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Topic: Free Mike Vick!
Posted By: ranburr
Subject: Free Mike Vick!
Date Posted: August/20/2007 at 22:06

Anyone else think that it is absurd for the federal gov't to be going after this idiot.  I am completely against dog fighting in every way shape and form.  But, this is a local issue.  I would think that after 9/11 and with a war going on, the federal gov't should have more pressing issues to fix.  Maybe the gov't could shift some of those resources off of Vick and onto securing the borders.  Does this mean that we are going to jail every idiot in this country who fights dogs?  If that is the case, I can assure you that we don't have enough prisons.  Also, since when can a dog be raped?  Mating stands are used by more than one legitimate breeder.  And, I am sorry, but you can't murder a dog.  As far as that goes, any ethical breeder is going to be forced to cull the rejects from his breeding program.  And no, I am not insinuating that Mike Vick is an ethical / legitimate breeder.  I see this case as one of sensationalism that is designed to shift attention away from more pressing issues.  Issues like our ridiculously pourus borders and the war effort.  I do think Vick is probably guilty as hell and should be facing charges.  But, I think the local D.A should be the one handling this case.  This is simply an example of the federal gov't getting involved into places that they have no business being in. 

 

ranburr 




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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/20/2007 at 22:09
maybe they did that to prove a point, that just because you are famous and have money doesnt mean you get away with it, but i totally agree with you on this.

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Posted By: ranburr
Date Posted: August/20/2007 at 22:37

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

maybe they did that to prove a point, that just because you are famous and have money doesnt mean you get away with it, but i totally agree with you on this.

 

If that is the case, where were they during the O.J. trial?

 

ranburr



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August/20/2007 at 23:01
If I remember correctly, the feds are involved because more than one state is involved. The indictment came down in Virginia, but I think that one or two other states are in play here, making this a federal offense as opposed to individual local jurisdiction becoming involved......


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 06:44
Originally posted by ranburr ranburr wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

maybe they did that to prove a point, that just because you are famous and have money doesnt mean you get away with it, but i totally agree with you on this.

 

If that is the case, where were they during the O.J. trial?

 

ranburr

 

look at what happened to paris "grey bar" hilton hotel, her money got her out for a min then the judge got pissed and made a point to the world



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Posted By: silver
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 09:37

 

 

Football Heros...  If you are getting paid millions to play a kids game, then don't be an idiot! 

 

My friends kid just made a small college baseball team.  The coach gave him a good understanding  of what he could and could not do. It's not like the guy has not known better for years.  Any form of gambling and sports do not go together. Ask Pete" I should be in the hall of Fame" Rose.



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Posted By: jonbravado
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 10:18

i gotta be frank here - i have always thought michael vick was a thug, and a terrible role model for young atheletes.

 

i just hate that it took THIS long for that jerk to get in trouble.  Professional sports needs to stop paying millions to terrible
role models.  He is one of the most over-rated NFL players of all time.  Yeah, he's got some good moves - but nothing to
put in the record books as legendary.  Sportsmanship is a dying animal. 

 

he is getting 'support' for all the wrong reasons - he was breaking the law, and should be punished.

 

it's not just because he is michael vick - the MEDIA is blowing it up, not the feds - they go after nobody's all the time.

 

good riddance, Mike Vick.  Can't stand him - the NFL is better w/out him.

 

J



Posted By: martin3175
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 10:40
the NFL for Michael Vick now stands for "Not For Long"


Posted By: jonbravado
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 12:36

indeed.  i hope more follow him out the door.

 

cut salaries back.  and offer BIG money deals to folks that have manners and common sense.

and get rid of the thugs and riff raff.

 

long live college sports !!!!

 

J



Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 14:11

You can take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want) but you can't take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want).

 

I think he's getting off easy

 

His above the law attitude and the grand scale of the operation had a lot to do with how and why they went after him so hard.  The details of how they tortured and killed the dogs being made public is what really did him in.  Some people say it is just because he is rich and famous that caused the prosecution to go all out.  I think money and power played more of a role as an enabler on his behalf.  Had he not been rich and famous the operation would not have been funded like it was and not able to be as far reaching as it was.



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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 14:24
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

You can take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want) but you can't take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want).

 

I think he's getting off easy

 

His above the law attitude and the grand scale of the operation had a lot to do with how and why they went after him so hard.  The details of how they tortured and killed the dogs being made public is what really did him in.  Some people say it is just because he is rich and famous that caused the prosecution to go all out.  I think money and power played more of a role as an enabler on his behalf.  Had he not been rich and famous the operation would not have been funded like it was and not able to be as far reaching as it was.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

I'm a dog lover and Vick should be horse whipped for what he did!!

Funny how all his "homies" rolled over on him too.....  



Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 15:12
Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

i gotta be frank here - i have always thought michael vick was a thug, and a terrible role model for young atheletes.

 

i just hate that it took THIS long for that jerk to get in trouble.  Professional sports needs to stop paying millions to terrible
role models.  He is one of the most over-rated NFL players of all time.  Yeah, he's got some good moves - but nothing to
put in the record books as legendary.  Sportsmanship is a dying animal. 

 

he is getting 'support' for all the wrong reasons - he was breaking the law, and should be punished.

