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looking at a remy, spr line of side by side 12 guage. Made in russia, sells for

350.00.  anybody seen one or shot one.? hows the fit and finish.? has screw in chokes also.

 

   time for some fun,need a break.  clays are great entertainment.!!

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30, there is a lot of info here

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=83&sid=9 fa1a221c0eab1d404029429b5c8731d

I've seen some tests around in various magazines and they have been generally positive. For $350 you get a decent working gun. The fit and finish are what you would expect for the money. Not the best, not flush in all areas and checkering is modest.

30, let us know if this is your limit as there are other options for approximately $700-800 that will get you into a pretty nice gun.

Any entry level side by side will make you start saving for a AyA or a Rizzini. Doubles handle sooo sweet.

 

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go all out and pick up a ruger gold label
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One of my hunting partners has a Gold Label and it is a wand. I don't know why they bothered with 3" chambers, though. It would be brutal.

It sounds like production is ramping up for them again and the price is going up with the reintroduction. I am seeing just under $2000 this time around. When they first came out they were going for $1600.

This is still quite a bit more than $350. For a bit more than this I would consider the CZ Bobwhite, Ringneck or a DeHaan. The DeHaans are made by Huglu, the same Turkish manufacturer that makes the CZ's and the Kimber Valiers. A boxlock SxS can be had in the $600 range and they handle real well. I will have the opportunity to hunt with one in a few weeks.

30, if I get the chance I will get out and swing a Remington/Bakail next week. I find that even with the budget SxS' you get very good handling on upland game compared to a pump or auto.

 

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the cz's are a much better gun for a little bit more, as most ss done't have ejectors, the angle at which they open and present the cases for finger extraction should be as much as possible. vary rarely will the pull weight on both hammers be the same in this level of guns, but as they are used in hunting it doesn't matter, usually only in target types is this an over riding factor. increases in price only result in engraving and wood enhancements up to investment grade which are held for resale, investment by some "gun house" for security purposes. The spr is an outstanding value, but I think you will have so much fun ,you"ll be looking to upgrade a bit before to long.
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DC has a good point. What is nice about a box lock is that they generally come with a single trigger, mechanical or inertia. The pull doesn't change and it does not detract from the handling.

There is debate as to pistol grip versus a straight, English, grip in a SxS. I subscribe to this, though; a pistol grip is fine with a box lock single trigger. A sidelock with double triggers begs for a straight grip. I know from experience that you do shift your grip when going from one trigger to the other and the straight grip is smoother for this. When a grouse explodes in front of you either is quick, double or single trigger. Another advantage of double triggers is that if you are choked modified and I.C., for example, and bird flushes at 25 yards you can use the rear trigger to pull the modified barrel first. With the single trigger, on most guns, you select which barrel to fire first by selection with the safety switch. When a bird flushes you do not have the time to snick it over before disengaging it. 

Regarding ejectors, most of these guns have them or are an option. I would suggest them in a field gun. For target, extractors only are fine, who likes to pick up spent shells. For birds, though, quick reloads in a double are frequent encounters. Not having to pull out spent cases to reload is definitely faster and ejectors are important.

 

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I have the Baikal sxs with screw in chokes and a selective triggers, bought for 300, just as Remington was beginning to sell their version.  I own three very good quality O/Us, not in the mega stratosphere as DC, but nonetheless, I am sure they will shoot just as well and last just as long.  I have been around shotguns quite awhile and the Baikal is put together much better than I expected, better than the Stoeger.  Wood to metal fit was suprisingly good as is the metal to metal fit.  Only minor gaps.  I  refinished the stock into a semi-gloss and it revealed wood grain that is really gorgeous.  I worked some of the wood to make the fit look more uniform.  I did nothing to the metal, as I have experience, but using my dad's workshop and tools and I just do not have the equipment at my house.  For the money it will provide alot of fun, but it will fuel your desire to upgrade.  Do not worry about ejectors, this that an the other.  Just go shoot and learn to reload your own shells.
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i have shouldered a gold label and the english style forearm wasnt for me there wasnt hardly anything there to hang on to, the baikal arent to bad, the one i looked at was stiff to break open but i wondered if that was because it was new, and needed to be used a bit or if its really that stiff.
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P, with the splinter style forend you can wrap your hand around the barrels. I will be shooting the Gold Label real soon and can't wait. It swings real nice. The splinter looks better to me and with some of the trim upland guns is the only way to go, IMO. I much prefer the splinter but the beavertail is okay on the waterfowl guns.
I'm breaking out one of my oldies for fowling this year that has a splinter forend and double triggers. Thanks to my Widgeon parka it shouldn't hurt too bad. The problem with all these guns is they are expensive too feed non-tox to. The newer guns like the Remington eat everything.

