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I was thinking about purchasing this scope. I have three rifles that need scopes, mod 70 223, mod 110 sav. 243, and an a-bold 260 rem.
 
What recticle should I get? I may use it for a backup hunting rifle in CA Serria Nevadas, but more likely just target shooting.
 
The BDC dead hold has me confused, it specifically says "100 to 400 yards Bullet drop precisely calculated to compensate for the elliptic drop of a 50, 55 & 62 grain .223 bullet". Will this recticle work for the other calibers? I went to Vortex.com and downloaded the recticle info, it doesnt mention being calculated specifally for 223.
 
and then there is the C3..
 
Any input would be appreciated.
 
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I have the 2-7 viper with BDC and have had it on a .35 rem and a 7mm-08 with no problems at all. another member here has his on a 375 H&H mag., and has had no problems either. I cant remember if his is BDC or C3, but I dont think you will have any problems with the BDC on any rifle you wish to put it on!
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Aww I think they sold out on the BDC. That leaves two recticles remaining. Any preferences and why? Or do you think I should get an elite 4200 in 3-9? I would like to spend around $150, I feel that both are great deals. Last week I broke the bank with a z5...
 
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  I'm thinking they may be out of the C3's to.
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Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

I have the 2-7 viper with BDC and have had it on a .35 rem and a 7mm-08 with no problems at all. another member here has his on a 375 H&H mag., and has had no problems either. I cant remember if his is BDC or C3, but I dont think you will have any problems with the BDC on any rifle you wish to put it on!

that would be me, i have a c3 versa plex on mine, and for the close shots i generally take in the thick timber up here is works like a champ. what a scope for the money.


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Originally posted by jmyner99er jmyner99er wrote:

Aww I think they sold out on the BDC. That leaves two recticles remaining. Any preferences and why? Or do you think I should get an elite 4200 in 3-9? I would like to spend around $150, I feel that both are great deals. Last week I broke the bank with a z5...
 
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the 4200 3x9 is another scope ive got. its been on my .375H&H and currently sits on my .300wby. its got a really short eye relief 3.3" constant at all powers, where the viper has a lot more in that category.
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I too have both scopes, and my 4200 is currently on my 308. like pyro says, the eye relief is a bit shorter than the viper, but it is an awesome scope in all respects. I dont think you could go wrong with that one either.
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Pyro sweet pic! What rings are you using?
 
Any pros and cons on the C3 or the vplex?
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  If your looking for a reticle to get you on target QUICK the C3 is it.  Best I've used to date anyways.  It's a very good all around reticle for general big game hunting.
  The only con I can see with either reticle would be the possibility of neither being optimal for LOW LIGHT hunting. 
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Originally posted by jmyner99er jmyner99er wrote:

Pyro sweet pic! What rings are you using?
 
Any pros and cons on the C3 or the vplex?

those are leupold std rings and bases. people say im crazy to use them on a magnum of that size. until they break i aint fixing itBucky
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Hey guys is the VV in 3.5-10x 50 or 3-9 just as good as the 2-7?
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    If your talking optically and mechanically.  Yes. 
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So no optical degradation?
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  Here's a GOOD read on a higher magnification (12X) Viper that should be of some help.
 
 
 


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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  Here's a GOOD read on a higher magnification (12X) Viper that mentions,among ALOT of other things,optical degradation.
where?
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Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  Here's a GOOD read on a higher magnification (12X) Viper that mentions,among ALOT of other things,optical degradation.
 
 
 

Since I wrote that, I am kinda curious where you found anything on optical degradation in there.

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Thanks  for the link 300, and Im sure I can speak for everyone on here.. Thanks for your awesome reviews ILya!

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

I have the 2-7 viper with BDC and have had it on a .35 rem and a 7mm-08 with no problems at all. another member here has his on a 375 H&H mag., and has had no problems either. I cant remember if his is BDC or C3, but I dont think you will have any problems with the BDC on any rifle you wish to put it on!

that would be me, i have a c3 versa plex on mine, and for the close shots i generally take in the thick timber up here is works like a champ. what a scope for the money.



with just a little effort you could mount that scope a little lower...
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Regarding the original question regarding the balistic reticle. This is true of any balistic reticle if you zero the scope at a known distance say 200 yds and there is a mark of any type in the design of the reticle be it BDC type lines  or dots in a mil dot or just simply a duplex where the thin part of the crosshair goes to thick.
As a bullet travels out to long range gravity causes it to drop and at some distance X that bullets path will correspond to the mark on the reticle.  The question then becomes at what distance X represents.  The answer to that changes with different speed bullets and different weight bullets.  So what you do is you zero the rifle at 200 yds  ( you could select 100 if desired ) then go to 300 yds and point the center crosshair at the target and shoot a 3 shot group then mark where that group hit go back to 300 yds and place the center of the crosshairs on the center of the target and look to see where the impact mark is.  Where the impact mark is becomes your hold over at that known distance.  Next go to 400 and repeat the process.  By working in that manner you can determine what distance the reticle marks represent. Often the marks will be some distance inbetween but keep notes on your results and you will be able to know where to hold over to shoot a particular distance.  One other thing that causes people trouble is that they do not understand that a second focal plane reticle scope the balistic reticle is only true at the highest power.  With a FFP first focal plane scope like the Super Sniper 3-9 or 1-4 hold over is true at all powers.  So if you use a 2-7 Viper you may wish to test it at 7x and also test it at 2x  and at each power the first line below centere will represent a different distance because the reticle remains the same size but as you dial down in power the field of view side to side becomes much wider angle.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

I have the 2-7 viper with BDC and have had it on a .35 rem and a 7mm-08 with no problems at all. another member here has his on a 375 H&H mag., and has had no problems either. I cant remember if his is BDC or C3, but I dont think you will have any problems with the BDC on any rifle you wish to put it on!

that would be me, i have a c3 versa plex on mine, and for the close shots i generally take in the thick timber up here is works like a champ. what a scope for the money.



with just a little effort you could mount that scope a little lower...

i wasnt sure if the super lows would clear.
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   I never thought you could get one too low but I may have.  I've got my Viper mounted on Weaver bases w/the lowest Weaver rings I could find.  I have to raise my head slightly to get a full image. I'll know more when I get to shoot it.
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You will have to go out and pick up a viper and look through it. Then you can compare it to the 4200.
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