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I was looking at the Hensoldt 3-12x56 scopes and there are two models

1) 3-12x56 SSG-P http://www.i-e-a.de/productssimple9.html
2) 3-12x56 (new model) http://www.i-e-a.de/productssimple51.html

Now the SSG-P is a bit more expensive and by looking at the specs I can't figure out why. So my question is what makes it cost more then the newer model that according to the specs seems to be the better one? Am I missing something?

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I can't understand it either.

The SSG-P version is a lot less interesting.

 

The only interesting feature with the SSG-P is the indicator in the scope that tells you where the elevation is set at.

But the mounting is extremely high so finding a suitable rifle will not be to easy.

 

Regards Technika

 

 

 

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I have not seen one of these scopes yet, but I have heard nothing but praise about them.

I spoke to a gentlemen ounce that owns S&B's,USO's and a couple of models of this new

Hensolt series and he claims the SSG-P is the clearest out of all of them, truly amazing

glass. It is a very tempting scope to purchase but currently I can get a PMII for 1000

dollars less.

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I do own a 3-12 SSG with laserprotetion filters.

The clarity in that scope is not that great due to the filters, those are often stealing some light.

I have unfortunatley the old model with 1,5cm clicks that I find very stuipd as it's harder to calculate around.

 

If I should spend money on a 3-12 sniperscope I would probpably go for the Hensoldt 3-12 FF instead or SuB.

And of course without laserprotection filters. I can't really see any reason why the SSG should be bettter optically than the other Hensoldt 3-12.

 

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I dont know,that is what the local here said,I have never seen one in the area, I dont realy trust this guy to meet up with him either.

 

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Hello,

 

I'd like to know what the differences in glass are between the Hensoldts and the Zeiss Diavaris.  I know the Hensoldts are more tactical in appearance, but I'm betting that they share the same glass.  I've always thought that the Hensoldts were just the LEO/Military scopes under the Zeiss banner?

 

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I did a little research this morning on the Hensoldt scopes and this is what I found out so far.

Hakan is right the SSG has a anti-laser coating that produces a image on the warmer colors

of the spectrum,more yelowish that blurs the image slightly compared to the standard scopes.

Hensolt scopes are magnifactured in the same building but not the same line as Zeiss VM

Civilian scopes, this line is a few floors up, Hensoldt scopes have custom features and are

magnafactured to much stricter tolerances than the civilian models. There is no such thing as

Zeiss Military, Hensoldt also named optronics are a subdivision of Zeiss and are thier own company.

As I mentioned before I have not seen one yet,but now I am very interested in thier 3-12 FFP.

 

 

http://www.zeiss.de/optronics

 

http://www.zeiss.de/C1257088004A21CA/Contents-Frame/A254D374 FD464A4CC12570BC002C5992

 



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Hello,

 

Sorry, not buying it. 

 

I've looked through your links and the similarities are obvious, from the reflex sight to the tubes and turret housing shape...even the mag. rings are the same and the shapes of the occular housings.

 

I'm not saying that they are exactly identical, but in the same way that a Lincoln Navigator is basically the same as a Ford Expedition--the nuts and bolts.  Even the Hensoldt 2nd FP are near dups for the Diavari line and I doubt that they're fabricating different metal work and glass for each.   I do agree, that they're not rebadged copies however and there are enough differences (coatings, turrets, focal planes, etc.)  to warrant one's interest in one, but not the other.

 

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After my research today the model of intrest to me at this time is the SSG-P FFP 3-12x56. If I find anything else I will post it on this thread.

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I have one of the new hensoldt 3-12 scopes (sfp) and I also have the zeiss 3-12 model. They are NOT the same. The hensoldt is a military product. It is much larger (34mm tube versus 30 in civilian version) with much more adjustment than the civilian model. The ssg-p is an older model and, I think, has less field of view and shorter eye relief. The glass is excellent in both with a slight edge to the hensoldt because it is newer by one year.

 

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Hello,

 

I'm not saying that all Hensoldts are identical to their Zeiss counterparts.  I'm saying that if you look at the spec sheets of the two, the Zeiss 6-24x56 and the Hensoldt 6-24x56 are practically identical, but for some slight cosmetic differences.

