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hey everyone...

 

im looking to by a rifle in a .308 that will shoot 1000 yards..

i was looking at the savage 10fp with the mcmillan stock and a heavy 26 inch barrel

the other rifle i was looking at was the remington 700p with the hp stock and a heavy 26 inch barrel

i was wondering what u guys thought of each. the pros and cons of both of them.

 

hope to hear alot on this one...

thanks guys

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Tough choice!!

Remington gets my vote, but the Savages are wicked accurate too. 

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Both will do service. 

 

The remington is more likely to put more 1st shots on target at point of aim, will be somewhat easier to clean, and has, at least for the time being, the edge on readily available aftermarket stuff  to bolt on.

 

Savage has the edge in the number of good barrel makers who will sell a pre-chambered quality barrel that the rifle owner can safely install at home with minimal tooling.

 

Both will greatly benefit from Tubbs Final Finish.

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I am not much of an authority, but I have not had good luck with Remingtons, so my vote goes for a Savage. 

Remington 700, to me, is a great platform to build a gun on.  The few that I've run into needed mods to shoot well.

Savages shoot well out of the box and I much prefer Accutrigger to Remmy's factory trigger.  Also, the ability to switch barrels without a lathe or a reamer is important for me.

Remington actions tend to be smoother than the Savage, but if that is important for you, perhaps you should look at Tikka T3 Tactical anyway.

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Mike McDonald - Have you used the Tubb's treatment on new barrels, or only on ones with a little wear on them?  I've read the info on his website and was just wondering what your experience has been.
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I've used them on new barrels, and on used guns I get that seem to foul easily.

Normally an accuracy improvement is noted, and cleaning becomes easier.

The only time I've seen a negative result is a friends well worn PSS, multiple thousand rounds already shot.  Final finish finished off what little was left of the throat.

 

I've recently started using Tubbs TMS for break in of custom barrels and am pleased with the results.

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Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

I've used them on new barrels, and on used guns I get that seem to foul easily.

Normally an accuracy improvement is noted, and cleaning becomes easier.

The only time I've seen a negative result is a friends well worn PSS, multiple thousand rounds already shot.  Final finish finished off what little was left of the throat.

 

I've recently started using Tubbs TMS for break in of custom barrels and am pleased with the results.


  I've used it only on a Yugoslavian M48A  in 8x57 Mauser. This rifle had a lightly corroded, very rough bore that fouled badly and cleaned hard. The Tubb fire-lapping kit was easy to use, and gave great results. I won't claim an accuracy improvement, as I never documented it's performance with anything other than the original open sights. It SEEMS to shoot tighter groups now, and it looks brighter and cleans up very easily now. I'm glad I did it.

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 To get back to the original poster's main question, I have to lean toward Koshkin on this one. Cheaptrick and Mike make good cases for the Remington, and I have owned about a half a dozen over the years, to great satisfaction. They were all made in the Sixties and Seventies and Eighties. The newer ones, ( mid-to -late 90s manufacture), I've seen are kind of icky. Haven't closely examined a recent manufacture 700 though.The Savages are now great and seem to keep getting better all the time. I hear nothing but good reports on the Accutrigger as well.

 

  Edited to clarify; my comments regarding the Remingtons is based on my impression of the sporters seen at the local ranges. I don't know if I would find the tactical rigs as lacking...



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A buddy of mine has the savage with the synthetic stock and says its the most accurate gun he owns, then again he doesnt own a 700.  i was gonna get a savage 308 a few weeks ago but I couldnt find anyone that could get me one for two months with either a hs of macmillan stock so i caved and got the 700. in hind sight im glad i did because of parts availability.  if you ever plan on modifying it you will probably save yourself some headaches in the future if you go with the remington.
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Granted, this is a case of "it's the singer, not the song", but it shows accuracy potential of the Savage.

 

http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=5609&KW=sa vage+rifle+mike+mcdonald

 

Wish I could shoot like that.........

 

 



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Another 308 that is available with a variaty of stocks that seems to shoot very well is the Howa 1500 imported by Legacy sports , many weight barrels most are a 1 in 12 twist.

 

http://www.legacysports.com/products/howa/index.html

 

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And the trigger that comes on the Howa (new ones ) is not adjustable it is at 5+ lb . Drop in a timmy adjustable trigger and you are good to go I bought one with the Knoxx axiom stock.

 

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I have a Savage 10FP LE, and I have a remington 700 CDL, but I don't have the 700p. But I think the only differnce between the 700CDL and the 700P is the barrel, finish, stock, and possibly the tigger group, I'm not sure about the trigger though. While precision is about the same, the quality of the parts is greater on the remington. The only real advanteges that Savages design has over remington are that getting an oversize bolt handle is only a matter of changing out a part, and the factory trigger group is better on the Savage, but I ended up replacing mine anyway. Also note that you can buy a much greater array of accesories for a 700...
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Hey, Anthonys back!!

 

Hi, Bro!!

 

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I just got the Rem 700 SS 5R Milspec Friday.  My first 3 shot group at 100 yards I could cover with the back of a .308 shell.  Needless to say, I liked it.  What I didn't like was the trigger.  I got the new Xmark Pro trigger.  Remmy's website said that it is 45% less trigger pull than their old trigger.  I guess people used to hook their tractors up to the trigger and fire away.  I'm taking it to the shop tomorrow to get looked at, but the performance so far (50 rounds) is quite nice.
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I thought that was to be an owner adjustable trigger like the Savage, was there nothing in the manuel on how to?

That sound like a great group for a new gun & barrel what kind of optics are you useing.

 

Good shooting

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I guess the lawyers got the best of them, because it says 100% gunsmith adjustable trigger.  From what I've read other places, the only thing that makes it "gunsmith" worthy is that they put some "sealant" on the screw head to deter the do-it-yourselfer.  I could f#$% up a two-car funeral, so I will just let someone who I can "take it back to" work with it.  I am using a Leupold Mk 4 3.5-10x40 with the M3 turrets.  Great glass, but the turrets seem a little mushy, but work very well.    I'll let you know about the trigger after I have adjusted it. 
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