmith permanently damaged the trigger.  He contacted the factory and was sent a new replacement trigger with revised adjustment instructions.  That's been over a year ago and I'd think most all gunsmiths are aware of the new adjustment procedure.

For those who aren't aware of the differences the X-Mark trigger has a smooth face:



The old trigger has vertical ribbing:




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how did the trigger get damaged??
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When I got it back from the gunsmith I took it to the range.  While shooting, it began to progressively have a harder trigger pull.  The safety was also extremely hard to operate.  I called the gunsmith and he told me to send it back to them. 

I also called Remington and they seemed to immediately recognize the problem.  They said the obvious possibility of a loose adjustment screw was not the problem.  Although they didn't go into detail they did tell me they were aware that some of their service centers had not been notified of the new adjustment procedures. 

So all I know is they replaced it no questions asked and it's been a very nice trigger since then.  But it's not a varmint trigger and Jewell seems to be the favorite for that purpose.


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hmm thats intresting when i adjusted my xmarkpro i did it just like you would any other m700 trigger and i didnt have any trouble with it, and im no smith
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I'm not gunsmith either - just relaying what I was told.  Maybe the rep I talked to was incorrect?  Found these:
"Although this trigger looks the same (superficially), it is a complete redesign".
"The safety blocks both the sear and the trigger, and if it’s still too heavy for you it can be adjusted lighter by any authorized Remington repair center".
http://fieldandstream.blogs.com/gunnut/2006/10/get_trigger_hap.html

"The newer version of the Remington trigger features a safety pivot link that automatically pushes the safety under the sear. This prevents the sear from disengaging the firing pin until the trigger is pulled. When the trigger is released, the safety link returns to its support position, blocking both the sear and trigger. Though the new trigger does resemble the old one externally, the new system is called the X-Mark Pro[TM]."
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-33435691_ITM

It sounds like the external adjustments screws are similar but the internal relationship of the safety and sear have been changed. 
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