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YippeeI am looking to purchase new binos for hunting here in Colorado and am considering a set that has range finding capabilities. My hope is to not have to carry both binos and a separate range finder. My budget is up to $500. I wear eye glasses if this makes any diff. I will be using whatever I purchase for up to 500 yards or so in both timber and open terrain.
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My suggestion would be to get a nice set of $500.00 binos and than a seperate range finder.  I know this isn't what you wanted, but the optics in the inexpensive bino/finder leaves alot to be desired. 

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+1 I bit the bullet, and spent loads of money on a rangefinding bino, but wouldn't attempt it at the $500 level.
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So what would you reccomend if I was going to "bite the bullet" and go for good rangerfinder ?
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Originally posted by carbuyersfriend carbuyersfriend wrote:

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So what would you reccomend if I was going to "bite the bullet" and go for good rangerfinder ?
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I went with a Leica Geovid 10x42. They make them in 8x42, 8x56, and 15x56. I would stick with 8,or 10x if you are interested. I'm afraid you'll have to get your checkbook out.....and maybe your credit card. I had to look at it as a lifetime investment. I was going to buy Zeiss conquest bino's and a leica laser. I figured it would be worth it to have them all in one. I don't regret it. Wife wasn't impressed though.
 
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by carbuyersfriend carbuyersfriend wrote:

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So what would you reccomend if I was going to "bite the bullet" and go for good rangerfinder ?
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I went with a Leica Geovid 10x42. They make them in 8x42, 8x56, and 15x56. I would stick with 8,or 10x if you are interested. I'm afraid you'll have to get your checkbook out.....and maybe your credit card. I had to look at it as a lifetime investment. I was going to buy Zeiss conquest bino's and a leica laser. I figured it would be worth it to have them all in one. I don't regret it. Wife wasn't impressed though.
 
 
If going for just a rangefinder, I'd look at these
 
 
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OK.....I figure that by the time I buy a good set of binocs and a range finder I'll have $1000
to $1400 invested. There are two NIB sets of Leica 10x42 for sale. They are asking $2000 with all papers. What do you think about the price ?
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Originally posted by carbuyersfriend carbuyersfriend wrote:

OK.....I figure that by the time I buy a good set of binocs and a range finder I'll have $1000
to $1400 invested. There are two NIB sets of Leica 10x42 for sale. They are asking $2000 with all papers. What do you think about the price ?
 
Ha Ha. This is exactly what I did. That is actually not bad for Geovids. They generally sell for $2200-$2400. I very strongly urge you to spend some time looking through them, and playing with them before buying, or buy from someone like swfa.com. I'm not going to say that I think I led you astray, but I want you to be sure you like what you are buying before you are stuck with them. I don't know about you, but I don't throw $2000 around too lightly. I was lucky and bought a used pair for $1400. I assure you they are great bino's, and the rangefinder works as good as any, and better than most, but they are heavy. I spent four days walking in the mountains with them around my neck. It gets old, but to me beats carrying bino's and a LRF. Good luck sir.
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I'm going to have to play Devil's Advocate here and suggest to you that the integrated rangefinder/binocular units (regardless of manufacturer/model) are not very good ideas, for a few reasons:

1. The warranties on these combo units simply suck.  The Leica Geovid for example, only offers a 5-year warranty.  Buying used, even if the company allows the warranty to transfer, will only mean that your warranty period will be even shorter. That makes it a far-less-than-lifetime investment.  Non-warranty repair on the rangefinder will be expensive.
 
2.  Rangefinder technology has been making some pretty good advances lately.  Just look at the proliferation of models offering "True Ballistic Range" abilities.  To the best of my knowledge, none of the integrated models offer these advances and even if they eventually do, you'll lose a huge chunk of change if you try to exchange and upgrade.  (Another blow to the "lifetime investment" idea.) 
 
3. This is a minor issue but, if your rangefinder is built in to your binocular, then you are pretty much stuck with either using exclusively that binocular or not having the rangefinder (or buying a seperate rangefinder - which would be a collosal waste of money and defeat the whole purpose of having an integrated unit in the first place).  Personally, I find that there are times when I don't need/want to carry a full sized binocular but, I would still like to know the distance between me and whatever item of interest I have in front of me.
 
4.  My kids love carrying the rangefinder around, while we're out hunting antelope, for example.  It's easy to use and they feel more like part of the hunting process if they get to tell me how far out the target is.   I doubt you could/would do that with an integrated unit.
 
 
 
 


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How about a good laser ranging rifle scope in conjunction with binoculars. Bushnell and Burris make some of the more cost effective quality units.
It is a viable alternative for some.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

How about a good laser ranging rifle scope in conjunction with binoculars. Bushnell and Burris make some of the more cost effective quality units.
It is a viable alternative for some.
 
This concept is even more peculiar to me than the binocular/rangefinder combos. 
 
In essense, you either end up with three, basically poor choices:
 
1.  Buy a similar rangefinder/riflescope for every rifle you own.  (Can you say $$$$$$$?)
 
2. Only own/use one rifle for all of your shooting.
 
3. Switch the scope and re-sight each rifle on a use-by-use basis.
 
Regardless of choice, you still need to buy a seperate, hand-held rangefinder for use when you don't have your rifle with you (archery, handgunning, etc.)
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I would buy separately, a $300 rangefinder (Bushnell) and a $200 binocular (a good 8x40 porro prism).
 
