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Topic: what up with Kahles
Posted By: nitis
Subject: what up with Kahles
Date Posted: February/14/2008 at 17:31
So I called the number off of the kahles site to get some info as far as warranty and what not for a Kahles multizero refurb off of samplelist the number had a recorded message that said to contact legacy sports out of Reno nevada.  So I did and they had no knowledge of swfa or samplelist ( probably did but viewed them more as a competitor and did not want to share).  Then he procede to tell me the kx model had multizero which according to the website is false.
 
My question is who is going to warranty the scopes and for how long if the place you are supposed to contact for help does not either know or want to help?
 
Anyone have any insight on this?



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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/14/2008 at 17:56

Kahles just recently parted ways with Swarovski of North America in Cranston, RI and they are now being imported by Legacy Sports.  Since this change just happened within the past 2 months, it's highly likely that some of the folks at Legacy are just not up to speed on the Kahles line yet and they don't have all their facts straight.  Kahles makes an excellent product, but time will tell whether or not Legacy is a good distributor and service center for them.  The relationship is just too new right now, so it's anyone's guess how the new Kahles/Legacy partnership will work out.

One thing that ticks me off, though, is when someone who is supposed to know the product they're selling yet obviously doesn't know what they're talking about gives you a bunch of techical b.s. instead of simply being honest and saying "sir, I don't know the answer to your question, but let me find out for you."  That totally destroys their credibility.


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Posted By: jackG
Date Posted: February/14/2008 at 20:30
I had planned on purchasing a Kahles 4-12X52 this spring.  However, this is discouraging news.   I immediately started looking at other option.  Do he low light capabilities and overall quality, I've been pretty well set on the German glass. 
 
It appears to me that among the Swarovski, Kahles and Zeiss, that the American, American hunter/KX, and the Conquest are comparable.  It was my understanding that the Kahles CL is a bit better. What Swarovsky and Zeiss models are comparable to the CL?
 
How does say a Ziess Conquest 4.5-14X44 or a Conquest 3-12X56 compare to the CL?  The 56 mm objective seems kind of awkward for a hunting rifle.  For that matter, what about the American lightweight in 3-10X42 Swarovski?  How do all these compare?
 
And at the end of the day how do they all compare to say a VXIII or a Mark 4?  


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: February/15/2008 at 07:58
From what I can tell so far the conquest doesn't have quite as good a glass as the kahles, both in resolution and brightness. With that said after comparing the two, I prefer the conquest finish, the less critical eye position, the slightly longer eye relief, and by far the reticle. With the changeover kahles is requiring their scopes to be sent across the pond for service and I don't know how long it will take for them to get back to stateside warranty and service work. I would expect even after set-up it will take a while for the employees to actually attain the level of experience they had at SONA. All in all I find the slight increase in optics to not be worth the trade-off in other areas and to not justify the extra $ required to own the kahles at this point. Maybe somewhere down the road if $ don't jump after the current sell-off of existing stock is over. Also I just haven't hit a situation yet in 6 years of low light deer hunting where the conquest has failed to provide me with enough brightness and resolution to be able to make a shot with that easy to see z-plex. Just my view I guess.....

Focus

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 12:30
All legitimate points, Dave.  My thinking on this comparison is:
 
- Right now, there are some excellent deals on Kahles scopes because of current pricing.
- Although I totally agree with you on preferring the Zeiss Z-Plex over the much thinner Kahles plex, I would choose the 4A in the Kahles anyway, which is just as visible as the Z-Plex.
-  The change from SONA to Legacy doesn't mean all that much to me.  I'm willing to take a chance on my scope not needing any service for a long time to come, at least until the service center logistics are all worked out.  There have been only 2 times in my life I've ever had to send any brand/model of scope in for service work and in one of those two occasions, it was because I accidentally dropped the scope onto a rock, bending the ocular.  The other occasion involved a mechanical problem with a scope 25 years ago.  I've never had any quality control problems with Kahles, or for that matter, any scope costing over $200.
- I think both series of scopes are excellent, though to my eyes, I think Kahles' optics are a significant enough of an improvement over the Conquest that I personally think the extra $ is worth it.  However, I like variety and can't justify spending Kahles $ on all my scopes, so for me, the choice between the two would generally come down to which series offers a model combination I like better for a given rifle rather than optical qualities.
- Conquest does offer a much better selection of reticles, depending on your intended use.
- Conquest has a little longer eye relief, Kahles has a little more FOV (when comparing equivalent models)
- It annoys me that Zeiss uses plastic turret caps and W/E knobs, even though I realize that is probably meaningless to actual longevity/durability.
- Kahles 1" scopes has far fewer models to choose from than is offered with the Conquest line.