 

Anyhow, it's being reported that as of 10/2006, the Hensoldt badge will be retired and from then on, only the Zeiss name will be found on their scope lines, whether hunting or tactical.

 

Take care, Chris

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I am very exited right now, just came up from Germany today and got a nice 3-12FFP SSG-P.

I was going to get a short dot for the AK74 but decided to get this instead and I am very happy so

far. I am heading over to Vegas this weekend and will do a little shooting and comparing, my friend

has the baby hubbel over there and some PMII's. I will post back next week.

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Hi, all

 

I happen to own an SSG-P, here are a few points on this optic:

 

Originally posted by Trinidad Trinidad wrote:

I have not seen one of these scopes yet, but I have heard nothing but praise about them.

I spoke to a gentlemen ounce that owns S&B's,USO's and a couple of models of this new

Hensolt series and he claims the SSG-P is the clearest out of all of them, truly amazing

glass. It is a very tempting scope to purchase but currently I can get a PMII for 1000

dollars less.

(1) Trinidad, the word you got from your aquaintance on the SSG-P is good. I can't speak for its predecessor, the SSG, but, as far as optical ability is concerned ( ie; resolution, color fidelity, contrast, low-light performance ), I have yet to see the optical equal of the SSG-P in it's power range, and mine runs with a pretty tough crowd...

 

(2) I do not consider the SSG-P to be dated in any way, but rather, more advanced, with regards to its unique features. When compared to other scopes, the SSG-P simply makes them look like so many un-original variations of the same old themes. The way it attaches to a rifle, IMHO, leaves other scopes in the dust: Look, Ma! -no rings!!...

 

(3) I have not found the SSG-P to be excessively high when mounted on my AR-10 T. For me, personally, the scope's mounted height makes for more comfortable shooting from all positions, especially prone, as I have a big square head with a broad jaw that just doesn't mix well with some of the lower mounting configurations for ARs.

 

(4) The SSG-P, despite its elevation limitations, works well on AR-style rifles; I make consistent hits to 800yds with it mounted on my AR-10T. I would say that this optic, while certainly a specialty tool, is at its best when mounted on an in-line configured rifle, whose receiver is topped with an integral, forward-canted M1913 Picatinny rail, eg; EDM Arms, Barrett, etc.

 

Straight Shooting, FOF



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Resurrecting an old thread.

I know this scope's circa 2005, but nevertheless has excellent glass.

Two questions:

1. Given Zeiss' newer offerings, is this scope still worth getting for what it can do?

2. What's the battery life like with this scope? It takes TWO AA batteries.
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Originally posted by Edsel Edsel wrote:

Resurrecting an old thread.

I know this scope's circa 2005, but nevertheless has excellent glass.

Two questions:

1. Given Zeiss' newer offerings, is this scope still worth getting for what it can do?

2. What's the battery life like with this scope? It takes TWO AA batteries.
 
Looks like it's still a current model and I would think that 2x1.5v AAs running in parallel would yield a pretty long LED runtime.
 
At about $3300, it's a spendy 3-12 scope that weighs in at 2.5#, but it has some neat tricks up its sleeve.
 
For that kind of money, you can get a SB PMII 5-25x56 scope and have basically twice the mag range, less weight and pretty much equal quality across the board.
 
 
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All that extra weight - where's it from?
 
Glass, or the housing (disregard the mass of the two AA batteries)?
 
Is it grossly overbuilt?
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Overbuilt... HOW do you overbuild a tactical rifle scope??? By its very nature, it is supposed to withstand virtually any environment/condition and it is supposed to perform better than virtually anything else... how do you "overbuild" those requirements?  
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Hey, Chris.
 
Thanks for putting the price into perspective.
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Originally posted by ChrisGarrett ChrisGarrett wrote:

Looks like it's still a current model and I would think that 2x1.5v AAs running in parallel would yield a pretty long LED runtime.
 
At about $3300, it's a spendy 3-12 scope that weighs in at 2.5#, but it has some neat tricks up its sleeve.
 
For that kind of money, you can get a SB PMII 5-25x56 scope and have basically twice the mag range, less weight and pretty much equal quality across the board.
 
 
Chris
 
I think I'll get both and sell the one I won't be using at a small loss.
 
