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Topic: whats up with nosler
Posted By: pyro6999
Subject: whats up with nosler
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 09:31
i have been looking at buying some more nosler bullets and even the nosler site is out of stock what gives???

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 09:37
I have noticed the same thing online i can grab you some from a local store and mail them up.


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 09:41
well its not that i cant go to a store and buy them, i just gotta drive 90mi to do it, but the last time i was in that town they have three bigger name stores and none of them had the 6.5 accubond in stock and i ordered them through m-i-d-w-a-y and now they dont even have any, and noslers own site it out they dont even have any 2nds. i think they do so many runs a year is what the deal is.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 09:43
To me it is the same as last year.everyone it yelling about prices going up so they all run out and buy everything they can get there hands on.Witch the prices may go up some but not to where we can go and buy it.
 
Let me know if you need me to send some up.
 


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 09:50
yeah will do, i gotta gun show the ifrst weekend of jan to go to, which is in that town and i will check the gun show and then the stores and see what i can find

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 09:58
There's a lot of Accubonds out there for the taking, just no 6.5's. Either the sales aren't there for a production run or the caliber just plain sucksDevil


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 10:37
They do the different calibers and weights on production runs, must not be the demand for the 6.5 or maybe there was too much and they haven't geared back up to resupply. Figures as soon as I'm going to want some 130's they dry up. I'm sure someone has em'....tried sinclair?

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 11:15
FYI
 
Well if anyone needs some i got a friend i can call and get just about any bullets you need.
 
 


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 12:04
i think its the opposite guys i think there is a huge demand for them and not enough production, i talked to a salesman the other day and he said he has sold 10 guns in 264 cal in the last three days and he said if i would have told him that 3 weeks ago he would have bet against me. the .260 and the 6.5x55 are a stronger sale than one realizes i think

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 12:14
http://www.brunoshooters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv? - http://www.brunoshooters.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?

Heres some in stock....I wouldn't hesitate they are the only source I could find.

   Focus

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 14:38
yeah thats about what i pay for em here as well

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: slamdunk
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 20:49
competitor has every 6.5 Nosler in stock except the 130 accubond with no b/o allowed probably because the new Nosler Barnes TTSX copy will be replacing it.


Posted By: Skunk
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 20:52
Oh you think so? Mr. Basketball hoop, What do YOU know about Da 6.5mm, got a 6.5-06?

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 21:03
im pretty sure its a seasonal run issue, but i guess one can never really tell until the day comes

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 05:49
You need to buy some .277's anyway.


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 06:47
Originally posted by slamdunk slamdunk wrote:

competitor has every 6.5 Nosler in stock except the 130 accubond with no b/o allowed probably because the new Nosler Barnes TTSX copy will be replacing it.
SORRY CHARLIE!!!!!!!!!!! No TTSX will be replacing the Nosler, It CAN'T unless Barnes drops their pride based price factor, and decides to actually TRY and compete.  


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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 06:56
I agree the barns will not take over the AB's, The TTSX,TSX'S shoot like crap for just about everyone i know.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 07:42
actually guys nosler is going to let out a bullet just like the tsx but take over, i dont think so

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 07:52
That would be the E-tip right?


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 07:55
i believe thats correct

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 07:57
I have heard some bad and good stuff about tham so far.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 08:00
well im sure they will be like the old barnes x at first till they work the bugs out

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 08:02
Yeah,I haven't tryed any yet but they say when loading them the powder needs to be dropped way way down due to the bullet ogive and the drag it has thru the tube.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 08:09
hmm increased pressure where have we heard this before???