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Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 12:38
Methinks you dudes worry too much about Warranties! Stiring%20The%20Pot   


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 13:36
Warranties are nothing to worry about.......till you need em'.....than they become most important. Hit a zeiss plastic cap with a mallet......than hit any make aluminum.....see which one collapses first and easiest. FOV just isn't as important to me as Eye Relief. Haven't heard any statement yet that kahles will even have any local service/warranty center stateside......believe me all scopes can and do fail on occasion. Sending a scope to europe is not as easy or as cost efficient as staying in the US.....Good points all, but I think I'll take a wait and see approach with kahles at this point.

   Focus

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 13:42

everybody has products that fail, even leupold and nightforce.



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Posted By: HuntMaster
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 14:26
Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

Methinks you dudes worry too much about Warranties! Stiring%20The%20Pot   
  
 
What he said !Coffee


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 14:56
( Did I do good?                                      "ONCE IN A WHILE".........Bow)       Maybe I ain't so old a dinosaur.....or, maybe, I just have company? 


Posted By: Duce
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 15:00
Legacy sports is a wholesaler they don't sell retail, I have had good service from them in the past on rifles, no experience with them on scopes. You may want to address your questions to the retailer in this case SWFA I would call them on the phone and I think you will have all your Smilewarranty questions answered.
 
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Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 15:11
Those questions are already answered.......you have to send kahles back to the home factory at this point. They have no stateside repair facility at all. SONA no longer works on kahles. Legacy is the new distributer in US, SWFA would be a retailer in US.....but there is NO service center in the US at this point in time. Warranties aren't needed at all unless something happens to your scope......then unless you can do your own repairs warranty becomes most important. I sell and ship to other countries, I don't want to have to send any scopes I own overseas for any warranty or repair work. Thats why I will choose to wait till things are sorted out on kahles end....if that doesn't bother you or you're sure you won't need any repair or warranty work, cool....

Focus

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Posted By: jackG
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 18:28
I confess, that's exactly what has me concerned.  Based on everything I've seen and read, the kahles appears to be a nearly perfect fit for my purposes.  However, when I stick a new scope on that rifle, it's to go hunting. And I'm having trouble envisioning shipping it off,  to God knows where to have it fixed as hunting season come barreling down  the track. That is, in the event there are problems with it. 
 
I hope they get this straightened out before say, mid summer, as that's when I'm gearing up to hunt.  If not, then it's got to be another brand. 


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 19:37
I am not a very prolific hunter, but for my "go to" hunting rifle (a Tikka in 280Rem), I have two scopes sighted in a ready to go.  Whether the repair facility for a scope is in US or elsewhere, I am not going to have to depend on the scope coming back on time.  Same goes for all my rifles used for anything important: I either have a back-up scope sighted in for it, or I have spare scope or two lying in the safe that can go onto any rifle.

Now these spare or backup scopes do not have to be anything fancy.  They just have to hold zero.  In my case, I have Sightron S2 3-9x42, Sightron S1 3-9x40 and Burris Compact 4x20 as my spare scopes.  I have used all three for quite a while on a number of rifles and they have never changed zero on me.

My primary scopes tend to be a bit more expensive, but my back-up scope can also do the job in a pinch.

ILya


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 19:48
Sounds to me like a work in progress.  It has not been that long since the breakoff, and based on previous posts, the company plans on some growth, which would need to include the US of A.  Not having a service center for their product line here, would not be a very good business move on their part, and I really cannot imagine them failing to provide one here in fairly short order.  They seemed to have been pretty cagey about not letting on to Swarovski all that their R&D department has come up with, so they have been planning their move for quite some time now.  That would include a service center for their lineup in the United States as part of the planning process.  They also have a history of a quality product.  Anyone having problems with their new Kahles?  Their customer base will let them know about it post haste if they fail to get their act together.  
 
