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Hey,
 
So I'm in the market for some binoculars (up to $1500). I have very little experience with them, I only have a $25 pair, and that sort of got me interested. (10*50 pair). I use it for general use and bird watching. Ideally I'd want a pair that can see fairly well in the dark, in low light situations. For example, how much light would i need to see something with an expensive pair of binoculars?
 
I'm also curious, for expensive binoculars that don't state that they have image stabilization, are these only useful with a tripod?
 
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I would give the Meopta Meostar HD a good consideration.  You won't find anything better than them in your price range, if they fit you. 
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I have heard good reports on regarding Meopta, I would also suggest Vortex's Razor binoculars.
 
Another great option.
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The only model Canon IS binocular good for dark or low light situations would be the 10x42L IS WP with an exit pupil of 4+mm.

Low magnification non IS binoculars such as 7x, or 8x can be handheld without the use of a tripod or monopod.

For dark or low light situations, the best way to go would be either 7x50 or 8x56 binoculars which have a 7mm exit pupil for the most light gathering.

Here's just one example of each size:





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So basically, any 10* magnification would be too shakey without a tripod?
My hands shake just in general as well, though.




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Originally posted by qpalzm qpalzm wrote:

So basically, any 10* magnification would be too shakey without a tripod?
My hands shake just in general as well, though.

If you are prone to shakiness in your hands than a 10x is not a good place to start unless it is an Image Stabilized 10x.


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Would you guys be able to compare the Canon 10*42 with IS vs Meopta Meostar HD. (I believe the Canon is about $700, the Meopta about $1200).

Is Meopta superior for the purposes I'm looking for? I'm trying to get an idea of how big difference there is in terms of being able to see things in very low light. Is it small difference? big?

I just want to understand if I should just buy the Meopta with a tripod, or the Canon (then I don't need the tripod)


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Originally posted by qpalzm qpalzm wrote:

 
I use it for general use and bird watching. 
 

 

For general use, such as panoramic views, and for bird watching, a 10x binocular is going to give you a narrow Field of View, which is not good for catching birds up close on the fly. 

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Originally posted by qpalzm<span style=line-height: 1.4;>(I believe the Canon is about $700, the Meopta about $1200).</span><div><br><br>[/QUOTE qpalzm(I believe the Canon is about $700, the Meopta about $1200).


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A new Canon 10x42 L IS WP is over $1,200.00.

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Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

[QUOTE=qpalzm(I believe the Canon is about $700, the Meopta about $1200).



A new Canon 10x42 L IS WP is over $1,200.00.

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Sorry, I was thinking of the 12*42 that Canon had. I was looking that one up on Amazon few days ago.



How would you compare those two that I mentioned?

Is the Canon worth the extra $300 ? (on average, from what I see with the prices)
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There is no such binocular as a Canon 12x42 IS, obviously it was a typo.

Canon does make a 12x36 IS binocular.

You would have to do your own experimentation between binoculars.

Everyone's eyes are different.

I don't consider the Canon 10x42 L IS WP exceptional for dark viewing because of the 4mm exit pupil.
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Ah ok, that really helps.

But can you in any way put into context what a good pair of binoculars (medium-high end) can see in low light (and what would be defined as low light)?



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Here's one link on low light from Opticstalk. You can do a Google search for others.

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Would you say the exit pupil size is the most important or a bigger objective lens?
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exit pupil diameter of the meopta 10*42 is 4.2  mm
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What do you guys think of Docter Binoculars 8*56?

The video about it suggested you can see fine with just moonlight? That is hard to believe.

Docter 8x56 ED/OH Binoculars

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I see you posted the Docter ones in a previous post of yours. (8*56)

Any place that ships to Canada though?
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What is the difference between the Docter ED/Oh and Docter B/GA?
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My mind is almost set on these 8*56 Docter ones, (7mm) they also have 8*58 ones (7.25mm pupil)

I'm use to the 10 maginification though, so I'm just a little worried about how well I can see in distance.

How much of a range should I be able to see?
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Though I get the sense since Docter are German/international, many more people here have experience with Meopta. I know someone said to get the HD ones, but wouldn't the Meostar B1 8*56 be better for me?
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Also guys, what's the difference between these and night binoculars? I know that the technology works totally different, but are these low light binoculars also in a sense night vision binoculars?
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Sorry guys for all the questions, but just wanted one answered.
 
Is there much difference between how well a 12*50 and a 8*56  can see in low-light situations? (this is a meopta) The meopta customer service doesn't seem to think so.
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Originally posted by qpalzm qpalzm wrote:

just wanted one answered.
 
The meopta customer service doesn't seem to think so.

Perhaps the customer service agent needs to read their own advertisements.


The 12x50 is going to show more hand shake/image vibrations.




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Sorry,

I told him that I was considering the 8*56 because I needed something good for low-light situations..he said that I should go with the 10*42HD, because it is almost negligible how much more i can see with the 8*56. Here is part of what he said

"cut down on chromatic aberration. This will leave you with a much sharper sight picture, important if you’re counting tines on game, identifying ducks for daily limits, bird watching, etc. This will make them clearer in low light conditions as well (as colors and shadows tend to bleed together under muted twilight lighting)."
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