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: slamdunk
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 10:39
Initial accuracy tests of the e tip were nothing to brag about. basically it's a TTSX with conventional bullet jacket material, some lead inside and barnes style grooves. penetration was almost as good as the TTSX. loading data is nothing special and their caliber to length ratio is no problem as, with Barnes, you can use a lighter bullet to get the same killing power.
anyone who cant get a TTSX or TSX to shoot well is not reading the instructions supplied in every box. having shot them in everything from a NIB 300 WSM to an 1886 Winchester Extra light made in 1913 and every caliber from .224 to .460, I can assure you that they shoot as well as any controlled expansion hunting bullet and better than a lot. no, you don't "need" them to kill a 100 pound whitetail, a plain old unbonded soft point will do it very well. however, if you are "cross species" hunting, say deer, elk & moose, especially with a sub 30 caliber rifle, they do give you the assurance of reliable penetration and bone breaking matched by only a few other premium bullets (nosler partition, A frame, woodleigh)
if you subscribe to African Hunter (published in Africa) you can see that almost all PHs endorse the TSX and Barnes solids as excellent choices. it comes down to what works for you, there is no "right & wrong" but the barnes can be counted on to do the job.


Posted By: Skunk
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 10:58
You do realize the ammo makers are paying for the ENDORSEMENTS, no? Shoot these Barnes I do, but I do no need some writer paid by the Barnes peeples telling me how good they are, or aren't. Believe everything you read yes? me no way. No. I know you Yes? Been here before no?

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Posted By: slamdunk
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 11:21
so let me understand... every piece written in every gun book and magazine is to be disbelived because some company was footing the bill for the writer to go on a hunt? this sounds like french TV must be carrying too much of "the view" i.e. "steel can't burn."
I guess the fact that I and my friends have had years of experience with these bullets counts for nothing and the minds that gave us the maginot line are to be more trusted ? All PHs and writers who have killed more big game than exists in all of france are liars and prostitutes?
I think an injection of "sense" rather than "scent" is needed.


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 11:31
Chill there slam, skunk makes a point, even if it is on the top of his rug. Writers are paid to endorse and it wouldn't look good if they were to write the whole truth. If your experience is good with em go with em. Skunk uses them obviously, but he doesn't quote a gun rag to explain why. He shoots with them because he likes them, it'd be beyond my sensibilities as to why but he does, as long as he's shooting GOOD on him. As long as you're shooting good on you.

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Posted By: slamdunk
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 12:15
I didn't quote gun magazines to explain why, I suggested them as a source of information. The 100s of deer, elk, moose, sheep, goats, bear that have fallen to the members of our little hunting club using Barnes completely validate our faith in them. I'm sad to see the collective paranoia raised to such an extent that even a BG USMCR is considered a paid slut for gun & ammo makers (Craig Boddington). Are we to assume that you have the inside track on the "whole truth"? ...based on what?
What does that make all the optical experts on this site who suggest that scope A is better than B? Are they all on the take too?
"Trust but verify"... the heads hanging on the wall of my great room and the meat in the freezer provides me all the verification needed.
I repeat: if you cannot get TSXs or TTSXs or, as an aside, almost any modern bullet, to shoot 3 shots into 1" or less, then, given non defective equipment, the problem is probably the nut behind the bolt.
If you have a specific problem with getting Barnes to work in your rifle, I'd be happy to give whatever help I can based on decades of using them. thanks.


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 12:22
the tsx came out in 2003 and the ttsx came out last year. how do you have decades of use with these? Did i get the wrong info off the barnes site?

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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 12:26
I appreciate the offer there slam, Thanks. I have done all that can be done with respect to that particular brand and regardless the best that it will acheive is 1.75 inch at 100 yards. I cosistently get tha Sierras to sub .5 inch at 100 yrds. The Noslers acheive nearly as good at .5 sometimes a little more likely due to using an older reloading machine, and consistency not quite as sure as it was 25 yrs ago. Like I said if they work for you great, use them, the general consensus here is that they do not perform in accordance to their price. Again I thank you for the offer sir and I hope you have a great day shooting.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 12:41
or catching some fish maybe

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 12:48
I was thinking I might have to do that real soon, GF and me heading down to S Florida Deep Sea off the Keys, I can't wait.

