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Good day to all. I’m new to the long range shooting thing but I am trying to learn as much as possible. The question I have is when I bought my savage 10FP .308 and all the other parts I needed (or thought I needed) I was told after the fact that I should have purchased a one piece base to mount my optics. Now the question I have is why a one piece base and not the two piece I bought and will it really play a large roll later down the road or should I order a one piece before the next time I try to zero my rifle (which went horrible last time...) If someone also would mind telling me why it makes a big difference if it matters. Thank you for the help.

-Guess

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Welcome, and a few answers.

1.  A 2-piece base, assuming it was made for that rifle, it was made correctly, and the holes in the receiver are tapped true, should be no problem.  If someone told you that you "need" a 1-piece, I'd ask why.  If the 2-piece is made for your rifle and is a good piece of gear, it should work fine.
2.  The primary advantages of a 1-piece are (assuming it is a 1913 rail): more options for ring placement and therefore scope placement, and there is a significantly lower probability of torquing the scope tube if the base is 1-piece and of good quality.

You see, if the holes in the 1-piece base do not exactly align with the holes in the receiver, you're stuck.  If they somehow align with the 2 halves but the 2 halves are not exactly in line, you can damage the scope and not know it.  With a 1-piece, alignment issues are obvious much sooner.

Yours is a short-action rifle, mounting with a 2-piece shouldn't pose any problems - action isn't too long for proper eye relief, etc.

I prefer 1-piece bases.

On the negative side (for some), they are heavier, bulkier, and usually more expensive.


Edited by Rancid Coolaid - June/03/2008 at 16:46
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Thank you I had no clue what to do other than start to price a new base. The two piece base that I got for it is Burris Xtreme Tactical Steel Base made for the short or long action Savage. Is that a good set or do you recommend other? Thank you for answering the post t. Good help is hard to find these days...   :)
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The biggest advantage outside of what was posted above is the ability to get MOA on a one piece rail.
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Get MOA.? Sorry but so lost right now
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Yes the availability of 10, 20, and 30 MOA on one piece rails allows you to center the adjustment range for elevation more in the top third of the scopes internal elevation adjustment at zero, thus giving you more available elevation adjustment for the longer shots.
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Yo, Guess-who.  Check out this article it is well written and will probably answer a lot of your questions about optics and precision shooting in general.  I came across it a year or two back and it really helped me.
http://demigodllc.com/articles/practical-long-range-rifle-shooting-optics/
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 I'm sure the link posted by Supertool 73 addresses the issue , but in case you missed it, the MOA thing that Cyborg is talking about is really nothing more than a base which is slightly higher in the back, (in relation to the centerline of the bore) than it is at the front.
  What this does is it tips the front of your scope downward , allowing you a greater distance to engage distant targets without running out of elevation adjustment in the scope. The angular "amount" of this tilt is expressed in Minutes Of Angle or M.O.A. (1 minute of angle is 1/60 of a degree, by the way.)
 You probably won't need to even worry about it unless you regularly shoot beyond 600 yards, and even further depending on the scope.
  One other advantage to a two-piece base is much greater access to the action for loading or unloading your rifle, especially with a blind box magazine. You simply have more room under the scope tube for your fat, stubby little fingers to work.
 
 Edited to add:
  BTW, I have a two-piece base on my 700 Remington that has 15 MOA built into it.  It was made by Baer.
 
 


Edited by RONK - June/03/2008 at 19:59
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This is what I will put on my Savage 10FP when I can afford to buy it. For now it has standard Leupold rings and base. These are great guns. What scope did you go with? I have a Leupold 3-9x40 Mark 4 PR on mine and have had a 10x Super Sniper on it but moved the SS to my semi auto gun.  I'd really like to put an IOR tactical scope on it too.
One must have dreams.


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Thanks for the info as of right now I have a barska on it (is that a good scope??) I would love to get a super sniper but dont have the cash for it right. As far as what RONK said I dont think I will be shoot at more than 500 yds but I would like to get to that point or more later on down the road, by that time maybe the wife will have let me buy a barrett Big%20Smile. Please keep the info coming guy I'm new and want to learn as much as possible.
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No need for a Barrett, many rifles can get well past 500 with far less pain and $$ than a .50BMG.

I didn't bring up MOA because you didn't ask and seemed to be starting out on this, no need for us to make it unduly difficult.

What you will begin to see, both in talking optics/weapons and in shooting is that this sport can be quite expensive - and the recommendations around here tend to push that to extremes unless you specify.

