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I have decided to approach Remington with the accuracy problems I am experiencing with my rifle. To date their local dealership has been helpfull in so far as they are prepared to have their gunsmith exaine the rifle for headspace, chamber alighnment etc and offering to send the rifle back to Remington USA. I say no way - I battled my backside off to get the rifle in my grubby paws, ain't going nowhere where I cannot see it.
Remington USA has replied very promptly to my first e-mail and requested more information. Will see where this leads to.
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Even though this sucks it sounds like their trying to back up their product and to work with you. All my hunting bolt actions are Remington so I'm curious to see what happens, please keep us updated.

Good luck!!!


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Yes Sir! I'd be very interested to know their position on those issues. But be prepared to have your G-Smith do a detailed diagram of the specs. In fact you might start there and explain that shipping it to them is not a good option. And then ask them to provide instructions to your G-Smith what details they want. Its a shame that its such a hassel getting your rifles in and out of country. If Rem determines that the chamber alignment is outside of their "quality tolerance" I'm sure they'd want to replace it. Ofcourse they may have some form of fast track in getting it to and from. Wink Might as well be optimistic! Please keep us informed.
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What would it take to get a name USA barrel into your hands?  If you got the barrel is there somebody there who could get it installed for you?
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

What would it take to get a name USA barrel into your hands?  If you got the barrel is there somebody there who could get it installed for you?
 
Replacing a barrel is not such a big issue any more. Most of the earlier problems (legal paperwork with the police) has been resolved since the change in our laws.
 
However I think the problem lies with the boltface and chamber cut rather then the barrel. So I will attend to this first. Being a 26 inch barrel I can cut a inch or so off the rear without a problem.
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8shots I want to wish you good luck with this. I know it's a bad deal but hopefully remington will take care of you. Keep us update and good luck.
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Best wishes, 8. Keep us informed, Sir.  
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Bummer 8,
Do you remember me posting about messing up my stock and how I talked with Kaitie in CS?
She did me right, you may want to call her on their 800 number. PM inbound.
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I doubt Remington will do anything.  You have got it shooting under 1 MOA haven't you?  That is all they are guaranteed for so I doubt they will do much.  

From a lot of the reading up I have done a .308 only needs 18" to 20" for a complete powder burn so you have quite a bit you could cut off.  Lots of shooters prefer 20-24" barrels over the 26" anyway. 

Good luck with what ever way you go.  I hope you get it working to your expectations.  Thunbs%20Up
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Man 8, I sure hope the best for you brother. I'm sure that all will be sorted out though.
We will keep the porch light on.
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if you do cut it down make damn sure that the re crown the barrel otherwise your accuracy will go in the toiletDown%20the%20Toilet
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

if you do cut it down make damn sure that the re crown the barrel otherwise your accuracy will go in the toiletDown%20the%20Toilet
 
If I cut the chamber end shorter, re-chamber and headspace, do I still have to re-crown?
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On the update side I have given Remington the info requested, but have had no feedback yet, but it has only been two days, so no reason for me to be concerned.
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No 8 cutting from the chamber side will not require a re-crown. It may be noted though, that there have been cases where the factory crown was far less than optimal.
Has anyone checked the crown? Beyond just looking at it I mean.
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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

if you do cut it down make damn sure that the re crown the barrel otherwise your accuracy will go in the toiletDown%20the%20Toilet
 
If I cut the chamber end shorter, re-chamber and headspace, do I still have to re-crown?
not if you cut that end no. why do you want to do that?
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

if you do cut it down make damn sure that the re crown the barrel otherwise your accuracy will go in the toiletDown%20the%20Toilet
 
If I cut the chamber end shorter, re-chamber and headspace, do I still have to re-crown?
not if you cut that end no. why do you want to do that?
 
