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Topic: 3.5X10X44 vs 3X9X40
Posted By: Slick
Subject: 3.5X10X44 vs 3X9X40
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 12:58
First time poster, great forum a lot of good information here.
 
I am comparing a few different brands of scopes to put on my new Kimber 300 win mag, but I am really leaning towards the Zeiss Conquest line.  I am most interested in the 3.5X10X44 model, but wanted a little advice.  I purchased the gun for a trip to Africa I have planed for May.  Mostly planes game Kudo, Gemsbok, etc... But I  also do a lot of deer hunting, and sometimes Elk here in the states.  My question is really to get an opinion on a 3X9 vs 3.5X10, is it worth giving up the .5 on the low end to get the extra 1.0 mag on the high end?  I also like the 44 that comes with the 3.5X10 vs the 40 with the 3x9, it seems it would be a little better in lower light situations?  Anyone have any suggestions to what you feel is the best reticles for this style of hunting?  Also, any comments about the Zeiss Conquest line would be much appreciated!!  Thanks in advance for the response.



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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 13:23
The extra .5 would likely be barely noticeable, I think the 3.5-10 would be a good mag range. It's a smart choice, You might also want to look at Kahles as well. Check out the Sample list for some great deals. Best of luck to you. Do you plan on hunting in low light? If so look at the heavier reticles and also the Trijicon line of scopes.
Welcome to the OT.


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 13:34
im going to go away from my normal here picture this i know you all have seen it but
kimber rifles look damn hot with a big fat gold ring scope on them, so i would say get a     vx-III in a 3.5x10
but the zeiss is a better scope fro sure, and i dont see where getting a 3.5x10 is going to help you, really how often do you think you will use the highest power while hunting at home or abroad??


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Posted By: Slick
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 13:41
OK, now time for the first timer question...
I have seen some posts about the 'Sample list', but I do not know what or where that is.
 
Thanks for your advice!


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 13:44
It is a web site offered by our hosts here at Optics Talk.
http://www.samplelist.com/ - http://www.samplelist.com/
They offer factory refurbished, demos and used scopes for sale at attractive prices.
BTW, the 3.5-10x40 VariX-III is a solid choice for an all around scope as is the 3-9 or 3.5-10 Conquest. The Zeiss has better glass.
Maybe our friend from South Africa, 8shots, will be around later. He hunts a lot of plains game and likes his Leupy's.


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 13:45
You beat me to it Doug. Great speed bro!!!! 

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 13:48
im serious guys if i can find a picture of one to post i will, they just seem like they were made for each other

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 13:51
something like that, any kimber advertisement in any rifle mag i have ever seen had a leupold scope on it just something about that combo that looks right


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 13:53
need i say more?


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 14:02
Yeah kinda the way my 7400 30-06 wouldn't look right with out the Leupold either. It just seems that they were meant to be.
 
 


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 14:03
More Kimber porn
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 14:08

see even the plastic stocked kimbers look good with a leupold on them.



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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Slick
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 14:18

The last picture is the model that I have, and it does look good.



Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 14:19
i would look good with a stainless steel leupold too! then
http://www.swfa.com/pc-3352-307-leupold-35-10x40-vx-iii-riflescope.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-3352-307-leupold-35-10x40-vx-iii-riflescope.aspx  just like it shows though this is a matte finish, its suppose to be a silver scope


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: antleraddiction
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 15:05
Mounted,  but gun never fired, shipped and insured $415.00


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 15:06
is it for sale, is that what your saying or are you saying "I have one here is what it looks like"?

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: antleraddiction
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 15:10
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

is it for sale, is that what your saying or are you saying "I have one here is what it looks like"?
 
Yes, it is for sale, thought the "shipped and insured" would be pretty clear.  Getting rid of several scopes I do not use. 


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 15:11
you should put that in the for sale area it might go faster!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 15:12
there you go slick clean one owner never been in the field! and cheaper than buying a new one probably any where!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: antleraddiction
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 15:13
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

you should put that in the for sale area it might go faster!
 
I know, but it will probably take me 6 months to get up to 50 posts!  Try not to open my mouth too much, that way I can't be called stupidWink.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 15:17
we arent like that in here! we take care of our people, if we have a bad apple we deal with it, we are here because we want to because we enjoy it, and we will answer any questions we can, dont worry about feeling dumb!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 16:00
That was stupid, antleraddiction.  Big%20Grin    HA!                   LaughRoll%20on%20Floor%20Laughing


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 16:04
Ya'll picking on antler?
Antler it's allright bro, we all have our moments. Bucky


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OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 16:15
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

something like that, any kimber advertisement in any rifle mag i have ever seen had a leupold scope on it just something about that combo that looks right
 
A nice Kimber looks good with most any ol' scope on top.
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9326&PN=4 - http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9326&PN=4
 
 


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 16:22
i know but that damn gold ring for some reason really sets them off, even though i know plenty of other scopes are way better optically, the leupold "looks" awesome

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 16:25
I think Kimber and Leupold have some sort of business deal going, because you never see a Kimber with any other brand of scope mounted on it in their ads.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 16:28
somebody has a good eye at both of those companies, cause they do look great together, to bad for kimber, leupold cant hold up to the same standard

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 17:52
I remember back when the Kimber rifles first came out, Leupold made a scope labeled Kimber for them. Those two companies were just a stone's throw from each other in those days. Smile  --Ed


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/29/2008 at 20:47
true, im sure that had something to do with it. but still a sharp combo

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: January/30/2008 at 09:26
Despite all the "cheesecake" photos and that "sexy" gold ring stuff.....My absolute favorite scope is the conquest 3.5x10x44. The leupold might look sexier.....but the conquest will flat outperform it in hunting conditions. Better glass, better reticle, faster focus, and constant eye relief. Look thru both before you decide......