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 12:48
Cy,Can i tag along I have been deep sea fishing in about 6 years. My sea legs are rareing to go.
 


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 12:52
i wanna go too! ive never been deep sea fishing, maybe i can get a dorado with a 270win loaded with a tsx?

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 12:56
Bring it guys, I hope you like Shark meat, I'm going after a BIG mako, They are great table fare. Yeah P bring that nasty old 270 with ya Might need to shoot it before we tie it off to the cleats.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 12:59
what are cleats?? if i shoot it with a tsx it should be dead right there

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 13:01
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

what are cleats?? if i shoot it with a tsx it should be dead right there
They are attached to the side if the boat for tieing the boat up or tieing stuff to the side like abig shark.
 


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 13:05
ah i see, but i still think if a 1800lb buffalo dies on the spot from 180yd shot that a mako shark from 8 feet will die the same

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 13:09
deepend on how deep the shark is. Maybe if you bring one of those new UWTTS it might be better


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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 13:10
Yeah it'd be dead but they have a propensity for continuing to thrash a little while, so ya tie them off on the gunnel outside the boat, just in case. 

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 13:10
yeah i will go an load some up!! i bet my lee load all can do it!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: slamdunk
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 18:41
If 1.75" is the best you can do with a TSX then seating depth is probably your problem. set em' off the lands 50 thou and try again. somewhere between 20 and 70 thou will give you MOA groups. I would agree Sierras are easier to shoot well but even 1.75" will kill any deer size animal within 400 yards.
Sharks should really be left alone as the Jap longliners are going to destroy them at the rate they are going. The Cobia are running hot on pinfish as are smaller Dorado on bubblers. Either are more fun than a shark and eat better as well. Finding a trophy Mako is akin to a 1&1/2 curl Bighorn. Lotsa time & money required.
This just beats the pants off ice fishing even at $3.50 a gallon.:


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 18:59
well nosler emailed me back tonight and said that the accubonds will ship out right around the first of the year and not to worry!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 19:03
.054 gave the best grouping, I also checked the necks and in general the case length, volume etc. 1.75 was as good as it got. Hey thanks though.
 
I plan to get my Mako, I don't particularly care for Dorado, Cobia is good though. It's also a good bait, they bleed out nicely. I digress, we should try to get back on topic here.


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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 19:05
That's great P I look forward to it, Thanks.

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Posted By: flyspy1
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 19:53
I don't know, Cobia and dolphin are fine table fare, but shark steak milk battered and pan-fried dressed with some worcestshire (sp) sauce is just about the finest thing in the sea! Er, out of the sea... whatever..

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 20:05
Originally posted by slamdunk slamdunk wrote:

I didn't quote gun magazines to explain why, I suggested them as a source of information. The 100s of deer, elk, moose, sheep, goats, bear that have fallen to the members of our little hunting club using Barnes completely validate our faith in them. I'm sad to see the collective paranoia raised to such an extent that even a BG USMCR is considered a paid slut for gun & ammo makers (Craig Boddington). Are we to assume that you have the inside track on the "whole truth"? ...based on what?
What does that make all the optical experts on this site who suggest that scope A is better than B? Are they all on the take too?
"Trust but verify"... the heads hanging on the wall of my great room and the meat in the freezer provides me all the verification needed.
I repeat: if you cannot get TSXs or TTSXs or, as an aside, almost any modern bullet, to shoot 3 shots into 1" or less, then, given non defective equipment, the problem is probably the nut behind the bolt.
If you have a specific problem with getting Barnes to work in your rifle, I'd be happy to give whatever help I can based on decades of using them. thanks.
 
Dang, slamdunk, you sound like a really experienced guy.  I need to pick your brain more about bullets.  I've been a hunter most of my life, but I'm new to reloading.  I've been shooting 130 gr Nosler Partitions behind 56 gr 4831 and getting decent groups.  Do you think the Barnes bullets are better?
 
