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Topic: help with a fixed power target scope
Posted By: pyro6999
Subject: help with a fixed power target scope
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 16:52
i have been thinking of getting a fixed power scope for target shooting, something like a 14x or 16x all i want to do with it is use it for testing handloads, so what it would do is sit around in a box until i decided to test a new handload then my hunting scope would come off the gun and this target scope would go one get sighted in for 100yds and then i would shoot my test loads and take it off the rifle. sounds like a lot of screwing around i now, but the 9x on my scope isnt enough i dont think. any suggestions try to keep it below $300

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 16:58
http://www.swfa.com/pc-4306-231-super-sniper-16x42-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-4306-231-super-sniper-16x42-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx
Hippie

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 17:01
And this.....Wink

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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 17:03
look at the weaver T-24 just a little higher but a true target scope


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 17:07
i looked at the ss and that was actually the first scope i thought of but i dont know that i really want the mil dot reticle, but thats a good place to start. i dont think it would be a good idea to go buy a cheaper 6.5x24 either, i would rather buy a fixed from a good outfit like ss than buy a cheapo barksa or bsa variable.  t-24 looks like a nice scope as well but i dont wanna spend $400, i know the fixed market isnt to broad of an area to shop in. how big do the mil dots look in the scope mark? im thinking that may be a good choice i think i would go with a 16x i guess

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 17:19
There's a Swift, which is in your budget, has decent glass and a great warranty....but the eye relief is a little tight on high recoil units.  

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 17:22
i dont think i wanna variable, does ss have a lifetime warranty? im sure they do even though its not posted anywhere

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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

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God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 17:23
Yeah, lifetime warranty.
 
 


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 17:27
looks like i would need som 30mm rings to, since all my rifles are 1" how good is the glass on them mark?? comparable to what??

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

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God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 18:08
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

looks like i would need som 30mm rings to, since all my rifles are 1" how good is the glass on them mark?? comparable to what??
 
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8185 - http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8185
 
I'd say about like a Buck Master, little better. I think it would be a great scope for the intended purpose.
Get some Burris LOW XTR 30mm rings.     


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/27/2007 at 18:11
 i think this could end up being a headache, i think all of my rifles have different set ups for bases on them. why do you say the burris low xtr30mm's ct??

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:31
I'm with Mark here for sure P, The SS is a great scope for the money, the glass is better than the FFII, slightly less than the 4200 chances are you'd never see the difference. The Mil-Dot is a great reticle Bro, You start using it and you will love it. The XTR rings are fantastic and will let you mount the scope low on the barrel. All around you'll be very happy.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:32
problem is that i would probably need three different sets i dont think any of my guns have the same style of rings or bases on them

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:35
Any chance you can find a used weaver target scope maybe on one of the target benchrest sites?

    Focus

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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:37
What type of bases are you using now P?

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:38
on which gun??
 
and yes i would love to find like an old leupold m8 in a 24 power or something like that


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:40
On the ones you plan to use the scop on. Are they the Weaver style? If so no problem.

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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:41
Well provided that you have the same spacing from one to the next, if not switch them over to picatinny bases and then no worries.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:48
i have two short actions and two long actions ,and i have two with ruger style bases and  the rest have weavers

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:52
Get a different scope for the two Ruger styles, provided they are of like actions. On the others get picatinny bases. That will solve the problems there. That's alot of zeroes to keep track of Bro.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 07:56
like i said its a head ache waiting to happen!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:04
You could become the new Goody's spokesman. Have you considered getting an agent? 

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:06
im not worried about keeping track of zero's, but changing the rings all back and forth may get old but i really think a better high powered scope would make testing loads a lot more accurate and i would get a better end result.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:10
I wouldn't worry about the rings. If you use a pic base the rings would be universal to the rifles you put the scope on Bro. all pic bases are set at a constant. The problem would only be on the Ruger styles. 

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:17
well i only have one ruger rifle so it has the rings and integral bases and the rest of my rifles i think are all weaver style in one way or another 

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:22
Unless you are going to tap the receiver, I would get the ruger bases a different scope. If you were to tap the bases however then putting a pic base on all the rifles would solve all of your problems with relation to scope mounting.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:23
i would need on two sets of rings i guess

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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:26
Why? I would just tap my receivers for the pic base, problem solved. One scope, one set of rings, only the zero to worry about.  

