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Although I think I already know the answer to my question, I'll ask to make sure. The only dumb question is the one that's not asked!

So, if you have a new gun...mount a new scope....what are your steps to get it sighted in (after bore sighting of course)

Do you blast a box of ammo through her allowing the barrel to cool after every shot before you even start to worry about adjusting the scope?

Do you try to sight her in at 100 getting her on the paper and then fine tuning?

Do you clean after every few shots?

Is there a "proper" way???---Bboy623


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Are you trying to get your woman straightened out........or sight in a rifle?
 
Can't help with the woman, but bore sight the rifle, shoot 2, adjust accordingly.
You can't afford enough ammo to damage the barrel due to heat.
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To break in a new barrel, the proceedure that I follow is for the first ten shots to clean after every shot by pushing a cotton patch saturated in solvent thru the barrel. Follow this with a bronze brush that has been dipped in solvent ten passes thru the barrel. Follow this with another saturated patch and then one or two dry ones. For the next twenty shots do the same proceedure after every five shots. I have good results with this. It is a little work, but worth it. Also don't forget to clean your brush afterwards or the solvent will destroy it.
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The method I use can be found at:
 
 
I have had good luck with the process.
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I use a method very similar to trigger slap's, and yes, I do break in the barrel before I zero the rifle.
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No official break in for me. I just clean the bejebers out of the rifle BEFORE I fire the first round and go from there. 
Used the Tubbs bullet system, clean for 20, etc.....I just don't see the benefit, but.....  
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This is like the age old what gun is more accurate.  There are many many proven methods.  There are many many "INSANELY" religous people thinking clean after each time you shoot for the first "x" number of times.  There are some that have 1000+ rounds down range with no cleaning and still group great.  I've tried it all and have seen no difference yet.  Only thing i can tell you to do is clean it before the first shot.  There is often dust, dirt, oil, grease, bugs, etc.  down the barrel that you dont' want in there when you start slinging lead.
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 "This is like the age old what gun is more accurate."
 
 YEP!
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

No official break in for me. I just clean the bejebers out of the rifle BEFORE I fire the first round and go from there. 
Used the Tubbs bullet system, clean for 20, etc.....I just don't see the benefit, but.....  


My sentiments exactly. Excellent

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There are no specific rules as to how "properly" break the barrel in. There is a good article on the 6mmbr site stating that this is not necessary at all. Krieger, in my view, explains it very well here:
 
 
As far as sighting in, whatever range you choose, make sure you can group at that range consistently.
If you are all over the paper at 100, it will make no sense to move up to 200 Loco Believe it or not but I have seen THAT happen and not just once...
 
 
 


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Originally posted by Mike McDonald Mike McDonald wrote:

You can't afford enough ammo to damage the barrel due to heat.
 
Throat erosion is a serious issue. And it does not take a lot of ammo. Keep the barrel cool when shooting at paper. Maximum of 5 rounds in quick succesion if you must. Then let the barrel cool.
Better still just enjoy a slow rate of fire, say 1 round every 30 sec, again max of 5.
 
In the heat of the battle (hunt) and you have to let rip, well...once in a while is OK. But do that every session at the range and you will half the accurate life of the barrel.
 
You may as well use your "break in shots" to sight your scope in. Mostly break in consists just of some frequent cleaning of the barrel for the first 20 rounds or so.


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 "You may as well use your "break in shots" to sight your scope in."
 
 Or your fireforming loads.  Works for me.
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This was my question exactly...thanks for the post and all the replies.  I hope to be sighting in my new Savage in a week or two.Yippee
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I have a 300win mag I have shot 400 times and it is still not broken in. I might need to start cleaning it soon also, there was a little dust on the stock the other day after beating some brush down with it.
 
I honestly don't thin there is a wrong way to wear the new off a rifle. I have tryed a few and all the same things happened. I pulled trigger hit what I was aiming at.
 
 
 
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I would not start at 100yds. But probably 50yds at the most. And if you are not on paper at 50 yds move the target closer. Once you are on paper at 50 yds you can then move out to 100yds. No need to zero at 50, you just want to know you are some where around the center of the target.