   Focus

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/30/2008 at 09:56
no doubt there focus

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/30/2008 at 10:40
Slick, in South Africa light or should I say the lack of light is hardly ever a problem. Our winters are clear sunny blue sky. We also mostly hunt from sun-up untill half and hour before sunset. This is in case you wound an animal and some follow-up work is required. Having said that you can be unlucky and encounter rain or overcast weather, especially if you are hunting in the southern parts of South Africa. Poor light can be a problem then.
I personally hunt with a 3,5-10x40, which gives ideal versatility. Most South Africans have the 2,5-9 or so, with either a 40mm or 50mm objective.
I personally go for the 40mm objective, because I do a lot of quick shooting and carrying of my rifle. Weight and bulk must be kept at a minimum.
I have never lacked in scope power  or lack of light on a hunt.
What brand or make? Well depends on your pocket. Mostly the conditions are pretty comfortable and with care a robust scope is not needed.
Obviously you must decide if you are buying the scope only for South Africa or for use back home.
I only use the 3,5 setting for follow-up work and snap shooting in thicker bush. Something you would probably not do on your hunt in South Africa. I doubt if the 0.5X on the lower end would be an issue. The 9x versus 10x on the big end is noticeable. On open plains game you will wish for the 10x.


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: January/30/2008 at 11:55
Quote The 9x versus 10x on the big end is noticeable. On open plains game you will wish for the 10x.


The 1x difference will be noticed at the range when shooting for groups or doing load work-up. Don't seem that big a deal but it is.

Focus



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Posted By: Big Squeeze
Date Posted: January/30/2008 at 12:33
With regards to scope magnification and group size???????..........Go to shootingtimes.com and then click on "optics!" The very first article you see is "Magnification and Group Size."  In that article, the author talks about the differences in 100 yard group sizes using a 1.5x, a 6x and a 35x!! Realistically, between a 9x and 10x, there shouldn`t be any difference in the group sizing at 100 yards, or even 200 yards for that matter!......... Without going back and reading it again, if I`m not mistaken, the difference between either the 1.5x or the 6x vs the 35x,,, was only a 1/4" in group size!!! Not that much difference going from the lower powers all the up to the 35x!!.................The true differences between a 3x9, a 2.5x10, a 3.5x10 and so on, for accuracy purposes, are extremely negligible to say the very least!!

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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/31/2008 at 02:54
I agree with you Big Squeeze. In fact, the facts from a Bisley shoot also speaks volumes. I have read an article where this guy tabulates the total scores as shot by a group using iron sights against those using any telescopic sights. The group in the "iron sights only" scored just as well as the scoped group.
However, when hunting the target becomes a bit more difficult to see, in other words it is not a black circle on a white paper. This is where optics clarity and magnification helps.


Posted By: Slick
Date Posted: February/01/2008 at 18:04
Thanks for all the great input.  After seeing all the input, I think the best bang for the buck for me is going to be the 3-9X40 with the RapidZ reticle.  Looks like I can get this for a little over $500, vs +$700 for the 3.5-10X44 with the same reticle.  From what I am seeing, the 3.5-10 does not seem to have all that much more to offer for the extra price.
 
From what I have read, it seems like the RapidZ reticle performs 'as advertised', anyone had any negitive experiences with this?
 
Thanks again, this is a great forum.  I am glad I found it.


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: February/01/2008 at 18:22

( I love that little Martian fella.....what is his name?  Marvin?  Anybody remember? )

THIS POST HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY IMPORTANT GUN TALK.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: February/01/2008 at 19:17
Originally posted by Slick Slick wrote:

Thanks for all the great input.  After seeing all the input, I think the best bang for the buck for me is going to be the 3-9X40 with the RapidZ reticle.  Looks like I can get this for a little over $500, vs +$700 for the 3.5-10X44 with the same reticle.  From what I am seeing, the 3.5-10 does not seem to have all that much more to offer for the extra price.
 
From what I have read, it seems like the RapidZ reticle performs 'as advertised', anyone had any negitive experiences with this?
 
Thanks again, this is a great forum.  I am glad I found it.
 
i think you will be very happy!


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Slick
Date Posted: February/02/2008 at 08:44
You are correct Ed, his name is Marvin


Posted By: 257WM_CDL-SF
Date Posted: March/25/2009 at 20:12
is pondering the same 2 also



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