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Does anyone in here have any knowledge about the Remington 870?
Im thinking of buying a pump gun, but im pretty lost in that area, and very much in doubt.
Just whish to have a new gun in the cabinet. I'll probarbly not be using much for hunting, more for fun and games shooting.
Others one im looking at is The Winchester 1300, and then i was presented for a very cheap Turkish Akkar Karatay.
The Akkar is half the price of the two others, but no doubt its not same quality. Again its just a for fun gun.
Let me hear your opinion.
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I have on old 870 that my dad got when he was 12.  He is 66 now.  I don't know how many thousands I have put through it and I have no idea how many he has shot.  All I know is it always works, and has always worked well.  870 is a well made shotgun that has had a ton of use of the many years it has been in production.  If you just want a simple pump at a decent price point it is one of the good options available. 

Mossberg 500 is also a decent priced pump gun that is very popular.
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I was looking at a Mossberg ( didn't get the model#) but over here they are allmost the same price as the Remington / Winchester. 
I saw the Maverick 88 a little cheaper but not worth running for.

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The 500s here are quite a bit cheaper than the 870s.  I see mossbergs on gunbroker for 300 to 400.  Basic 870s are $500ish. 
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870 I have a really old one and a new one. both perform flawlessly.
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This is a tough one for me. I love both. 

870 is a wonderful pump shot gun. No question. 

Being a lefty, I prefer the breach safety of the Mossberg 500 and I have one. My 500 has been great in all aspects. 

If you wish to enhance your shotgun, the 870 is probably better because of more aftermarket parts.      
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I think the 870 is a great gun.  I prefer the old Winchester Model 12, but the Remington works fine.  I would also rather have an Ithaca 37 than a Remington.  But, just for fun, a Remington is a good choice.  


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I have an 870, it is nothing fancy, and I would not hesitate to have it in hand were bad things coming my way.
They are well made, exceedingly reliable, and not prohibitively expensive.

I am not a huge Mossberg fan.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I am not a huge Mossberg fan.

Why's that? 
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I have put over 70,000 rounds through my 20 gauge Remington 870, and qualified distinguished expert at skeet with it.  My 12 gauge is also an 870.  Both are Wingmasters, which are the prettier versions of the 870.

I called Remington to ask if any parts might be wearing out.  They replied that I might have to replace an occasional firing pin or extractor (and I have replaced one of each) but that nothing else would wear out.

What more could you ask of a shotgun?

I've had top-drawer over/unders and automatics, and have shot a fine side-by-side.  My pick of them all for trouble-free operation, easy cleaning, and versatility is the Remington 870 with choke tubes. 

Get a version that feels good to you, works well, and that you think is pretty.  It will last you the rest of your life.

Two other tips:
1.  Once you're familiar with it and have learned how to shoot it, add a good Pachmayr Decelerator pad and have with the stock cut to the right length for you.  (In cold winters, for example, your hunting clothes can add 1/4" to your actual pull length.)

2.  Don't beat yourself to death with heavy loads.  A good 1 ounce load will handle most upland birds as far as most people can hit them.  A good 7/8 ounce load will break 25 on any skeet field. Trap shooters have also learned to use these light loads for all but the longer handicap ranges. (This would have saved a lot of older trap shooters some painful bursitis.)  Obviously, reloading is the best and cheapest way to do this.  A basic MEC reloader will do just fine.

The English developed the 12 gauge, but as I recall they only used  1 1/16 ounces of lead for most shooting. We didn't do ourselves any great favors when we increased that load to the point that 12 gauges hurt.

Ducks and geese are another matter.  You have to hit them hard with enough shot.  However, the quality of the load is more important than the weight of the shot.

Hope this helps!. 


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Fit and feel are most important with a shotgun. You should try different ones. Get the one that points closest to where you look when mounted.
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I don't own an 870, but I could disassemble and assemble one in the dark, and wouldn't hesitate to use one if I needed a shotgun. There's a reason it's been the most used shotgun by law enforcement.
That said, I shoot a trap game with some friends. There is a wide variety of shotguns used from cheap to expensive. It's the guys using the cheapest ones (Mossbergs) that win the most games.
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Mossberg's too have been used by military. Especially the 590A1's. 
I'm not humping their leg, (too much), I think the 870 is an outstanding shotgun in all regards, sans the quar location of the safety. IMHO. 