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Posted By: jackG
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 21:00
Koshkin - great point.  My current hunting rifle is a Tikka T3 Lite  SS in 270 WSM.  It is providing transporation for a Sightron Sll, 3-9X42, which is a pretty nice scope, especially for the price.  I used it to fill several tags last year in open field hunting and it worked very well.  So, it would certainly serve as a backup when I get it replaced.
 
I took a look at the Zeiss scopes.  The Conquest line is not, as I understand it, equivalent to the Kahles CL.  However a 4.5-14X50 can be had new, for $50 more that what a 4-12X42 CL Kahles can be gotten from the SWFA Sample list. 
 
If I'm going to drop that kind of money, I wonder if the Ziess is a "settle-for," compared to the Kahles CL.  When I think about it, it's a pretty happy dilemma, because one way or another, I'm ramping up the glass on that rifle.  I've not ruled the Swarovski American, but I'm not finding anything over 10X on the sample list that I can justify costwise, at this point. 
 
I was looking for a power upgrade over the Sightron.  Someone suggested to a friend, that a higher quality scope in say 9X or 10X would work as well as a higher powered scope with lower quality glass.  I have no way of knowing whether that suggestion has merit of not.    I may just go  for the Kahles and see what happens. 


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 21:14
I think that Kahles CL is a better scope than the Conquest.  Over the course of the last few months I have played with five different Kahles scopes bought from the Sample List and I have been very happy with them.  Warranty considerations, as I said, are not a major concern for me, so I would go with Kahles.

ILya


Posted By: nitis
Date Posted: February/16/2008 at 23:40
sinc eI started this mess i guess I better chime in
 
If legacy is a wholaler they sure were eager to sell me a scope that they did not even have their specs down correctly?
 
when I called Kahles 800 # on the website it gave me the 3 to legacy for warranty work and they had no knowledge of what kind of warranty would be provided on scopes off of samplelist as he said he has never heard of them or swfa


Posted By: crispycritter
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 03:14
Originally posted by Focus Focus wrote:

Warranties are nothing to worry about.......till you need em'.....than they become most important. 
 

   Focus
 
 
Bingo.
 
I've noticed that most who shrug off questionable warranties and customer service are the ones who go through scopes like they do underwear. It's no big deal when the scope will be someone else's problem next year. Not all, but most.
 
For those who plan on using the scope for many years to come, it's a valid concern.
 
 It would be a bummer to go from a nice scope to a BSA due to no warranty and not being so rich and famous in the future.Big%20Grin


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 08:27

WHAT are you guys DOING to these scopes? I've never had a scope fail. Are they just FLYING APART? ( Maybe it's all those OLD, CRAPPY thirty year old scopes that I've been using!! Those DARN things just WORK ALL THE TIME!!!)  hee hee  Wink         --Ed   

Do you fellers worry about GUN warranties? Hiding

 



Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 08:46
Nitis:
 
Sorry that you got one of those "it's not my job" people over at Legacy.  Did you ask for a supervisor, who might have helped you more? 
 
For those people that have concerns about warranty work, service work, or maybe not purchasing the product because of concerns about a warranty, or service work, I would suggest that you might want to register your concerns with Kahles, in Vienna,  Austria, directly, instead of getting all worked up about it.  SamC got an answer from Birgit via e-mail on the KX model, did he not?   Generally, an actual polite letter to them would be a lot more effective, and I would bet a scope cap that you would receive a very nice letter, answering your concerns!  If you can afford a Kahles scope, you can afford the stamp money to Vienna.  And if you do not want to take the time to write the letter, I guess you really were not all that interested in the product? 
 
