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http://r7l.7.forumer.com/index.php

 

Now......This link ain't for everybody.

All you Remmy "haters" just keep moving along....Nothing to see here. 

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Lets get that web site kicked up. Start posting!

Good site, just seems kinda slow... 

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THAT SITE HAS SOME GOOD STUFF ON IT.
I LIKE IT.
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Now if someone would just come up with a precision AR10 forum...............................
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Thank's for putting the link on ,i'll return the favour.
This isn't a bad forum too,so do i get discount if i buy a scope from SWFA.

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Originally posted by ade! ade! wrote:

Thank's for putting the link on ,i'll return the favour.
This isn't a bad forum too,so do i get discount if i buy a scope from SWFA.

 

Hello, Sir!

 

Glad your here.

 

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Cheaptrick,

 

 

Pretty cool site. & look at you, TEAM SWFA.

 

Joe

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Originally posted by dilligaf dilligaf wrote:

Cheaptrick,

 

 

Pretty cool site. & look at you, TEAM SWFA.

 

Joe

 

Thanks Brother.

I miss seeing you and Mithran around like we did it back in the day.

Your commentary was and is ALWAYS appreciated, my friend.  

 

Hell, to get Mithran to come and actually post, I have to pay people to start ACOG threads... 

Mentioning ACOGS around here is like rubbing a lamp and watching a Mithran Genie jump out.

 

 

As far as the SWFA Team Member title, I'm honored to have it.

As you know, SWFA is GOOD people.

My wife say's Optics Talk is the only place she knows that I can run my mouth and actually get rewarded for it.........

 

How's "bidness"??

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Cheaptrick,

 

Been a while brother, how are you? Hows you warden doing?  I need to start coming around more often. I still talk to Chris and Brady every now and again. Normally its when I am ordering some optics or other stuff.

 

Business is good brother. I have both of my older boys working for me after school. We do a lot of stocks for MCS so that keeps them busy. Havent even shot much lately. Got to go out the day after christmas and pop a few rounds. I gave my older boys each a rifle for Christmas soooo being the good dad that I am, I HAD to take them out the day after Christmas.

 

I have decided to do a couple of the sniper shoots this year. I sold it to the warden as a great way to advertise our camo. So I had GAP build me another 300WM. Moon is building it and brother this thing is bad to the bone. It makes my old one look like it came from Walmart.

 

We got a little lull (6 - 8 hr days are a lull) while everyone is at SHOT. Heck, I even got around to doing one of my own guns!!!!!!! If I remember right, your a Glock guy. Here is what I'm carrying most of the time right now. Yea, I know, (this isnt the twilight zone) me the die hard 1911 guy with a Glock.

 

I picked this up a while back for CCW. It hadnt been fired much but had seen a lot of holster time. (Most of the finish on the slide was worn off) so I refinished it CeraKote dark earth on the slide/frame and graphite black on the controls and barrel. Shoots ok but the trigger sucks. mabey I will get around to fixing it this week

 

 

 

Gotta go, warden just said chow is served.

 

Joe

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Nicely done!

 

Here's my old Faithful.

G17 Gen II in a Comp-Tac paddle holster

 

 

I have thought of sending her your way to get a "make over" more than once.

I'll probably do that later this year.  

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Joe, just wanted to tell you how proud we here at Optics Talk are of you.

Everybody that I've seen online that had you do work for them has been thrilled.

 

Anybody out there reading this thread that's considering having their firearms "made over" this year, would be well served sending them to Joe. 

 

Your one of this forum's very own, Joe, and we wish you the best in your endeavors, my friend. 

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Thanks bro.

 

The really cool thing about that Glock is I used the thermal coating on the frame. I have spoken to Glock & NIC trying to figure out a way to heat these frames with out damaging them. NIC told me the lowest temp their coating will cure at and I figured this was as good astime as any to try it out. Now I just need to abuse the heck out of it & if it holds up well I will offer this to our customers.