As Eddie indicated, the old Win model 12's and the Ithaca 37's are hard to beat too.  
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

It's the guys using the cheapest ones (Mossbergs) that win the most games.


The guy with one gun and knows how to use it.
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Thank you all.
I have read your comments and made my decision from your advices. I just got back from my gunpusher with a new Remington 870 lefty under my arm.
It felt really good to handle, and the reloading feels great.
Ill post a picture when i can get away with it.
Thanks again guys.
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I have been looking for a used 870 and have been hearing that some models are not as good as others. Does anyone know about this? Or is it an old wife's tail? I want an 870 to send in to Wilson Combat for their Remington Steel package but keep the longer barrel.

http://wilsoncombat.com/new/shotgun-remington-steal.asp#.VeXRxn1koQ0

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I am not a huge Mossberg fan.

Why's that? 

I had one long, long ago - and have used a few since.  They didn't feel as sturdy as an 870.  I think 870 is a steel receiver and Mossberg uses aluminum receivers.  I am not trying to start a flame war, but just always liked the feel of the 870 more, it seemed more substantial, which is a good thing with a 12-gauge shooting 00 buck.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

 It's the guys using the cheapest ones (Mossbergs) that win the most games.

Purpose becomes a big part of this conversation.   I don't shoot competitively - at least not in the traditional sense.  But I do know that the rules governing competition guns (and the circumstances of their use) differ wildly from the rules that govern my defensive-use guns.  Likewise, I treat my hunting guns different than my "life and death" guns - my life and my death, that is.

I don't recall the exact reason for the shotgun, but purpose should play a big part in the choice.
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Here's the new toy in town. WinkWinkWink


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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

 It's the guys using the cheapest ones (Mossbergs) that win the most games.

Purpose becomes a big part of this conversation.   I don't shoot competitively - at least not in the traditional sense.  But I do know that the rules governing competition guns (and the circumstances of their use) differ wildly from the rules that govern my defensive-use guns.  Likewise, I treat my hunting guns different than my "life and death" guns - my life and my death, that is.

I don't recall the exact reason for the shotgun, but purpose should play a big part in the choice.

Well the OP does want a shotgun for fun and games, and I don't think that includes life or death. However a good 870 (yes, there are some economy models that need work to be reliable) is hard to beat in the life or death category too.
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Congratulations on the new shotgun and an especial congrats on getting a Southpaw model!!!

Now for my .02 on the Rem vs Moss, etc.: I have seen 870s fail. I have used and have seen used about a dozen Mossberg 500 over the years. I have one I bought in the early '90s by my nightstand. I have never seen one fail; other than short-stroking the 835s. That is remarkable to me, because I have experienced failures with every other type of firearm I have ever used. That includes revolvers, Glocks, et al.

Oh, and, I actually prefer the Winchesters even though they're probably the least of the big three. I don't own one, though. Gotta have a tang safety. 

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Originally posted by urbaneruralite urbaneruralite wrote:

Congratulations on the new shotgun and an especial congrats on getting a Southpaw model!!!

Gotta have a tang safety. 


Concur. Great looking shotgun. Good shooting. 
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I've been using a Mossberg 930 JM Pro in 3- gun matches. The 2 hardest things for me to deal with are making sure the shells are past the shell latches when reloading, and remembering where the SAFETY is. I'm not used to a tang safety.
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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I have been looking for a used 870 and have been hearing that some models are not as good as others. Does anyone know about this? Or is it an old wife's tail? I want an 870 to send in to Wilson Combat for their Remington Steel package but keep the longer barrel.

Remington had a class action settlement on 870 barrels a number of years ago (late '80s or early '90s. I believe).  Some guys managed to blow up their barrels (possibly by getting mud or some other obstruction in them) and filed a class action lawsuit.  Remington settled this by paying out some money to each 870 owner having one of the guns at issue, and started using a stronger steel in their barrels.  The result was improved barrel strength.  This is a good thing (whether needed or not) given the current requirement to use steel shot for waterfowl.   
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....well at least the trigger in the 870 is OK.......grin
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