Or, and this is my personal way of buying things, just get a good $500 binocular (Hawke Frientier ED 8x43), and wait and save for a good rangefinder (Nikon, or Leica) later.
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OK...really good input!!! I never realized that the rangefinder technology was changing as rapidly as it is and will. I picked up an set of year or so old Leica range finder binos and they were huge !!! So ....I am going to wait until later this year to see what comes out. Unless I can find some for dirt cheap. I will probably go back to my original looking and go with some Leica 8 or 10X42's and a separeate inexpensive range finder. Great point about involving the kids. thank you Lucznik,Anweis and Thaqua. I'll be shopping for a really good set of 8x42 binos and a rangefinder and wait for a combo. I plan to involve my grandson in hunting so the rangefinder will be a great way for him to feel involved. This is a super web site and I am convinced that SWFA is the way to go for support and with their 110% price matching there is really no reason to buy anywhere else.
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 OK..I spent over an hour over at Bass Pro Shops this morning trying out alot of different binos and rangefinders. I found that 10X anything binos were difficult for me to hold still. Maybe my age or eyes or both I don't know. I also found for me that a separate set of binos and range finder begin to make more sense. First I really hadn't thought about involving  my grandkids until  Lucznik pointed out how his kids enjoyed carrying the range finder when they are together. Great way to involve the grandkids and the girlfriend.
 The binos I settled on are the Steiner Merlin in 8x42. I like how they fit my hand and they work well with my glasses. The rangefinder I selected is the Leica Rangemaster 1200. I tried several and the Leica worked the best for me and is still small enough to tuck in a coat pocket or small outer pocket on a pack. Oh ! and second I can buy both of these for less than half of a set of range finder binos. That became more important to me as I cruised the isles at Bass Pro realizing I needed to update a bunch of other gear before my elk hunt later this month. So....thats where I am right now. Unless of course someone of you can suggest some additional options. And I'am always open to more input. I'll be on the phone to the folks at SWFA first thing Monday morning !!!
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I haven't looked through the Steiners, but pretty hard to go wrong with the Rangemaster 1200.
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I've looked at Steiner's before and from the Merlin up, they are fine.  Actually, if I decided to spend big money and buy an alpha class binocular, I'd have a hard time not buying a Peregrine XP.  Personally, I like the ergonomics of the Steiners.  Use it and enjoy it. Smile
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I agree about the ergonomics> I picked up alot of binos yesterday and the Steiners just "felt" better in my hands. I was able to immediately pick thm up and get a focus far faster than any others and without really concentrating on the process. Just like a good feel in a handgun.
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Another option is the Swarovski rangefinder, which @ 8X, great glass and a decent exit pupil gives you moderate mono glassing. You may or may not feel the need to supplement w/binos.
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

Another option is the Swarovski rangefinder, which @ 8X, great glass and a decent exit pupil gives you moderate mono glassing. You may or may not feel the need to supplement w/binos.


Good point there.  The Leica's are not bad to use by themselves as a monocular either. 
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Zeiss Victory 8x26 Rangefinder Just something for your reading enjoyment.

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Ok you guys I really am in a quandry !!! I am confounded and confused by the great  variety of excellent binos out here. Every time I try something new I decide it's the one and lo and behold I find something else that really seems to work even better. Tell me is there hope for me ???  Have any of you suffered this malady (optic obsession) before? Is there a cure ? As I sat in the window of Bass Pro today with two other guys trying binos and  swappping inputs (stricltly legal here in Colorado) neither had heard of this site or SWFA    till I turned them on to both.  Soooooo two more converts are probably cruising these notes tonight.
 I swear will call SWFA tomorrow and order something (s) in order to end my distress.
I may go with a set of Zeiss Victory Fl's and a Leica 1200 RF. There really aren't any terrible mistakes to be made in todays optic world. Right !!??  
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There are TERRIBLE mistakes to be made in the optic world right now! The names that you are throwing out are certainly not included in them. Just avoid names like Barska, BSA, NC Star, and any thing with "ruby coated lenses".
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Of course however you have schooled me better than that !!!
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

There are TERRIBLE mistakes to be made in the optic world right now! The names that you are throwing out are certainly not included in them. Just avoid names like Barska, BSA, NC Star, and any thing with "ruby coated lenses".
 
I actually worry that there may be some other, not so obvious, yet potentially equally terrible mistakes being made in the optics world right now. 
 
The one that comes most quickly to mind is the flush of Chinese made, "ED glass" optics flooding the market (Promaster, Hawke, Zen-Ray, etc.).  I haven't seen/handled any of them personally so; I'm not knocking them other than to say that the long-term durability and viability of these products and the companies marketing them are total unknowns. 
 
I'm concerned that the sellers of these products are going to prove to be so-called "flashes in the pan" and that in a few years, when their owners need some kind of warranty and/or customer service, they will have simply vanished.
 
 
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Yes I agree !!! I needed to preface my comment about "no bad choices" by stating I was refering to the upper end of the bino world and not something purchased at a local box store that also sells bread and eggs......and even in some cases some box sporting goods stores. Thanks for your support. 
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