Thanks in advance for your help!


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 20:10
Originally posted by slamdunk slamdunk wrote:

If 1.75" is the best you can do with a TSX then seating depth is probably your problem. set em' off the lands 50 thou and try again. somewhere between 20 and 70 thou will give you MOA groups. I would agree Sierras are easier to shoot well but even 1.75" will kill any deer size animal within 400 yards.
Sharks should really be left alone as the Jap longliners are going to destroy them at the rate they are going. The Cobia are running hot on pinfish as are smaller Dorado on bubblers. Either are more fun than a shark and eat better as well. Finding a trophy Mako is akin to a 1&1/2 curl Bighorn. Lotsa time & money required.
This just beats the pants off ice fishing even at $3.50 a gallon.:
 
My apologies, slamdunk, no disrespect intended but I assumed you were a man.  Don't want to sound sexist, but I guess I just don't know any women who are interested in guns and reloading.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 20:13
i can see why jessica would hurt somebody if she had a gun in her hand

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 20:19
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i can see why jessica would hurt somebody if she had a gun in her hand
 
Hey, bro, not cool!  I'd appreciate it if you would keep her out of this!


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 20:21
oo a tough guy are we?? keep mouthin off and i will hit you like billy bates on a kick-off, course your  to young to remember who he was.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 20:31
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

oo a tough guy are we?? keep mouthin off and i will hit you like billy bates on a kick-off, course your  to young to remember who he was.
 
Nope, had lunch with Bill yesterday, and we play golf together at least twice a month.  What's your problem?  I asked you to leave Jess out of the discussion out of courtesy, not as some kind of threat. 


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 20:33
well what did you say when T.O popped off?? im not going to throw you the ball anymore?

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 20:44
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

well what did you say when T.O popped off?? im not going to throw you the ball anymore?
 
I'd rather take that discussion to PM. 


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 20:48
well bring it over im intrested to hear it dude

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 06:18
TONY Welcome Brother to the OT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

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Posted By: Skunk
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 09:08
Originally posted by slamdunk slamdunk wrote:

so let me understand... every piece written in every gun book and magazine is to be disbelived because some company was footing the bill for the writer to go on a hunt? this sounds like french TV must be carrying too much of "the view" i.e. "steel can't burn."
I guess the fact that I and my friends have had years of experience with these bullets counts for nothing and the minds that gave us the maginot line are to be more trusted ? All PHs and writers who have killed more big game than exists in all of france are liars and prostitutes?
I think an injection of "sense" rather than "scent" is needed.
I state a fact quite simply, and you like it not, so you attack mois? Have I no use at all for Gun RAG writers, to pontificate the virtues of said product. Since how you say whores? OUI, whores it is then. I would take the truth of amateur writing his approximation of the capabilities of said product, they work real world like I must, They understand the value of a Euro earned. They have not ample time for waste to make a bullet rightly shoot. They no have need to point to many that as well use their preferred product, use it I do cause work well for me it does. What Problem have you? How you say? A LOOSE NUT BEHIND BOLT!   


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 09:23
Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

TONY Welcome Brother to the OT!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks, DAWG, appreciate the welcome!
 
Well, would like to stay and chat, but I got a plane to Charlotte to catch!


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 09:33
dude you better hit jason witten for a couple of tds!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 10:43
Originally posted by Tony Romo Tony Romo wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

TONY Welcome Brother to the OT!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks, DAWG, appreciate the welcome!
 
Well, would like to stay and chat, but I got a plane to Charlotte to catch!
Gonna get ya some KITTY???????????????? WHOOP THAT BUTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

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Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 10:59
Hey Tony.....I guess I won't hold the 270 agin' ya.............Well Welcome aboard.