Here are a few quick tips and possibly helpful thoughts:

1.  Burris stuff should be fine, don't buy something else at this moment if it isn't needed - and it doesn't seem to be needed.
2.  As you move up in gear, my recommendation is to save as long as necessary to get what you really want - don't buy early and settle for something that isn't what you want, else you'll be buying again.
3.  With no disrespect intended, Barska isn't a great scope.  Since the rifle is servicable and the base is servicable, I'd start saving for a better scope.  My recommendation would be to save for a Super Sniper - the jump in quality will be a pleasant suprise and it is the best deal going for a good tactical scope.  It's also rugged and simple to use.
4.  Give a little more detail regarding what you want to spend, what you want to do with the set-up, and the quality and applicability of the advice goes up dramatically.


Good luck. 
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Thanks Rancid I will keep all of that in mind in the future. The funny thing is I was going to buy the super sniper scope before when I was looking of rifle scopes.com but I had never heard of it so it made it hard. A guy at the local (dont make fun of me now)  "Big 5 and Bass Pro Shops" said that barska made pretty good glass and it was a heck of a price. Ill start saving for what I felt to be a good scope the first time around and pick it up as soon as I can.
If anyone has any other words of wisdom please dont hold back. If you read this and see anything that I might need to know starting out please post it as I do want to learn as much as possible and the only way to do so is through two ways, trial and error and information passed on from someone else's trial and error.
Thanks again everyone.  
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 Trusting what a guy at Bass Pro says is like trusting one at Cabeala's ..... you may as well ask a kid at Walmart . Barska and Hammers are about the same to me ... along with NcStar ... Here%20Ye%20Here%20Ye   good for swatting flies or killing bugs .
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While Barska is not generally considered a very good scope you can learn the shooting mechanics with nearly any glass you can see through. When I was in the service and living off of an infantryman's pay, I shot a Savage 110FP with a Bushnell scope (with a BDC) when off-duty.  It did just fine. 
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graysteel and others are right--shoot what you got and when you can afford what you want, get it!  And the posts here are good reading and reference material!!  Welcome!
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You might be interested in the fact that SWFA does take trade in scopes on the form on the samplelist link.  I'm thinking if the last session went horribly wrong it is the scope and you might be well advised to return the "defective" (who knows) scope to the place you bought it and ask for your money back.  Then you can get the SS 10x
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   I have 2 Savage Model 10FP's. 1 pre accutrigger that I put a Timney Trigger in and 1 Accutrigger model I bought in December of '07. They are both GREAT RIFLES! I have Nikon Scopes on both. The older one has a 4-16 BDC Buckmaster on it and the new Accutrigger model has a Monarch 4-16 Power on it. These Rifle/Scope combinations have embarresed my little Brother and his L-Pold topped Howa .308 as well as 2 Brother in Law's. 1 with a Zeiss topped 270 Weatherby and another with a L-Pold topper Browning .300 Mag. All shooting was 5 round groups @ 500 yards. All I did was look through my Nikon @ the 500 yard range BDC circle and sqeeze. Five rounds inside a 5 inch circle. All 3 of them failed to even get all 5 rounds on the paper. Needless to say I don't hear any snide remarks about Savage rifles anymore or any bragging about Leupold or Zeiss Scopes either. This was one of many in a long line of embarresing guys with high dollar Rifle/Scope combos who bad mouthed my Savage Rifles and my devotion to them. I shoot Savage Bolt Action rifles and they are the only bolt actions I shoot. Now I shoot other brands of semi-autos (home built AR-15's & 10's) but only because Savage doesn't build AR's !!!!
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Whatever, Savage sucks.  Wink

I dare bet it had a lot more to do with the shooter too.  That sounds like some good shootin.  Welcome to the forum by the way.
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 CavscoutSniper ... another well informed Nikon owner ... !! Not that these guys could say I'm a fanatical Nikon fan ... LOL  Welcome to the ELITE NIKON OWNERS CLUB ... brother !  
 
                                              
 


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Oh brother,
Is The Dark Lord of Optics (AKA ILya) gonna flip when he sees this!!!!    Nikonosis is BAAAACCCKKKKK!!!!!


     ROFL


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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Oh brother,
Is The Dark Lord of Optics (AKA ILya) gonna flip when he sees this!!!!    Nikonosis is BAAAACCCKKKKK!!!!!


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