MOJO   
 
  


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Posted By: HuntMaster
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 08:50
Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

WHAT are you guys DOING to these scopes? I've never had a scope fail. Are they just FLYING APART? ( Maybe it's all those OLD, CRAPPY thirty year old scopes that I've been using!! Those DARN things just WORK ALL THE TIME!!!)  hee hee  Wink         --Ed   

Do you fellers worry about GUN warranties? Hiding

 

 
True. I have ~ 30 rifles and a few more scopes, and I've never had a scope to fail. That's from a 30.00 up to 1200.00 scope. But I have had guns that needed to go to the smith.
 Don't take me wrong - I am not bashing anyone - but I warranted a scope and a pair of binos out of my own pocket trying to please someone who admitted they dropped from a tree stand. I won't do that again. I will leave it up to the factory. I am dealing with someone who ruined a 3-9x56 by torquing the rings down until they touched, which collapsed the tube and erector (steel) assembly.  


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 08:58
Ed has been out of bed with his morning coffee, raising a ruckus on this forum before 5:30 AM!!!  I'll bet another scope cap that nobody beats Ed out to the sagebrush on opening morning!  What say you , Ed?
 
MOJO


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Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 09:05
Yes!! I've got to get out there to throw those scope covers off before anyone else!!!  HA!Wink


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 09:19
I have not been a member of this forum long enough to find out what happens when Ed and Big Squeeze get going on a hot topic at the same time, but it must be out of this world! 

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Posted By: HuntMaster
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 09:45
Ed, check your mail box.


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 09:52
Huntmaster:  I have not received the message yet! Maybe in a little while....
 
Mojo:  Oh, that reminds me---I need to find out where Big Squeeze is so I can torment him!!       Bucky                 --Ed Devil


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 10:00
Gents, I understand the concern with warranties, but we're not talking about some fly by night new company here.  If they were a brand new company with unknown reputation, I too would be concerned about a temporary inconvenience with regards to warranty service.  And I stress "temporary."  Kahles is the oldest riflescope manufacturer in existence!  They have been making scopes longer than anyone on the planet, even Zeiss.  They are a reputable company who makes a very high quality product.  There's no way that they would tolerate substandard CS for very long.  You don't stay in business since 1898 unless you're doing something right.  Legacy is simply new to importing and servicing scopes.  I have a high degree of confidence that all these issues will be worked out soon. 
 
Personally, if I really like a particular product and I know it is of high quality, I don't care what the warranty terms are, except if I'm comparing two equivalent products I like equally.  I realize if I actually needed warranty service, I would care then.  But hey, I'm willing to take chances, especially given that I own or have owned scopes from over 20 different manufacturers, and except for 1 single occurrence in decades of owning scopes, nobody in my family has ever had one fail.  I highly doubt the vast majority of Kahles scopes sold will ever need warranty service.  I take a chance when I get on an airplane that it won't crash.  I take a chance when I walk outside in a thunderstorm that I won't get struck by lightning.  Every time we get in our cars and drive somewhere, we take chances.  We take reasonable chances every day.  I buy rifles and optics every now and then that have been discontinued and have zero warranty left, some of which are expensive.  That doesn't sway me from buying a quality product.  I routinely modify the guns I buy in some way, either with a trigger job, glass bedding, etc., immediately voiding the factory warranty soon after it comes out of the box.  
 
Does anyone honestly believe that Kahles will go for very long without having fully functional service capabilities here in the States?  They switched importers/service centers, that's all, and they did so very recently.  The new relationship with Legacy is so new, Kahles hasn't even had time to update the CS center info on their website.  Logically, in the event you happen to need service tomorrow and had to send your scope to Austria, it may take longer and be more of a hassle, but do you honestly think the scope wouldn't be fixed to your complete satisfaction?  I honestly don't think it will be long before they will have the same CS capabilities in place with Legacy as they did at SONA, whose CS reps buy the way wouldn't exactly impress you with their knowledge of Kahles products either.  It was most likely because of the fact that SONA looked at Kahles as 2nd class next to Swaro that Kahles decided to make the change to begin with. 


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 10:15
Originally posted by Focus Focus wrote:

Hit a zeiss plastic cap with a mallet......than hit any make aluminum.....see which one collapses first and easiest.
 
The answer is... both and both.  For me, the plastic thing isn't about anything really logical or anything that would ever affect me in real world conditions.  It's about knowing it's made of plastic, a cheaper material than aluminum alloy.  It's about feel and the appearance of the product.  When I pay top $ for a fine piece of equipment, I just want as little plastic on it as possible.  Using that same analogy, why not convert other aluminum parts of the scope such as the scope tube or ocular housing to plastic then?  After all, there are some advanced polymers that can duplicate the desirable structural characteristics of aluminum. 
 