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 the gold label i checked out shouldered nicely and swung nice but i still prefer the browning citori, i like having a forend with some meat on it
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Most of my doubles are stack barrels and I carry them a lot. I'm in a minority, most of my buddies have Citori's and Beretta's but I have a small collection of Winchester 101's. A matched pair of Pidgeon Grade XTR's I have really are my go to bird guns. The 12 for pheasant and the 20 for grouse and woodcock.

Still, the SxS is too nice in the woods. I can't describe what I like about them other than to say they shoulder nicer and swing so sweet.

 

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nothing wrong with a 101 either, to be honest i prefer a semi auto in a shot gun the whole pump action screws with me. so a browning gold or a a remington sp-10 would be great, but i dont have time to hunt ducks geese grouse etc so i sold my shotgun.
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I would rather be afield with my bird and fowl guns and my bird dog any day of the week.

Until I carry a rifle that is.

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 hey congrats on the master title!!!        

 

 

i love big game hunting with a rifle i wish i could do it year round

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Thanks a lot...................some master I am, though, two teenage daughters and a wife.

Something about having my rifles in the field feels real good.

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i would feel better for me if the sarge didnt hate me being there she doesnt understand
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Well fellas, I grew up shooting the sidexside. Double triggers and all, it feels natural to me. Old foxes, Iver Johnson etc. Had a 20ga. single for rabbits, it was so loose

it ejected the shell automatically after each round.!!  Give me a moment, its bringing

back a good laugh.......................  The shotgun is purely utility to me,so I wont put any big money into them. I know the "clay" thing should prompt me to do more money, we will see.?  This always changes when your looking at a full rack of them in the shop though.  I just get all "weak in the knees" over the smell of new guns.!!

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As tac points out splinters forends are used with the thumb over the top of the barrel to control recoil. while beavertails are usually "feathered" in the palm. english straight stocks, besides being faster, are certainly less hard on the shooting hand by pulling the knuckles straight back so the one just behind the trigger guard doens't get smacked as much, but are usually to short for us long armed guys. The lower profile of the ss makes the gun come straight and as previously mentioned, 3" in these are something else. Even if just "utility" it is amazing how "personal" shotguns are as opposed to other fireams.
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like pistols i didnt grow up around scatter guns so i am piss poor handling either or, it is kinda fun to shoot hornet's nests and potatoes with a scatter gun though.
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Dale, a ss in 3" "IS" personal aint it.?  Just one trigger at a time.!! Ya know.!!
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3" 20 is too personal for me anymore.
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I agree with that, Dale. A  6 1/2 lb. Gold Label, 3" #4's would be obnoxious. Damn, even 2 3/4' Bismuth out of my older 12 doubles hurts. I would rather shoot my 9 lb. .375 H&H any day.

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i know i shot a mosberg marine magnum, with the sawed off barrel one time it had buck shot in it and i thought f**k that sh*t i aint doing that again kickin mule is what that was!
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i know i shot a mosberg marine magnum, with the sawed off barrel one time it had buck shot in it and i thought f**k that sh*t i aint doing that again kickin mule is what that was!

Come on pyro6999, you know it was nothing but a .22lr.

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i would have rather taken a shot from your .340 wby i think that was not near enough gun for that round.
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