As far as breaking in a barrel, I do it because it is easier to clean in the long run. This is probably the most realistic method.

http://benchrest.netfirms.com/Barrel%20Break-In.htm

And just checking, do you have a bore guide? If not do not clean until you have one.
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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

I have a 300win mag I have shot 400 times and it is still not broken in. I might need to start cleaning it soon also, there was a little dust on the stock the other day after beating some brush down with it.
 
 
 
 
 
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what loads, if your working up reloads with the gun at the same time, it could get confusing, at any rate , bolt action rifles --no worry, semi-autos-- problems start to happen, for a hard question how do you break in the barrel on a NFA weapon (select fire) if a bolt is such an up for grabs question.?
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This debate has always baffled me. People say that you can ruin a barrell faster by cleaning it than shooting it. ????     How is putting a brush, patch etc throug your barrel worse for it than blasting a bullit through it at really high speed followed by high temperature gas. Then I hear about people running bore polish through there barrels. So wait we have to be super carefull when cleaning it but then we can run an abrasive through our barrel to polish up the barrel. Do that too much and you will wear out your barrel.  Shoot clean shoot clean shoot clean. It all seems a bit unecessary in my book. If using brass or aluminum cleaning rods I dont think you have to worry so much about the cleaning rod wearing out your crown unless you clean your  gun a billion times and wear out a few hundred cleaning rods.  The Steel of the barrell is much harder than your barrel. Unless your using a stainless steel rod impbedded with diamond powder I dont think you have to worry too much.  The one thing I will say though is try  not to overheat the barrel. Even saying that you would have to get the barrell really hot to ruin it. Accuracy will be affected if the barrel gets too hot but that does not necessarily mean your barrel is now done. Let it cool and it will come back. Overheat it too often and it will eventually wear out but so will anything that gets used. I would also say make sure the bore is clean before shooting, get out copper and any other dust build up etc.  Rust in my opinion is the real barrel killer from moisture, corrossive powders etc. 
 
I am careful when I clean my guns but I  take everything I hear with a grain of salt. remember that a lot of these places want you to buy what they sell. Many a time what was not necessary before now is thought to be totally necessary because we are made to believe it is necessary by a company who wants us to buy what they are selling.
 
Just my opinion.
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Originally posted by saitotiktmdog saitotiktmdog wrote:

This debate has always baffled me. People say that you can ruin a barrell faster by cleaning it than shooting it. ????     How is putting a brush, patch etc throug your barrel worse for it than blasting a bullit through it at really high speed followed by high temperature gas. Then I hear about people running bore polish through there barrels. So wait we have to be super carefull when cleaning it but then we can run an abrasive through our barrel to polish up the barrel. Do that too much and you will wear out your barrel.  Shoot clean shoot clean shoot clean. It all seems a bit unecessary in my book. If using brass or aluminum cleaning rods I dont think you have to worry so much about the cleaning rod wearing out your crown unless you clean your  gun a billion times and wear out a few hundred cleaning rods.  The Steel of the barrell is much harder than your barrel. Unless your using a stainless steel rod impbedded with diamond powder I dont think you have to worry too much.  The one thing I will say though is try  not to overheat the barrel. Even saying that you would have to get the barrell really hot to ruin it. Accuracy will be affected if the barrel gets too hot but that does not necessarily mean your barrel is now done. Let it cool and it will come back. Overheat it too often and it will eventually wear out but so will anything that gets used. I would also say make sure the bore is clean before shooting, get out copper and any other dust build up etc.  Rust in my opinion is the real barrel killer from moisture, corrossive powders etc. 
 
I am careful when I clean my guns but I  take everything I hear with a grain of salt. remember that a lot of these places want you to buy what they sell. Many a time what was not necessary before now is thought to be totally necessary because we are made to believe it is necessary by a company who wants us to buy what they are selling.
 
Just my opinion.


Improper cleaning is how to ruin it.  If you rod flexes it can cause the connection of the rod to brush to scratch on the barrel pitting a nice mark in it.  Not using a close to the bore size rod can damage your barrel, not using a coated rod can damage your barrel.  Pulling your patches back and forth through the barrel after they are covered in gunk can hurt your barrel.  They should be pushed out the end and discarded.  Uneven pressure on your rod can create wear spots on the barrel.  Not using a good bore guide will ruin your barrel.  Lots of ways to mess it up.

