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I have a Rem 700 7mm mag rifle and am thinking of mounting a red dot scope like an Aimpoint for use when I go pig hunting. I currently have a 4.5-15x50 VXIII LR Leupold and it is just too much glass for shots less than 100 meters. Great scope but sometimes I wish I just got a 3x9 scope as I rarely use the higher magnification..

After my initial look, I like the Aimpoint 1x Comp C3 for it's durability and compact size. I have also looked at the Tasco Propoint 1x32mm 5 MOA Red Dot Rifle Scope PDTS132. They seem simular but the Tasco does not advertise their scope as "fogproof, waterproof or shockproof"? Any thoughts?

Is having some magnification ie. 2x or so be better than a 1x scope for this type of hunting? or should I just go with 1x. Also, would the 2 MOA or 4 MOA dot be better?
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Welcome to The OT!!

 

I like the Aimpoint M2 or ML2. The ONLY real difference between the two is the M2 is night vision compatible and the ML2 is not.

Save some coin and get the ML2 version, unless you foresee yourself hog hunting at night WITH NV gear.  

 

I can't really comment on the other Aimpoints, but sounds like you'd be better served with a 1x variety.

 

M2 or ML2 = 4 MOA dot.

M3 or ML3 = 4 or 2 MOA dot.

 

The 4 MOA dot is better for close encounters, while the 2 MOA dot is nice for longer range shots because the smaller dot doesn't obscure the target as much.

(That said, I prefer the 4 MOA dot for all shooting my scenarios out to 300 meters.)

 

The Aimpoint or M68/CCO (military designation) was and is a "minute of man" optic.

 

A Eotech is another great option.

The Eotech offers a 65 MOA "Circle of Death", with a 1 MOA center dot which some people really like, and others find "busy". It gets on target very fast.

 

BOTH optics are combat proven and are currently deployed in Iraq/Astan with all the service branches and are highly thought of through out the military.

 

Hope this helps......out.

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I prefer Eotechs, personally, to Aimpoints, but both would work well for your needs.

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Any opinions on the Tasco Pro Point 1x32 Red dot just as a comparison?
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Originally posted by Skipdevil Skipdevil wrote:

Any opinions on the Tasco Pro Point 1x32 Red dot just as a comparison?

 

No.

 

Bushnell makes a decent holo sight.

 

http://www.riflescopes.com/products/510021/bushnell_holosigh t.htm

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I ran across the Burris Extreme Tactical Sight. It looks comparable to the Aimpoint in quality and function. Any opinions?

http://www.burrisoptics.com/tactical2.html
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How about the quality between Burris and Aimpoint. The price says one thing:

Aimpoint $400+
Burris extreme tactical $200

Is the extra money worth getting the Aimpoint?
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I think you would be OK with the Burris. I have an aimpoint and have had it on several rifles. I find the 4moa dot a little large for the accuracy that I like as I find myself shooting out at 200 + yds fairly often. I have a 3.5-10 VXIII and a 4.5-14 VXIII and I like them the 4.5-14 is probably my favorite scope. I have a 1x model 7000 Aimpoint that I bought based on reasoning that two 30mm rings would hold it more securely than just one 30 mm ring. I also like the EOTech probably better than the Aimpoint  due to the 1moa dot-- dont have one currently, but I wouldnt mind picking one up at some point. I would probably like the 2 Moa dot better than the 4 Moa as it would allow me to be more precise at distance.

 

Also I would suggest you consider leaving the rig you have as is and buying a Marlin 45-70 lever action then put your dot scope on that.  Also here is another option you might like:

TR21R Trijicon 1.25-4x24 Accu-Point Rifle Scope Trijicon 1.25-4x24 Accu-Point Rifle Scope
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SWFA: $534.95

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Thanks for the insight. I really never considered that my 7mm Rem Mag may be the wrong gun for a red dot scope. It brings up a great point. What do you consider to be the bad points for using my 7mm with the red dot? Maybe I should just use my Benelli M1 with a slug barrel and the red dot sight.

That Trijicon is nice! I will check it out along with the EO Tech. Thanks.
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Not the 7 mag is so much the wrong gun for the red dot as it is the wrong gun for fast action under 100 yds in brush,  as a bolt gun with high recoil and a limit of probably 4 rounds  combined with a higher power scope it is a great gun for animals in the 200 yd plus range deer elk etc it is a distance gun fully capable of shooting 600 yds accurately and for that you have the right scope on it. The lever action 45-70 would hold  a little more ammo and fire very quickly using a large heavy bullet that will cut through brush rather than deflect off of small limbs.
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Great info. You bring up some great points about bolt guns in the brush...Thanks.

Maybe I need to get a slug barrel for my Benelli...although I do like the idea of shopping for a 45-70. How about a 30-30 for pigs....maybe too light?

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For hunting in brush is you want a large heavy slug.  The smaller and the lighter the bullet the more the risk that it will be deflected by the brush. Since both the 30-30 and the 45-70 will likely cost about the same I would rather have the 45-70.   45-70 is an incredibly flexable cartridge and will kill anything on the North American contenent, you will never be under gunned with 45-70.  The difference is well illustrated  by a story from Montana where two hunters went after deer, one with a bolt 30-06 -he was grabbed by a Grizzley the the horror of his friend with a 30-30 who emptied the gun still failing to kill the bear barely escaped with his life to tell the story. The 30-06 would have had been strong enough but the 30-30 was not.  Even ferrel hogs and russian boars can be quite dangerous .

The other  lever gun choices are 38-55 which is a fine cartridge but hard to find brass or ammo - one of the first chamberings for lever guns.  444 which has not enjoyed the same popularity as 45-70 and is not quite as powerful. 450Marlin which is a fine cartridge and is basically a belted 45-70 loaded hot. If you reload you can actually take 45-70 to the hot loads also or dial them back to reduce recoil. 45-70 was a standard U.S. Service cartridge and the old trap door guns were .45 cal loaded with 70 grains of black powder,  those guns are not  safe with hot loads. Note: grains of blackpowder is a volume measurment not a weight measurment like it is while reloading metalic rifle cartridges. I would feel quite comfortable with either 45-70 or 450 Marlin.  Most slug guns do not have the same accuracy level.

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