Focus

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 11:03
ouch!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 12:32
DING DING Ok gents we want a good clean fight, no hitting below the belt, no belts above the naval, no donkey punches, no sucker punches. Now back to your corners, and when the bell rings, come out fighting. May the BEST man win.  

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Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 13:00
Awwww....gee guys, I'm just havin' some fun with ol' tony. Fishing with dynamite I guess......anybody can see from his and slamdunks avatar pics that tony is better lookin' and not related. Got a lot shorter hair and better smile too......

   Focus

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 13:03
and he bangs hot chicks!! slamdunk?? well who knows

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 13:23
Ali ahmed baba???????????????

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Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 14:58
GESUNDHEIT!

   Focus

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 15:49
hey speaking of bullets got a pronunciation ? for you guys the word is ogive like on a bullet,
i have heard it said 2 ways o-give and o-jive, which is correct??


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 16:06
I've always heard it "Ogive" not really sure now. Thanks P

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Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 16:35
I believe it is pronounced o-jiv. most shooters however seem to say o-give. Dictionary however is o-jiv.

To talk some more about nosler, lets give them some credit, they have pioneered the big game bullet field with Johns parition. Followed it with the plastic tipped ballistic tip and than offered it in a bonded stronger version. They are in the copper bullet market with their offering like barnes due to lead bans which will slowly be removing the lead from bullets entirely. We are looking at a real innovator in the bullet industry that is still designing and marketing new styles as we speak. I've used paritions since the early days of screw machine produced models through the impact extruded early seventies models. They are still the bullet all others compare themselves to on performance. Yes many retain more weight now and some even penetrate deeper but those noslers still do exactly what they were designed to do back in 1947 by nosler and purdey. I believe in Pyros case the new 6.5 accubonds simply sold better than anticipated and the run produced ran short before nosler made another run of them. Kudos to nosler and some of the best bullets made!

Focus

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 16:39
o-jiv not o-jive right

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: flyspy1
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 16:53

ogive

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Pronunciation:
\ˈō-ˌjīv\
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noun
Etymology:
Middle English oggif stone comprising an arch, from Middle French augive, ogive diagonal arch
Date:
1611
1 a: a diagonal arch or rib across a Gothic vault b: a pointed arch2: a graph of a cumulative distribution function or a cumulative frequency distribution3:  http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/ogee - ogee 1
 
 
Looks like Oh-jive.  Long i.


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/06/2008 at 15:08
well so far no luck with finding any 6.5mm accubonds pleanty of everything else

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: lucznik
Date Posted: January/10/2008 at 16:24

Last time I was there the Sportsman's Warehouse in Salt Lake City had 6.5mm Accubonds.

I've been told that they will ship stuff to your home if you can't make it into the store. It would be at least worth a phone call to find out.  (801) 567-1000


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/10/2008 at 20:36
the one on 72nd or the new one in sandy??

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: lucznik
Date Posted: January/11/2008 at 10:09
The number I gave you is the store on 72nd South just west of State Street (Midvale.)  There isn't one in Sandy.  They moved a few years back from their original location to a new store but, it remains in Midvale - in fact, the new building is only about 1 city block south from their old location.
 
Other Utah locations for Sportsmans Warehouse include Riverdale (801-334-4000), Provo(801-818-2000), and St. George (435-634-7300).


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/11/2008 at 10:11
provo was the one i was thinking of, i have been to  old store many times so its a block or so south of the old store, thanks for the info i havent been there for years

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: CowboyBill
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 10:31
sorry guys, but there's a good reason why the barnes bullets are being copied, you should be able to figure that out for yourselves. i'm not very experienced but they do a very good job for me, and several gun mags writers are giving barnes rave reviews. my humble opinion of course. if you can give me a justifiable reason why nosler is better, i'll consider it. i think though that if nosler was better barnes would be copying them. oh well, i hope you all have a great day shooting, and look forward to your exchanges of thoughts.