I think we misunderstood one another. I have (or thought I did) state from the beginning that I wanted to re-cut the chamber if it is skew. That would mean cutting 1,5 inches or so of the chamber end and reaming a new chamber.
Then I recieved the advise to make sure I also re-crowned and did not understand how cutting off the opposite end would effect the crown.
Hope the mis-understanding cleared.
But thank you for your input and discussion. Much appreciated.
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unless you get somebody with a new sharp chamber reamer, you probably wont gain a whole lot.  i did forget that you mentioned cutting the chamber earlier, but i would have the crown inspected, i agree with cyborg on his point, some times that is all it takes to make a world of difference in a game of .0001's
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

unless you get somebody with a new sharp chamber reamer, you probably wont gain a whole lot.  i did forget that you mentioned cutting the chamber earlier, but i would have the crown inspected, i agree with cyborg on his point, some times that is all it takes to make a world of difference in a game of .0001's


If the chamber is not cut square like he is saying having it chopped off and re-cut could make a world of difference. 

This whole thing has just turned out to be a bummer deal, of all the people it could of happened to it had to be 8 shots in South Africa.  Whatever
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I think they mentioned some evidence of the chamber not being square - fouling building up on just one side or something like that.
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The gunsmith is waiting for a new reamer to arrive. Will be a wait of approx 3 weeks. We will then take the barrel off and check the chamber alignment. The feeling is to rather wait for the reamer. If indeed it is out of alignment he can re-cut it immediately.
I will keep you informed.
Meanwhile no word yet from Remington technical.


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since your going this far you may want to think about having the action trued up also.
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what is the difference in getting the action trued and making the barrel and and chamber straight?
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along with the chamber and barrel the bolt is worked on also, raceways get polished locking lugs get some tuning also i believe.

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Dear Shirley,
Thank you for your reply. Whilst I accept your reply and understand that a production rifle has certain accuracy limitations, I remain disappointed that a rifle sold as a varmint rifle cannot achieve at least 1/2 inch at 100 meters level of accuracy.
I will indeed take the rifle to a custom gun maker to further accurize the rifle.
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Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:52 PM
Subject: RE: Remington VSF

Mr. Le Roux,

Per your most recent e-mail it would appear that you are taking all of the proper steps in defining the maximum accuracy potential of the rifle.  Quite frequently it is a process of trial and error in determining what particular load is going to provide the best accuracy with any given rifle.  It is also well known that two particular rifles of same make and model may each perform at their optimum with different ammunition types.

This is one of the challenges and mysteries which many bench rest shooters encounter everyday, finding the magic loading recipe for their particular rifle. 

Remington takes great pride in producing a quality and accurate production rifle building to the specifications outlined by (SAAMI) Sporting Arms & Ammunition Manufacturers Institute.

Although many rifles we produce may achieve better accuracy results, the results which you reported ¾” – 1 ¼” @ 100 meters for a 308 caliber is well within our acceptable range for a production rifle.

It is possible that a custom gun maker may be able to offer some fine tuning to the rifle which may enhance the accuracy to some degree.  Unfortunately we do not have the “magic” recipe as each and every rifle has its own individual unique characteristics which may play a part determining that load which may perform best.  As noted we do not have the ability to examine the rifle first hand, so the recommendation of utilizing the services of a custom gun maker is the only suggestion I have to offer.

Shirley Conner


From: Wouter Le Roux [mailto:fafrica@telkomsa.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:17 AM
To: Conner, Shirley
Subject: Re: Remington VSF

 

Dear Shirley,

I have forwarded you the requested information on the 14/10 and have recieved no further communication from yourselves.

I do belong to the http://www.opticstalk.com/ and have discussed the problems I am experiencing with the rifle accuracy with other members. They have offered varies solutions but nothing has helped. I have now also informed them that I have contacted Remington for a possible solution.

They are keen to see how Remington would, if at all, deal with this matter.

 

Regards,

Wouter

 

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Damn Wouter, They threw back onto you. Man, I guess they are figuring "he's over seas, no harm no foul here." That sucks. there's no reason at all why handloaded ammo can't reach 1/4 moa from a varmint rifle. The best your getting is more than moa right?
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