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I'm looking for a very skinny scope with a mil dot reticle.

 

It's not the size of the objective end that's the concern. It's not even the size of the tube.

 

It's the optical end, up near my eye.

 

Here's my situation.

 

I have a Swede Mauser that somebody nicely refinished, drilled, tapped, and turned the bolt handle down.

 

The rifle came with screws, and scope bases made to fit the receiver.

 

I've got a 16X Super Sniper with medium Warne Tactical Rings that I'm putting on a DPMS LR 308.

 

Since I don't have the DPMS in hand  yet, I hand-tightened the rings and bases onto the Swede as an experiment and discovered that the turned-down bolt handle won't quite clear the optical end of the 16X SS.

 

Even if I put Ultra High Rings on this rifle, I'm afraid the bolt wouldn't quite clear a scope with an optical end at least as big as the 16X SS.

 

I'm trying to find out what scopes with mil dot reticles are the skinniest on the optical end?

 

I think a really skinny scope on ultra high rings would clear the bolt, and allow me to put some glass on this great old Swede that's already been set up for a scope.

 

And because I know how to use the mil dot ranging formula, I really really want to stick with a mil dot reticle.

 

Thanks for any responses.

 

Roy Hill

 

 

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This is a typical problem with CZ and bolts that have a shoulder at the point of attachment. Usually thinning the shoulder or using a VXII which has a smaller rear than the vxiii will work, of course you'll have to talk leo into a reticle change.
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Thanks a lot for the rapid, knowledgable answer.

 

VXII is Vari-X II from Leupold, right?

 

Thanks again,


Roy Hill

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Just one quick question.

 

Would the Bushnell Trophy series be more skinny on the optical end?

 

Thanks,

 

Roy Hill

 

http://www.swfa.com/p-2080-bushnell-3-9x40-trophy-rifle-scop e.aspx

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Bushnell Trophy scopes actually have a pretty thick ocular lens housing (it is called ocular end, not optical end).

Sightron S2 scopes have comparatively thin ocular housings and might work for you.

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Hello, I was recently researching the same question.  The Bushnell Trophy does not have a particularly thin optical end, I've got one in 4x9x40.  The burris short mag comes with a ballistic recticle and is slender at the optical end.  Leupold's ultralights are, I think.  I believe the old Bushnell Scopecheifs were as well.  And Swift Premiers, I think.  Simmons Master Series?  Good luck.

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I would instead recomend you to take the gun to a gunsmith and correct that bolthandle.

Small oculars means small field of view, and that compared to high scopemount doesent sounds very interesting.

 

Regards Technika

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Thanks to all for the good responses.

 

Today, I was able to take my Swede Mauser in for a "fitting."


With Leupold High Rings, a Vari-X II fit and only the barest little bit of the bolt knob made contact with the scope's ocular end.

 

I think a little work with a very fine grinder and voila, I'll be able to put a Vari-X II on the rifle.

 

I think I can make do without the mil dot reticle, since I'll already have a pair of rifles wearing that reticle.

 

Thanks again,

 

Roy Hill

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If you've got your problem solved good, otherwise you may want to follow technica's advice.  I have a M38 that was sporterized some years ago.  Also had my bolt forged to make clearance for a scope.  Have an older 3x9x40(?) Tasco on it with medium height rings.  Bolt comes close to ocular but clears it ok.  As I recall having the bolt turned down was not an expensive procedure. 

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I totally agree with technika on this as well.  I think it's a mistake to sacrifice optical performance for the sake of adapting to poor bolt handle clearance, when this is an easily corrected problem.  Correcting the bolt handle geometry would also make bolt operation in the field much easier, especially when wearing gloves.  A gunsmith can either modify the existing handle or weld a different shaped handle to your bolt.  Since you have an already modified Swede Mauser anyway and therefore wouldn't be concerned with collector value, there's no downside besides cost to making the bolt handle more user-friendly.
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If anyone has a bolt that needs modifying, here's the guy I recommend

 

http://www.mosinnagant.net/Boltman/Boltman.html

 

 

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