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Posted By: lucznik
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 10:51
People are "copying" Barnes because of inane legislation that is trying to require "non-toxic" loads for big game.  
 
My family shot Barnes X bullets (both the moly-coated and the non-coated varieties) for awhile and found that they were terrible barrel-foulers.  By the third or fourth shot we would have to do some serious barrel scrubbing with highly potent coppr-eating solvents if we wanted to retain any kind of accuracy.  To whit, they did not do as well on game as our tried and trusted Nosler Partitions.  The problem was with the petals.  They would routinely sheer off just inside the animal leaving only a caliber-size solid to punch through to the other side which resulted in some fairly extended tracking jobs.  Those Barnes bullets did indeed kill the animal so; they technically did their job but, we weren't real happy about how far we were being required to walk to find those critters after the shot. Needless to say, we went back to the Noslers; problem solved.  I even started shooting some Hornady SSTs out of my .264 Win Mag for elk so-as to get the benefit of the increased ballsitic coefficient offered by the polymer tip despite the fact that they aren't even a "bonded core" design.  Even they opened up more reliably than did the Barnes and resulted in fast kills. 
 
Most recently we've been giving the bonded core Nosler Accubond a try.  This year we have killed 2 elk with them - one shot apiece.  Both resulted in veritable "bang-flops." Never got that with the Barnes.
 
Gun mag writers write glowing reports about everything.  That's what gaurantees their continued employment and supply of free gear.  All magazine articles are basically the print version of TV  "info-mercials." 
 
To be fair, Barnes has claimed that they have addressed the barrel-fouling and petal-sheering problems with their newest TSX bullet.  I'm giving them a bit of a try in my 7-08 (primarily because the only other 120gr. option is the Nosler Ballistic Tip so; I figure I should at least try them both. ) So far, they shoot pretty well and if my barrel stays reasonably clean, I'll maybe try them on a hunt or two but, they definately have a long way to go to impress me.


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Posted By: CowboyBill
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 11:33
i've heard the fouling arguement too much, it's an old issue, and not with todays barnes. also if it was such an issue why would another be copying it? seems to me they'd be starting off doing something different. oh well, i guess we'll see what developes in the very near future.
take good care and happy shooting


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A horse may be an outdated mode of transportation, but you don't buy hay by the gallon.


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 11:43
Barnes are on their what.... third redesign? They change designs about the time everyone gets used to the previous one. They are still penciling for a lot of users and the hollowpoints vary big time in depth and amount of copper debris in each one. Maybe the plastic tips will get past this latest quality control hurdle for them. They are long for weight, and vary pretty bad from lot to lot in actual bullet weight, at least compared to other manufactures. Pricey and still trying to get it right, thats barnes story. Nosler accubonds are working really well for me and giving superb accuracy to boot. As the feds slowly try to phase out lead we will see all the bullet makers who want to stay in business develop a non-lead bullet. In europe they are far ahead of barnes with several very reliable expansion copper bullets, of course europe is way ahead of the US on lead banning. About 1/8 of california will be lead banned next year I believe, but all of europe. Nosler will probably quickly pass barnes in the copper bullet market by design skill and a much more reliable name in hunting bullets......not to mention superior marketing skills......welcome aboard cowboy bill, hows things in pinedale?.

Focus

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Posted By: CowboyBill
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 11:53
thanks focus, yeah the whole lead banning thing baffles me. the last time i checked lead or plumbium is a natural element, just like iron, copper, etc. i don't understand this hysteria at all. maybe nosler will do as you say, maybe not, time will tell that story i guess. as for the longer bullets it is a difficult thing at best to get copper to weigh as much as lead in a given size, actually it's impossible to do. only gold can do as much from my admittedly limited knowledge of the elementals. it begs to ask how will this be accomplished? i'm glad i don't have to work in the r&d for these companies. what a challenge it will be.

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A horse may be an outdated mode of transportation, but you don't buy hay by the gallon.