Thanks!
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Originally posted by Edsel Edsel wrote:

Originally posted by ChrisGarrett ChrisGarrett wrote:

Looks like it's still a current model and I would think that 2x1.5v AAs running in parallel would yield a pretty long LED runtime.
 
At about $3300, it's a spendy 3-12 scope that weighs in at 2.5#, but it has some neat tricks up its sleeve.
 
For that kind of money, you can get a SB PMII 5-25x56 scope and have basically twice the mag range, less weight and pretty much equal quality across the board.
 
 
Chris
 
I think I'll get both and sell the one I won't be using at a small loss.
 
Thanks!
 
Can I borrow a dollar?
 
If I were to buy another 'high end' scope, I'd look to the Hensoldt line.  When I bought my TRG-42 338LM in early '06, I was considering the NightForce scope at X dollars.  My next step up was the Zeiss Diavari 6-24x56 IR mildot for X + Y dollars and finally, the Schmidt Bender PMII 5-25x56 P4 for X + Y + Z. 
 
The NF is well regarded, the Zeiss is a bit 'up shy' compared to the SB and the SB well...was a lot of money back then.  
 
I went with the latter and have no real regrets, except that I got MOA knobs, which are ultimately fine for my needs, if not a bit of a drag if I were to sell the scope.
 
Hensoldt wasn't readily available to US customers back then, but that's not the case now.
 
Hendsolt is truly top shelf, but 3-12x is just a bit low for my eyes and I'd rather have the extra magnification and not need it, than to need it and not have it, is my thought on the matter.
 
Good luck, as it must be nice to be able to buy both?
 
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Finally got the scope yesterday.
 
It's on its temporary home atop my AR - 10... I have to agree with the post above that this scope is absolutely perfect for AR - 10 pattern rifles.
 
The glass is just exceptional.
 
Even against my Zeiss Diascope 85T* FL, there's something about the sight picture quality which I'm at a loss for words at describing.
 
Maybe it's the coating they use - it's almost like it has a circular polarizer built in.
 
The sight picture is just so darned crisp and "full," from edge to edge.
 
Still waiting for the Schmidt und Bender to come in - but I have a Trijicon TA648 with the Horseshoe Reticle arriving sometime next week; it'll be amusing to make an apples - to - oranges comparison in glass quality / sight picture quality!
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The manual for the Hensoldt SSG-P leaves a lot to be desired...



How does one reference the 4 / 6 / 8 / 10 "bar graph" at the bottom?

I know they're referenced to some proportion of the human body at 400, 600, 800, and 1000 meters - but the manual was definitely done by someone thinking in German and typing in English.

Here it is verbatim:

"...the distance between the base line and the corresponding reference line corresponds to the upper part of the body of a person (approx. 1 m) in reference to the corresponding distance."

What upper part of the body, though? From waistline to neck?
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Originally posted by Trinidad Trinidad wrote:

I dont know,that is what the local here said,I have never seen one in the area, I dont realy trust this guy to meet up with him either. 

Wait!  Why are you afraid to meet him?  Is he a criminal?  Has he threatened you?
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Originally posted by ChrisGarrett ChrisGarrett wrote:

Hello, 

I'd like to know what the differences in glass are between the Hensoldts and the Zeiss Diavaris.  I know the Hensoldts are more tactical in appearance, but I'm betting that they share the same glass.  I've always thought that the Hensoldts were just the LEO/Military scopes under the Zeiss banner? 

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Hensoldts are manufactured in Zeiss's Military Division.  The other Zeiss division is the Sporting Optics Division.  

I own, and use, Hensoldt's big boy, the 6-24x72.  The image is truly awe-inspiring. It is the best image I have ever seen.  However, image is worthless if the scope cannot return to zero, or move the proper distance via your turret input. I have shot the box using a 20 MOA box; the 6-24x72 performed admirably.  I also walked the line up a long plumbed line on a target at 600 yards.  The scope again performed admirably. I could not discern any aberration in vertical travel. 

I've owned half a dozen Schmidt & Bender scopes over the last decade, and still have the S&B 4-16x50 PM II mounted on my AR-10 R.E.P.R..  I won't sell that S&B PM II because I believe it fits perfectly in size & weight the use I have for that rifle.  The magnification range is hard to beat; I can dial down to 4X movers or dial all the way up to 16X for longer engagements. 
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