That is why you just shoot the dang thing til accuracy falls off and then clean it, and make sure you have learned how to do it properly and have the right equipment.  At least thats what has worked for me.  Big Grin


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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by saitotiktmdog saitotiktmdog wrote:

This debate has always baffled me. People say that you can ruin a barrell faster by cleaning it than shooting it. ????     How is putting a brush, patch etc throug your barrel worse for it than blasting a bullit through it at really high speed followed by high temperature gas. Then I hear about people running bore polish through there barrels. So wait we have to be super carefull when cleaning it but then we can run an abrasive through our barrel to polish up the barrel. Do that too much and you will wear out your barrel.  Shoot clean shoot clean shoot clean. It all seems a bit unecessary in my book. If using brass or aluminum cleaning rods I dont think you have to worry so much about the cleaning rod wearing out your crown unless you clean your  gun a billion times and wear out a few hundred cleaning rods.  The Steel of the barrell is much harder than your barrel. Unless your using a stainless steel rod impbedded with diamond powder I dont think you have to worry too much.  The one thing I will say though is try  not to overheat the barrel. Even saying that you would have to get the barrell really hot to ruin it. Accuracy will be affected if the barrel gets too hot but that does not necessarily mean your barrel is now done. Let it cool and it will come back. Overheat it too often and it will eventually wear out but so will anything that gets used. I would also say make sure the bore is clean before shooting, get out copper and any other dust build up etc.  Rust in my opinion is the real barrel killer from moisture, corrossive powders etc. 
 
I am careful when I clean my guns but I  take everything I hear with a grain of salt. remember that a lot of these places want you to buy what they sell. Many a time what was not necessary before now is thought to be totally necessary because we are made to believe it is necessary by a company who wants us to buy what they are selling.
 
Just my opinion.


Improper cleaning is how to ruin it.  If you rod flexes it can cause the connection of the rod to brush to scratch on the barrel pitting a nice mark in it.  Not using a close to the bore size rod can damage your barrel, not using a coated rod can damage your barrel.  Pulling your patches back and forth through the barrel after they are covered in gunk can hurt your barrel.  They should be pushed out the end and discarded.  Uneven pressure on your rod can create wear spots on the barrel.  Not using a good bore guide will ruin your barrel.  Lots of ways to mess it up.

That is why you just shoot the dang thing til accuracy falls off and then clean it, and make sure you have learned how to do it properly and have the right equipment.  At least thats what has worked for me.  Big Grin
I am not saying its impossible to damage a barrel by cleaning it I just think its unlikely that you can damage the barrel enough in one cleaning to render  the rifle innaccurate. Maybe after years and years of improper cleaning, but then its just as likely that the barrel wear is due to regular use.  I would like to see some actual test results that prove this.   My cleaning rods are brass and I find it hard to believe that a slight touch to the inside of my barrel is going to ruin my barrel.  I am sure if was wa sa complete idiot and jammed whatever down the barrel to clean it I would probably damage it. Repeated improper cleaning and cleaning way more than is necessary maybe.
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Originally posted by saitotiktmdog saitotiktmdog wrote:

Repeated improper cleaning and cleaning way more than is necessary maybe.


I think that is one of the big keys right there.  If a person shoots 1 round and cleans for 20 or 30 rounds and then cleans their gun every 20 rounds after that and is always doing it very wrong, then I bet they would damage that barrel very quick.  That is a lot of cleaning, and some people really feel it is necessary to do that.  Waste of time IMO.

That is why I never clean my barrels until accuracy falls off.  i think I am cleaning them right, but I am sure some things I do are probably not good for them. 

Mike Mcdonald said he ruined a barrel by putting a big scratch in it by using a bad bore guide.  Will that hurt a typical hunting a plinking barrel?  Maybe not enough, but for a precision rifle barrel probably so.  I guess it would depend upon what your need definition of accurate would be.  I am sure an inconsistancy like a big scratch in the barrel could cause random fliers and things like that.  Again for hunting maybe not a big deal, but precision shooting maybe so.


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