Posted By: lucznik
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 11:59
Originally posted by CowboyBill CowboyBill wrote:

i've heard the fouling arguement too much, it's an old issue, and not with todays barnes. also if it was such an issue why would another be copying it? seems to me they'd be starting off doing something different. oh well, i guess we'll see what developes in the very near future.
take good care and happy shooting
 
It's a valid argument until Barnes proves to have rectified the problem.  They claim they have but, the "proof is in the pudding" as it were. I am at least giving them the opportunity to prove their claim rather than simply writing them off completely.
 
The fact that other manufacturers are making a solid copper bullet should not be confused with "following Barnes' lead."  As already stated, the real motivating factor is the effect of increasing legislation requiring "non-toxic" bullets to be used. Noone is going to intentionally just give up their market share in such areas. So, they take what's available and make adjustments to meet requirements. Other than copper, there really are very few (if any) alternative materials that can be viably used to accomplish the "non-toxic" requirement. 
 
Your argument simply does not follow a reasonable train of logic as it tries to assign intent where none is justified.  It's like trying to argue that ice cream causes drownings because both ice cream consumption and drownings both dramatically increase in the summer.


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Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 12:07
Its not the lead per say....its the acid rain on oxidized lead. We will see but I figure it will be quite some time before this type of ban effects most of the country. Swift just spent millions on a new R&D facility and tooling, probably sign of a new direction for them also. Like to see what they will do with 22 rimfires.......with any luck I will be past caring by the time this really becomes a hunting bullet change...

Focus

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 15:28
hmm i agree with mr.lucznik, i too have had good success with the accubond and will continue to use them as they shoot very well in one of my favorite rifles,  but in most of my guns i shoot sierras. the university of wyoming wasted a ton of money doing studys on pdogs and found a lot of them dead from lead poisoning, now here is my thoughts on that, lead is a naturally occuring element and whos to say they didnt get it from something they ate or drank, the bigger issue with this study was that bird of prey were turning up dead from lead poisoning, once again its all speculation as to where the lead actually came from, now you tell me how many cattle and sheep owners as well as people who own horses are going to be super pissed if people dont help control the rodents, they cause massive amounts of dollar loss to those folks every year because there animal steps into a hole that one of these varmints has made in the ground, so i think the whole get the lead out of the bullets is crap, its bad enough that you cant shoot waterfowl with lead shot, now if it comes to pass we wont be able to shoot anything with lead, the price of metals is already outrageous, so lets make people buy bullets made out of pure copper so it really costs them, hmm sounds like a govt conspiracy to try to squeeze people out of guns to me.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 15:46
Hey P it seems we agree on that lead thing, I'm a believer in conspiracy theories, the left have been doing it and planning it for some time.
Hey Focus, Cowboy isn't Larry, he's actually a mutual friend of mine and Pyro's, and he lives in Jackson Hole Wyoming, so be at ease, Cowboy hasn't had the pleasure (sarcasm) of dealing with Larry.  I just got off the phone with him, and he asked why he got some strange PM's I told him to relax, I'd straighten it out. So be at ease folks. Cowboy's a good egg, a little misguided but a good egg.
Hey P, I think the lead poisoning comes from high velocity injections. Whatcha think?


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Cyborg


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 16:07
oh yeah its possible they come from high velocity injection, could be the rocks they eat too though, another thing is think about the beubonic plaugue wasnt that attributed to rodents?? think about rabid animals and hannta virus, if we cant kill these critters we may be the next extinct creature on the list

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 16:09
Bucky Oh dopey me, it could be the rocks. LOL

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:06
Originally posted by CowboyBill CowboyBill wrote:

sorry guys, but there's a good reason why the barnes bullets are being copied, you should be able to figure that out for yourselves. i'm not very experienced but they do a very good job for me, and several gun mags writers are giving barnes rave reviews. my humble opinion of course. if you can give me a justifiable reason why nosler is better, i'll consider it. i think though that if nosler was better barnes would be copying them. oh well, i hope you all have a great day shooting, and look forward to your exchanges of thoughts.
 