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Who started the story that 722/21/25/00 extractors are NG. I keep seeing all this hoopla about spending big bucks to install a SAKO extractor (to give the gas away to get in your face). Due to inept handloading I have pulled chunks of rims off 222s and 300 H&Hs in 722/21s and those extractors are still working fine. So what's the deal another urban legend or have their been some real side by side tests to see which system fails first when loads are too hot?
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Old Faithfuls in Alessi Leather, G-20 and 19

 

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Hmmm... it's called Remington thread but all I see are Glocks. The extractor question is about Remington... guess nobody knows?
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Originally posted by rootmanslim rootmanslim wrote:

Hmmm... it's called Remington thread but all I see are Glocks. The extractor question is about Remington... guess nobody knows?

Your right, so let's get back on track. The Glock has an external extractor and none of mine has ever failed. The internal extractors on my M700's have not failed either. If you look at the length of curve on the Remy extractor you can see that it actually gives more coverage than many claw extractors. My M98 has less............

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So why the "change to SAKO" hype?
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It's an answer to a non-existent problem. It's kind of like the HK 416 .
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Thanks. As a 722/721/700 lover I thought so but..... I may slip though, that new TC ICON sure looks like a well thought out rifle (as have been all their guns). Catalogs available 2/07 rifle 8/07 for $800.
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Originally posted by rootmanslim rootmanslim wrote:

So why the "change to SAKO" hype?

 

Here's the deal.  The Sako extractor modifications in Remmy bolts started when folks began converting Remington actions with .308 case bolt heads over to the PPC (from .220 Russian brass) cases, which has approx 0.030" smaller case head dia than the .308 family cases.  The Sako extractor works with the smaller dia rim without having to bush the bolt face c-bore where the Rem didn't.  The Sako extractor also works well when opening up the Rem bolt face to accept a larger case dia cartridge.

 

Then, since the conversion is fairly easy and inexpensive to do, people who had broken factory Rem extractors switched to the Sako since the Sako is thicker and not as brittle.  Admittedly, such extractor failures are very rare, but it does happen.  I've personally had 3 Rem extractors fail.  I used to be a fan of the Sako extractor conversion, but I've since changed my views on it.  The Remington action's main safety feature in the event of case rupture / case head separation is the enclosed bolt face and counterbored barrel shank to accept the bolt face.  It eliminated anywhere for potential brass schrapnel and gas to go in the event of case failure, unlike CRF/long extractor bolt heads.  I have heard from a man that lives not too far from me that has a piece of a Sako extractor lodged in his head because he had a case head separation, which blew the extractor out the right bolt lug race.  If you look at a modified Rem bolt in the closed position, from the shooter's viewpoint, a Sako extractor sits in the 5:00 position, just below the lug race.  So, it's possible that pieces of the extractor and schrapnel could exit the bolt race in the event of case failure.

 

Imagine if a gunsmith performed the modification and the above happened, injuring or killing someone.  All a sharp attorney would have to do is point out that the gunsmith knowingly modified the main safety feature of the action, which is known to be arguably one of the safest in the event of case failure.  And, he would win.  It is for this reason -- liability and safety concerns -- that some gunsmiths who used to do the installation won't any more.

 

The Sako A-series 2-lug action had a guide rail that blocked the right bolt race opening, eliminating this issue.  The newer 3-lug Sako 75/85 traps the extractor between lugs and away from lug races so it has nowhere to go in the event of case failure.  The same is true for other 3 lug / Sako extractor actions like the Coopers.

 

Now, having said that, there are several 2-lug actions directly from the factory that have essentially the same design as a Sako extractor - modified Remington.  The Howa 1500 / Wby Vanguard has essentially the same config, except they use a longer M16 type extractor held in place with a cross pin.  In the event of case failure, bleeding off tons of pressure, it's a good chance that extractor would nevertheless be broken into little pieces and exit the right lug race.  The Tikka T3 and 695 before it use the exact same extractor setup as the modified Remington -- 2 lugs and an unbaffled right bolt race.  The same is true for a whole host of custom rifles built around Remington 700 actions from several major custom gunsmiths.  The Borden Alpine and Stiller Predator custom drop-in Rem replacement actions come with Sako extractors as an option.

 

Even though the modification does result in a LESS safe action than it originally was, the question is, is it UNsafe?  That's certainly debatable.  Under most conditions and sensible handloading practices, it won't be a problem, but there's always that chance.  One thing seems certain -- if the Sako extractor - modified Remington is unsafe, then so is several other actions commonly available that are of identical design straight from the factory.

 

 

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