  Wink


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 10:18
I have three Kahles C scopes and I will be getting more. I am not the least bit concerned about warranty work, including shipping something overseas. As Ted already stated, they have been around longer than anyone and aren't going anywhere.
The only hunting scopes that I've seen that are comparable to the C models are the Zeiss Diavari's and Swarovski PH's. There are a few better than these three and then all the rest that are lesser.


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 10:23
Big Squeeze is on the range in sunny California having fun with his Elite 4200 3-9X40, while I freeze my butt off in the freezing rain, soon to be near blizzard conditions, for the upteenth time this winter, in Wisconsin.  Who has the last laugh here?
 
Rifle Dude got it right on his last post.  Good Going Ted!  I'm still waiting for replies on how many people are having problems with their Kahles scopes.  Probably just about the same number of complaints on Conquests, Swarovski's, & S&B's?  


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 10:32
Don't get me wrong, fellas, I'm not trying to say you're wrong for being concerned about warranties; I'm just expressing my own reasoning behind why I'm not concerned about Kahles' ability to back their products and why I highly doubt it would ever be a concern.  I'm also speaking as someone who currently owns 4 of their scopes and 1 of their binoculars.  We all have our own likes and dislikes, none of which are any more or less valid than another.

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Posted By: crispycritter
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 12:52
I don't think anyone is implying the Kahles will turn to dust at the first shot and then be told it's their problem.
It is good to know where a customer stands should a problem arise.


Posted By: jackG
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 17:48
The notion that Kahles will sort this out pretty quickly makes sense.  I'm gonig to contact the parent company and see if they have any estimates regarding how much time it will take to stand up the support system in the US.  I'll pass along anything useful.


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: February/17/2008 at 18:07
Originally posted by Mojo Mojo wrote:

Big Squeeze is on the range in sunny California having fun with his Elite 4200 3-9X40, while I freeze my butt off in the freezing rain, soon to be near blizzard conditions, for the upteenth time this winter, in Wisconsin.  Who has the last laugh here?
 
Rifle Dude got it right on his last post.  Good Going Ted!  I'm still waiting for replies on how many people are having problems with their Kahles scopes.  Probably just about the same number of complaints on Conquests, Swarovski's, & S&B's?  
 
 
 HA-HA!  That's what you get for living in Wisconsin!
 
      Oh, wait........   nevermind.      Stare


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 07:25
I see Ed was up bright and early this morning.  Probably checking out the warranties on those 30 year old scopes of his?  One thing is for sure RONK, he wasn't around to help us shovel out this morning!  I was kinda hoping he would show up.

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Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 14:29
In forty years of shooting and hunting......
Two redfield sixties series steel tubes......reticles fell out after years of use

One leupold Vari x lll that started to wander all over and couldn't hold POI in its second year of use.

One conquest that went tits up with less than 20 rounds and was replaced.

One 3200 elite with terrible parallax problems right out of the box that wouldn't come close to adjusting out. They refunded my money.

One sightron big sky that wouldn't focus right out of the box last year. blurry with a milky haze when looked through. They refunded my money.

Now I agree that for the length of time mentioned thats not a bad record as I shoot several thousand rounds a year and hunt for 4-6 weeks straight every winter not counting varmints. But.........the elite and sightron was last year and the conquest and vari x were in the last four years. See a pattern? Failures and problems are getting more frequent as time goes by and yes every brand can and will fail at some point usually. The more you use em' the more they are prone to failure. I have nothing against kahles but do make some points that sure interest me and for that reason I'll take a wait and see aproach on buying one at this point. On another optics forum I browse there is a fella that just found out he has to send his kahles across the pond to be worked on. A number of people don't even know this is the case right now......besides that I'll wait before putting myself in the position to have to use a facility that doesn't exist yet.....staffed with newbees that haven't even been hired or trained yet.....Sounds like Legacy needs some time to figure out what they are doing also...

I'm sure kahles makes a great scope, but for the reasons I've already given I don't find one to be necessary right now and will let you guys try out the overseas shipping if needed.

