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I was at my local gun store today and the man was trying to tell me that Meopta made Swarovski.... Any truth to this? I thought Meopta made the Zeiss Conquests...?

and he also told me that the Kahles was bought out by Swarovski because the owners were friends and they had an agreement whoever died first, the other owner would buy out the other company. He said the Kahles man died first, so the Swaro man bought the Kahles business... Any truth to this?

 Also, what is the current opinion on Trijicon? Is it comparable to Swaro and Zeiss Diavari? 

thanks!

Jack
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Originally posted by JackTheRipper JackTheRipper wrote:

I was at my local gun store today and the man was trying to tell me that Meopta made Swarovski.... Any truth to this? I thought Meopta made the Zeiss Conquests...?

I heard the Z3 glass was made in the Czech Rep by Meopta. No idea if it is true, but, if it is, it does not mean that Meopta is assembling it.

Originally posted by JackTheRipper JackTheRipper wrote:


 Also, what is the current opinion on Trijicon? Is it comparable to Swaro and Zeiss Diavari? 

I compared the Accupoint 3-9x40 glass to the Kahles 3-9x42, and thought that it was good, but not quite as good. So by triangulation I think it will not match Swarovski and Zeiss Diavari, which, I think, are as good as Kahles if not better.

However, I don't find the difference to be huge, and that would not stop me from buying an Accupoint.


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To the best of my knowledge, Swarovski makes their own.  They are the parent company for Kahles.  Old man Kahles sold the company to Swarovski before/when he died as he has no heirs to the company at that time.
 
While my Trij glass is nice, it is not in the same league as my Kahles and Swarovskis.
 
Hope this helps!
 


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I don't own any of these right now but have in the past and the Swaro and Kahles optics have been the best I've ever looked through.  My only concern has been with Kahles and if you needed repair where you would send it.  I've gotten different answers and it seemed nobody knew exactly so I didn't pick up another one a month ago but sure was drastically tempted.  If you have the bucks to spend either of these is fantastic and a toss-up as to which is better.  To me, others will have their own opinion but the Trijicon optic is not as good.  I personally think it's more comparable to a Conquest scope and even then what I saw I thought was more on the lower end of that line.  Maybe I just saw a bad one and maybe it was just me but honestly I wasn't really impressed.  Certainly not enough to spend the bucks on one.  Just my 2 cents.
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Meopta provides the glass for the Conquest line, but the conquest line is assembled in the US by Zeiss.  I have never heard they are related to Swaro.

Tijicons are nice, but the price alone should make it obvious they are not in the same league.  As an general rule, most scope are priced very according based on quality with other brands.  If three different scope brands all cost $500 chances are they are going to be very comparable.  But comparing a $700 to an $1700 scope they will be in a completely different league. 

But when you start paying high dollar for scopes you get less for more.  That extra $1000 might only get you 5-10% better glass quality.  And vs a Trijcion it is doubtful that a expensive Zeiss or Swaro will offer you anything in reliability.   Is it worth it?  To some absolutely, to others maybe not. 


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Originally posted by JackTheRipper JackTheRipper wrote:

I was at my local gun store today and the man was trying to tell me that Meopta made Swarovski.... Any truth to this? I thought Meopta made the Zeiss Conquests...?

and he also told me that the Kahles was bought out by Swarovski because the owners were friends and they had an agreement whoever died first, the other owner would buy out the other company. He said the Kahles man died first, so the Swaro man bought the Kahles business... Any truth to this?

 Also, what is the current opinion on Trijicon? Is it comparable to Swaro and Zeiss Diavari? 

thanks!

Jack
 
No, Meopta does not make Swarovski.  Swarovski makes Swarovski.  The glass comes from Schott.
 
Swarovski does indeed own Kahles and Swarovski Optik North America (SONA) used to import Kahles in the US.  No more.  Kahles is now imported by Gamo USA, even though Swarovski still owns Kahles.  I don't know about the validity of the behind the scenes story of how it happened.  That sounds like b.s. to me.  Much of what you hear by sales clerks in retail stores is, in fact, b.s.
 
Trijicon products are excellent.  In what category do you wish to compare their products to Zeiss and Swaro?  Optically, Zeiss and Swaro are both better, but of course, they both cost much more.  Mechanically, who knows which is better.  Trijicon has an innovative dual illumination system comprised of both fiber optics and tritium whereas Zeiss and Swaro use conventional electronic illumination systems in their illuminated models.  All of Trijicon's optics are illuminated.
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FYI,Here's the thing,I agree with RD,I know that Schott is making the glass for Swaro,I also know Minox is also using Schott glass,I just don't understand why there is not more press for the Minox @ 50% less than the price of Swaro?
 
I own both Minox & Zeiss conquest,Minox has better mag.box,glass is very close & Minox is much cheaper!
 
I also compared my Swaro Z5 to the Minox,the difference price wise was not worth it.Mechcanically Z5 hands down better,but glass wise very little difference to my old eyes.
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