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Here goes my first letter….

 

Firstly, Hi all, and what a great site! So much great info here… came about this site when searching for optic reviews.

 

Okay, to the point. I have recently started long range varmint (rabbits hares magpies etc) with my HB Tika .22-250   After some experimenting with handloads, have managed to get sub ½ MOA groups, which pleased me no end. The trouble is that I have a pretty naff scope onboard, which is great during good light days, but much of my shooting takes place at twilight. The damnable frustrating part is that I have Swarovski 8.5 X 42 EL Binos (I slept with them for the first few nights after getting them..!!), anyway, they see long into the twilight, I can see rabbits everywhere, then I pick up the rifle, and cant see a dam thing through the scope!!!

 

So, question is what scope to put on! The present one is 6-18x50 Whitetail classic, which I may put on my Ruger .223

 

My criteria is this:

Must be exceptional in low light conditions

Should be side focus (rules out Swarovski)

Preferably have a illuminated reticule

Minimum 18x (prefer more)

Budget up to $2000

 

I have an idea to go for Zeiss (used then before on friend’s rifle). Either a conquest, which means I would save many $$$ or a victory, and have the choice of an illuminated reticule.

 

Any constructive advice would be grateful here! Also reticule advice (I believe you can have the Zeiss reticules changed if you want to later)…. And best place to buy too! One last thing, I live in New Zealand, so unsure about restrictions on buying scopes from the US…. Maybe anyone could suggest help here too.

 

Thanks all.

 

 

 

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http://www.swfa.com/pc-1474-665-kahles-3-10x50-helia-cl-riflescope.aspx so many good scopes to pick from this is just one for you to look at.....
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Kahles Helia CL scopes are probably ideal for your needs, unless you have to have illumination.  If illumination is important, take a look at Kahles Helia CSX scopes.

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I would say, irrespective of the scope you decide on, make sure it has at least a 50mm objective lens. A 56mm would even be better if you do not mind the bulk/size.
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Man are you ever in a great position with a budget like that. i would look at the IOR line as they have some very good scopes that fall well in that price point, they might be slightly behind Swaro, Zeiss Etc. Only slightly though, and they have a fantastic reticle, which is illuminated.
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get the diavari 6x24x56 with the illuminated reticle (probably the varmit), conquest isn't even close. (against this scope, not much in anything comes close)

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Hey britguy
 
I'm looking at scopes for NZ at the moment too (in the UK for a while, but hoping to buy from the US). I am almost set on an IOR, but they are hard to get hold of in the UK (all going to the US market according to the local IOR agent). They are also hard to get out of the US. Good news is that there is a NZ agent, so local support is available, although you'll probably pay a bit more than US prices to buy in NZ.
 
Good luck with your choice - nice budget to work with!
 
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

get the diavari 6x24x56 with the illuminated reticle (probably the varmit), conquest isn't even close. (against this scope, not much in anything comes close)

 
I agree with Dale.  The Zeiss Diavari 6-24X56 meets all of your criteria except price limit.  However, it is only slightly above your budget, and the illuminated Rapid Z varmint reticle would be a nice match for your .22-250.
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i would suggest kahles CBX or zeiss diavari, also - great top notch optics.
 
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The CBX and CSX are fantastic scopes!  They just don't offer the side focus and "minimum 18X (prefer more)" that britguy wanted.



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I agree on the Diavari, want low light and illumination: that's the ticket.

The other options are to go IOR or Nightforce - but the Zeiss beats them both on low light and clarity.

Wanna shave a few hundred off the $2,000, get IOR or Nightforce; want the best you can get, buy the Diavari. 

Sleeping with optics: damn, you brits are strange.
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I'm green with envy   Big%20Grin  and I'd sleep with those Bino's as well!  Good luck with the scope!

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What scope do you have now? Might help with the comparison. You will transmit much more with a lower power than the 18 mentioned. The Kahles Medic 52 mentioned is an awesome twilight scope.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone… I have taken on board everything you have said, and I think I am leaning toward the Zeiss Victory 6-24x56 T* Diavari with Illuminated reticule. I can get one through the UK for about $2000 (and no export problems unlike the US).

 

The obvious question begs, what reticule?  I have never used a Mil-dot, but I hear they are great once you get used to them. I think I have seen a book on some website some place that explains how to use them, along with some sort of chart?

            When making a purchase like this, the obvious thing is to take a good look at it first, but seeing I’m sort of in the back and beyond, I’m sure there isn’t any store locally that stock them.

            I don’t need to question the feel or quality, as I know you cant go wrong with Zeiss, but just would like to take a look to see if I could get on with the reticule. I remember one that I looked at, and the reticule looked so fine that it would be easy to lose it when looking at a dark objective, that’s another reason I favoured the illuminated one.

 

Lastly, to you Rancid…. Whats wrong with sleeping with a quality pair of Euro-Bino’s? Its not like I bought a cheap sleazy pair from some back street ally! Even the wife didn’t object…. Sort of a ménage à trios….. I may even introduce her to the new scope when she arrives!   Wink

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rapid z with the varmit reticle, -- or sleeping with something from the phillipines
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

rapid z with the varmit reticle, -- or sleeping with something from the phillipines


errrrrm.... yup, have to admit to that too!Roll%20Eyes

but back to the reticule..... the rapid Z Varmint, thats the one i was looking at i think...
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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

rapid z with the varmit reticle, -- or sleeping with something from the phillipines
 
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+1 on the illuminated Rapid Z varmint, ideal for a .22-250.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

rapid z with the varmit reticle, -- or sleeping with something from the phillipines
 
Laugh%20Above
 
+1 on the illuminated Rapid Z varmint, ideal for a .22-250.
 


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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

...sleeping with something from the phillipines
 
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That says it all right there...


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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

...sleeping with something from the phillipines
 
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That says it all right there...


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+1 on the illuminated Rapid Z varmint, ideal for a .22-250.
 
 
Want a Victory like this sooooo bad! If I had your $$$ it would be at my house already.
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The Z reticule really looks great. I have the Leupold Varmint reticule, which is similiar and I love it.
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I just can't wrap my arms around these "special" reticles....... I've never hunted Pdogs with a quality weapon capable of 500 yd shots, so maybe that's why.  Most of the coyotes we shoot at are in HIGH gear and I don't think these reticles are very usefull on moving targets.  Right or wrong on that? 
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Tip69, you are right. Any reticule with more then one aimpoint becomes "busy" and confusing. So when the action is fast and furious (like in a Chuck Norris movie), less is better. But when things slow down and you have time to take it all in, these varmint and other style reticules becomes an aid. Like everything in life, you need to train, practise and use it. Soon it becomes second nature and can take a lot of guesswork out of the shooting.
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does anything work on moving targets???  the christmas tree reticles work in the sense that they are usually 5moa and 10 moa which usually corresponds to 5 mph and 10 mph at that distance--- I don't think you can ask for of such a difficult shot.
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