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Posted By: nitis
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 15:47
my point is if I spend that much on something it should not have any issues bu If I spend that much on something and it does fail someone better be ready to back it.


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 16:03

         Bucky          Well, I showed up this morning in Columbus, Wisconsin with a spoon to help out..............

Yep, my warranty on them thirty year old scopes must've expired, but SINCE THEY AIN"T BROKEN that's Okay!!! oh, by the way, Focus said the word "tits". Shocked            
 
A Conquest lasted 20  rounds!!!  You better get an old Weaver off of ebay......!!
 


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 16:15
I would rather have new Weaver. I won't though, I'm still on a Kahles binge. Yippee


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 17:07
Originally posted by Ed Connelly Ed Connelly wrote:

        Bucky          Well, I showed up this morning in Columbus, Wisconsin with a spoon to help out..............


Yep, my warranty on them thirty year old scopes must've expired, but SINCE THEY AIN"T BROKEN that's Okay!!! oh, by the way, Focus said the word "tits". Shocked             


A Conquest lasted 20 rounds!!! You better get an old Weaver off of ebay......!!



But I only said it in a most respectful way :>)........with them old thirty year old scopes Ed....how do you know whats dim and dingy with your eyes and whats with the scope? I can really see a difference with the scopes that old compared to todays coatings. Fact I just sold a brand new sixties B&L Balvar 8 that was still in the box. It was kinda dim compared to my newer models. If I got up as early as Ed and drank as much coffee I'd always have plenty to dump on my scope......

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Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 17:20
Gull darnit Ed.  You show up 13 miles off the mark with a spoon?  You're going to need more than a spoon around here.  Then there's RONK's driveway, and right now he's got it worse than me!  You better stick to dealing with the sagebrush. 
 
It will be nice to find out what JackG receives for information from Kahles.  Except for the Redfields (widefields?) Focus only had one of each manufacture break down on him.  I suppose if I owned a Kahles, I would expect someone to service it forthwith, if there was a problem.  Nothing wrong with that thinking.  At least Focus probably has a gunsafe full of back-ups.  Even a Weaver K10, which is a nice scope for the money.  I gotta real feeling that I might be a major disappointment to him.    
 
MOJO .    


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Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 17:45
I once spent half the summer in Columbus! As a matter of fact: I bought my first car in Fort Atkinson!!    ---Ed


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 17:47
i once drank a bunch of beer from chippewa falls and it was yummy

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 18:08
I thought Ed might have been at the AMTrack Station in Columbus waiting for me to pick him up!  You're should be an honorary Badger!  But watch out, if you drink enough of that Leinenkugel from Chippewa Falls (especially if you mix the Berry Weiss with the Honey Weiss in the summertime)  you might end up buying a .270 by accident.  One of them is not that far of a reach from ZERO of them   Heaven forbid if you put a Kahles on top of it.

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MOJO


Posted By: RONK
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 19:53
 
 Well, Mojo, I shoveled snow for a couple hours today and only accomplished about the amount required by village ordinance.
 It really sucks to have to throw it about eight feet high because I'm running out of room to put it!
  The good side of it all is that I only worked about 4 hours today and nobody seemed to care because only about half the crew showed up at all!
 It took me thirty minutes to break into my vehicle this morning, though, because it was literally encased in a layer of ice under more than a foot of fresh snow.
 I'm really getting sick of winter...


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 20:10
Mean%20Computer      Hey, Focus, I had a whole comment all written up and then I did ......something......and it all got erased away!!
 
yes, I agree with you that the new scopes have it all over the old scopes of the 60s and 70s...and 80s! But I still buy old goodies off of ebay that are clear and servicable for hunting.  I do like the new ones, too, though!!    --Ed


Posted By: Mojo
Date Posted: February/18/2008 at 20:11
I suppose that most everybody thought that I was just yankin their chain when I told them you had it worse than me.  Now that they heard it from the man, they can believe it!  I think that Ed is the kind of guy that would have helped us, NO PROBLEM, if he lived around here.  We might have had to let him rip off our scope caps and stomp them into the snow and ice, but he would have helped!  This thread is kinda used up, and we need to get on to other things!

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MOJO


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/19/2008 at 15:50
Yes,..........let's go pester Big Squeeze.........



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