Hey, CB, I keep hearing conflicting reports about this.  I don't doubt it holds together better but do you really think Barnes is better than Partition where it really counts, which is putting an animal down as quickly and humanely as possible?  Varix3 sure seems to share your opinion of it.  I realize there have been tech improvements since Partition, but I've always had success with it and I haven't tried that many other bullets to compare and as good as they work haven't seen a real need to.
THX!


Posted By: CowboyBill
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:06
You folks gotta tell me about this Larry fella, if he's that bad and some of you thought/think i was him, i feel bad now. thanks cyborg, i wish you had invested your vsi money the same way i did. we'll talk more on the phone. it's real good to get back in touch with you. 
guys i don't have alot of experience, i'm still learning so please bear with me here. i'll show you respect, please give me the same latitude. thanks


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:08
Tagged...

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Posted By: CowboyBill
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:20
Tony, do i know you? you really t romo? tell me what happened at the stockyard a month ago? i was there. you remember?
hey i've only used barnes since i started reloading and they work for me, i did have a pass through on a deer earlier this year, i dropped the weight back and that solved that problem.
cyborg is a nosler man, and pyro likes the sierras, they stay in my butt about them. i like those two but they can be really anal about some things. sorry cy & py. it's true though, i like you guys anyway.
but yeah they work just fine for me, i keep my rifle clean, thanks cyborg for staying in my @$$ in the army, i learned that from him and a few other thing as well. he is a nut case Loco but who isn't i guess.   


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:22
hey tony maybe you should try some new bullets, maybe you would be surprised with the results.
marlboros use to be called cowboy killers but i see there is a new sheriff in town!
 
 
the new cowboy killer!
 
go green bay!


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Skunk
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:24
MMM! De Skunk Likey Her!!

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Posted By: CowboyBill
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:28
doesn't everyone outside of the cowboy fans? she's a real looker. Naughty she gave me a peck on the cheek soft lips and nicely damp, not wet, just right. she smells real good too.

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A horse may be an outdated mode of transportation, but you don't buy hay by the gallon.


Posted By: Skunk
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:30
I Take Dis Sweet Flower Home wit Mis And Oh No Tell You, Dis Is A Family Show No?

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:33
skunk get out of here  gosh grow up would you! we are talking about bullets here.
for me tsx is way to much bullet for whitetail deer, i prefer softer bullets through and throughs are not uncommon on whitetails with the tsx.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: CowboyBill
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:40
yeah i thank you for helping me out with that pyro, dropping back the weight worked real good, nice blood trail. when are you and cyborg gonna quit kicking my butt about the barnes tsx thing?

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A horse may be an outdated mode of transportation, but you don't buy hay by the gallon.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January/17/2008 at 17:48
Originally posted by CowboyBill CowboyBill wrote:

Tony, do i know you? you really t romo? tell me what happened at the stockyard a month ago? i was there. you remember?
 
 
I'll check my driver's license again just to make sure, but I believe I'm me.
 
OH YEAH, I remember you!  When Jess and I were hanging at that appearance with Brad Sham and Bill Bates, right?  Weren't you the slobbering drunk dude who climbed on top of the coin operated kiddy horse and started humping it and making rude tongue gestures toward Jess?  We thought it was funny at first, but you did some pretty over the top stuff, in front of a bunch of kids no less.  That was the point we decided to seek our entertainment elsewhere!  Jess gave you a peck on the cheek earlier because up until that point, you were at least being somewhat polite and managed to put together a complete sentence without drooling all over the front of your shirt.
 
Who the hell is this "skunk" idiot and what's his problem?
 
Pyro6999, I'll make you a deal, bro.  How bout you stay out of my personal business, and I'll return the favor?



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