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Im doing some research for optics on my next rifle purchase (Cooper Excalibur in .270). I currently have Leupold VX-3's on my rifles and like them but i know there are better quality optics out there; not that im dissatisfied with my Leupys. Im considering Swarovski American, Zeiss Conquest, Leupold VX-3, and Kahles Helia CL. Something in the 12-15 power range 50mm and $1000 max. Im not necessarliy looking for the best optics but the best value out of these options. (Is a $1000 Swarovski that much better than a $600 Leupold or Zeiss?) Also I would rate importance of qualities for me as 1.mechanics
2.durability 3.glass. Please give me suggestions on which of these scopes you recommend. Preferably those who own of have compared multiple brands.
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kahles is excellent for the money check this out but make sure you read the whole first post carefully otherwise it wont make sense.
 
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A Conquest is better than a VX-III.  Zeiss also has a great CS Dept.  I'd look at the Swaro. AVs first and the Zeiss Conquests second.  I own several VX-IIIs and there are better deals for less coin (ie. Bushnell 4200, Nikon Monarchs).
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Question on the Kahles: Although I can find the model Im interested in (Helia CL 4-12x52) it seems like they might be discontinued, because not many places carry that specific model. Is there anything to that?

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Here, look at the samplelist.com. Great deals on trade ins and returns/refurb
 
6858 Kahles 4-12x52 CL Multizero 51733, Matte finish, plex reticle, 1" tube, side focus, fast focus eye piece, allows you to zero your scope at five different ranges, no ring marks, close to new condition. $1,353.00 $999.95
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+1 on what Trigger said.  Here is another good deal:
 
9198 Swarovski 4-12x50 American 52032, Matte finish, plex reticle, 1" tube, ballistic turret allowing for 4 different range settings, fast focus eye piece, like condition. $1,275.00 $999.95
I bought a Kahles CL 3-10X50 off the samplelist and its a GREAT way to buy a high $ scope!  I highly recommend it!
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here's another:
 
8447 Zeiss 3-12x56 Conquest 5214709904, Matte finish, #4 reticle, 30mm tube, fast focus eye piece, light ring marks. $1,190.00 $899.95
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Here, look at the samplelist.com. Great deals on trade ins and returns/refurb
 
6858 Kahles 4-12x52 CL Multizero 51733, Matte finish, plex reticle, 1" tube, side focus, fast focus eye piece, allows you to zero your scope at five different ranges, no ring marks, close to new condition. $1,353.00 $999.95
 
for some reason, this one is less:
8707 Kahles 4-12x52 Helia CL Multizero 51733, Matte finish, plex reticle, 1" tube, side focus, fast focus eye piece, allows you to zero your scope at five different ranges, close to new condition. $1,392.00 $799.95
 
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bowej,
 
To answer your question concerning Kahles - Legacy Sports International was the importer.  The following statement is on their site:
 
IMPORTANT NOTICE: With the impending sale of Kahles Optics by Swarovski Optik, Legacy Sports International has chosen to cease the sale and service of Kahles riflescopes and binoculars effective November 1, 2008. For warranty issues, please contact SONA by telephone at 866-606-8779, by e-mail at info@kahles.at or by mail at Kahles Repair, P.O. Box 21004, Cranston, RI 02920-1004 .
 
That being the case, the scopes are really nice and I decided to purchase the same scope that you mentioned.  I was able to get a quality scope and save some money at the same time.
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This would probably fit the bill also. Maybe not quite as nice as the Kahles, but in the same ball-park. Also available with Rapid-Z reticle, if you have been known to take long shots.
 


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So are the Kahles no longer going to be available after everyone sells what they have in stock?
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i dont think so.
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Here's the latest about Kahles Service and Repair.

The 866-606-8779 number is not for SONA, it's for Kahles. There's one Kahles rep here in the states, Herman, and the 866 number is now directed to his home office in New Hampshire. He appears to be very nice guy by the way.

If you need  to send the scope back, send it to Kahles Repair PO Box 21004, Cranston, RI 02920-1004 and not the SONA address
(which is also in Cranston, RI). This PO Box address is a staging area at the US Post Office where about once a week or so (depending on how much product has accumulated) everything is collected by SONA personnel who in turn repackage and send back to Kahles in Austria for repair.

The email address is correct. info@kahles.at

I would suggest calling or emailing Kahles before just sending the scope to the address provided.
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Edited by mike650 - December/15/2008 at 21:27
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I sure as hell hope they'll still be available.... I love mine..... ok ok ok.... I really like mine!  I love my family, but if you could love an inanimate object, it would be my CL. Wink
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From all ive heard and read i really want the Kahles cl 4-12 especially at some of the prices you can find them at now. Im just really wary of spending that money on something that may be a hastle to repair or repair at all (not that i would expect anything to happen). Might just go with a Swarovski American to be safe.
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I have nine Coopers with one more pending.  They are incredible rifles deserving of the best glass. I heavily weigh cost vs performance when I buy scopes, research the hell out of them, and buy most from SWFA. Three guns wear Zeiss scopes, three wear Kahles scopes with one IOR, one Nikon and one Leupold rounding out.  Even for the money, the Kahles were way better than anything Leupold make up to the VX-III line...in my opinion.  I actually bought three Leupolds first and ended up replacing them. The Zeiss scopes are a little behind the Kahles but have far more variety for different uses.  The one diminutive IOR (4x32 on a .257 Roberts) may honestly be my best glass.  Doing it all over I guess I would do Zeiss instead given that Kahles is going over and out.  I have never had a problem with one and will certainly seriously consider another one for the next rifle, even with the service question mark.
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cooper deserves to have there asses handed to them for writing a $1000 check to the obama campaign fund too!
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

cooper deserves to have there asses handed to them for writing a $1000 check to the obama campaign fund too!
 
"Them" meaning plural?  It was just Dan who wrote the check.  Why punish "them" and cripple an American gunmaker and employees?  It's just Dan who needs the spankin' no?
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well ok maybe just dan, but i think the board of directors spanked him anyway, but still thats a dumb thing to do especially for custom outfit like that.
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Yeah, that's the way I understand it too.  The board spanked him.  I know some folks who get to go shoot at his ranch every summer.  They pass around Dan's personal 223 Montana Varminter with over 30,000 rounds through it and I've heard it still shoots pretty good too.  They all say Dan is quite a character and end up shaking their heads grinning when saying it.  I get the impression he's kinda squirrely.
 
Cooper sets up all the new interesting guns for the year and they shoot aspirins at 100yds.


Edited by Horsemany - December/19/2008 at 22:46
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