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:27
i dont wanna tap anything, its $70 for a set of ruger style 30mm rings!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:38
$42 for a millet rail for my m700

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:39
Yeah but then you have the HEADACHE of having to take the scope out of the rings and realign it everytime. Now that would be a huge pain. Plus you have to rezero everytime, because no matter what you do the scope will always be mounted different. if you use the Pic base and then the same rings, on every rifle, all you have to do is dial in the zero for that rifle.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:41
would i have to take my guns to smith? or do they build rifle specific rails that bolt right in?

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:43
Yeah, I would go with the rail on all the rifles that you plan to use the scope on, that way the same rings would work, just screw off the one rifle and screw them on the next.

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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:47
Hmmmm, That would require some reseach, there Bro. I know you can get rails for virtually all rifles. Whether or not they will require tapping the receiver is another story. If you can use a dremmel tool it would be possible to modify a rail to fit a Ruger style without having to tap the receiver.  

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:47
wow thats a lot of money in that stuff

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:49
Yeah, but consider the savings if you could use one scope on several rifles.  

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:51
i have a dremmel

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:54
Do you have a tap and die set as well? If so then you can take the Ruger bases and use the set screws to modify a rail that would use the existing slots to hold the rail in place.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:56
yes i have a tap and die set also, i dont see anybody who builds a  rail for a 788 remington either

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 08:58
What type of mounts are the 788? Ruger slotted oa are they tapped?

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 09:01
tapped weaver style but they have funky rings

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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 09:03
Send me a Pic. Tapped weaver style there's bound to be a rail for it.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 09:08
http://www.gunauctions.org/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=88155532 - http://www.gunauctions.org/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=88155532
i think thats what i have i would have to go dig it out of the closet to be sure

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 09:19
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8391&PN=3 - http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=8391&PN=3
thats her

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 11:23
P I've been looking and no luck. There's always a way to skin a cat though.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 15:02
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

And this.....Wink
 
so you like this better than a tripod style front rest?


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 15:06

Thunbs%20Up

Sure do!


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 15:09
i assume thats a harris that you bought from swfa

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 15:20
i see weaver has a tact rail for my 700 but that doesnt help much with my other rifles i guess i would have to buy a ss16x two sets of 30mm rings and a bipod and i would be set

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 15:45
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i assume thats a harris that you bought from swfa
 
I've got a couple of different Harris models that I have had for a long time. I think I bought them locally.
 
Here's the one I use the most.
  http://www.swfa.com/pc-4260-894-harris-ultralight-br-series-s-bipod.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-4260-894-harris-ultralight-br-series-s-bipod.aspx
SWFA carries them at a better price than I bought mine.


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 15:47
i was at a local shop today and they sell barska bushnell tasco leupold and nikon, i decided to look at a barska 4x16varmint and on 16 power its a better scope than a bsa at least the barska wasnt dark on 16x, not that it was all that great of a scope, the eye relief on that scope was enough to give you a head ache 

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 15:49
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i assume thats a harris that you bought from swfa
 
I've got a couple of different Harris models that I have had for a long time. I think I bought them locally.
 
Here's the one I use the most.
  http://www.swfa.com/pc-4260-894-harris-ultralight-br-series-s-bipod.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-4260-894-harris-ultralight-br-series-s-bipod.aspx
SWFA carries them at a better price than I bought mine.
is that swivel mount?


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 15:52
"S" is for swivel, which I HIGHLY recommend, but Dale Clifford says the notched legs are better than my old ones. I haven't used them, but he's probably right.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 15:55
i just want something that is easy to move from rifle to rifle since i shoot multiple rifles during range sessions, and i dont want to have any holes to drill or anything like that and all my stocks are wood and i dont want any scratches from the bi pod either, damn i sound like a concrete man with all my demands and bitching!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 16:00
It clamps on to the front sling swivel and has a pad that sets against your stock.
I never noticed any scratching, but I don't have any wood stocks either.


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/28/2007 at 16:05
well i will keep it in mind

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"



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