 

it's not just because he is michael vick - the MEDIA is blowing it up, not the feds - they go after nobody's all the time.

 

good riddance, Mike Vick.  Can't stand him - the NFL is better w/out him.

 

J

 

AMEN x a million.

 



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Posted By: ranburr
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 16:34

I agree with everyone that Vick should be nailed.  My gripe is with who is doing the nailing.

 

ranburr



Posted By: silver
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 16:38
Originally posted by jonbravado jonbravado wrote:

 

 

Sportsmanship is a dying animal. 

 

 

J

 

Best metaphor of the day!



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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 17:48
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

You can take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want) but you can't take the (insert whatever you want) out of the (insert whatever you want).

 

I think he's getting off easy

 

His above the law attitude and the grand scale of the operation had a lot to do with how and why they went after him so hard.  The details of how they tortured and killed the dogs being made public is what really did him in.  Some people say it is just because he is rich and famous that caused the prosecution to go all out.  I think money and power played more of a role as an enabler on his behalf.  Had he not been rich and famous the operation would not have been funded like it was and not able to be as far reaching as it was.

 

I couldn't agree more.

 

I'm a dog lover and Vick should be horse whipped for what he did!!

Funny how all his "homies" rolled over on him too.....  

 

i wonder if snoop dogg threw is ass under bus?



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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 18:06
He copped a plea of guilty yesterday or today!!!!! I guess there will be no trial.......He`ll do some time but i believe that when his prison time is up, no NFL team will pick him up! Bad PR move for any team to acquire him!.....He`ll go on Larry King or Oprah or maybe even write a book


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 18:42

What a role model for our kids



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 19:02
Tahqua.............Where did you get that pic?........Are those hands for real or are they a photo shop job makeover?....I watch alot of NFL interviews, but I never saw him do that!....However, that doesn`t surprise me though!


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 19:26

I believe this is from the interview after the Saints kicked their butts and he flipped off the Atlanta fans.

http://www.smithappens.com/picture/383/Michael-vick-flips-of f-own-fans.html - http://www.smithappens.com/picture/383/Michael-vick-flips-of f-own-fans.html

What he did was for real, this pic may be dubbed.



Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 19:30

There's more about this P.O.S.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jEss5tY_o-A - http://youtube.com/watch?v=jEss5tY_o-A



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 19:33
Heard on the news today that he will do some prison time. May get 3 years but actually serve 12 to 18 months!.....................I betcha that PETA really loves him!.... No! I`m not referring to people like us........ (PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS).......dogs excluded though!


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 19:34

And when he got busted at Miami International Airport with weed.............REALLY!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjtVnqZCndo - http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjtVnqZCndo



Posted By: Obi Wan Kenobi
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 19:36
Originally posted by ranburr ranburr wrote:

I agree with everyone that Vick should be nailed.  My gripe is with who is doing the nailing.

 

ranburr

 

It was a 3 or 4 state dog fighting operation. If he were charged by the state it would be a huge mess because each state prosecution would have to file individual charges & cooperate with the evidence. He fought dogs in South Carolina, North Carolina & Virginia. You would be looking at 3 different trials in 3 different states. The Feds should be in charge of the entire operation because 1 Federal prosecutor is handling the case & all the evidence against him.

 

Not only that but this entire investigation DID NOT start with the Feds looking for dog fighters. The home where the Feds found all the dogs was under drug survelliance. When they did a raid, they found 66 dogs on the property. So its only right that the feds are handling this case. Drug trafficking & prostitution fuels things like dog fighting. Of course Vick didn't sell drugs, but every fight he lost, thats thousands of NFL dollars going into the pocket under the table to some drug dealing scumbag or pimp.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 19:38
It just goes to show that in many ways, wrong doing will catch up to the wrong doer!!!


Posted By: ranburr
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 20:01

Gotta disagree with you here Obi Wan Kenobi. 
As far as I am concerned, have multiple trials in multiple states.  If that were the case, he would do real time in state pens.  Also, regardless what the original investigation was for, they are charging him for the dog fighting.  This is not something an overzealous federal prosecutor should be involved in.  If so, our federal courts are going to be overloaded with dog fighting cases.  The federal gov't should be focused on bigger issues and leave local issues to local authorities.  I suspect that this probably started out as a federal drug case that went no where.  The gov't can't spend all those tax dollars and come up empty handed. Thus the dog fighting charges.  

 

ranburr   



Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 20:09

They got Al Capone on tax evasion in a similar manner. Sometimes they settle for what they can get.

No matter, Mr. Vick is going to get some love and affection in the house of correction.



Posted By: Obi Wan Kenobi
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 20:29
Originally posted by ranburr ranburr wrote:

Gotta disagree with you here Obi Wan Kenobi. 
As far as I am concerned, have multiple trials in multiple states.  If that were the case, he would do real time in state pens.  Also, regardless what the original investigation was for, they are charging him for the dog fighting.  This is not something an overzealous federal prosecutor should be involved in.  If so, our federal courts are going to be overloaded with dog fighting cases.  The federal gov't should be focused on bigger issues and leave local issues to local authorities.  I suspect that this probably started out as a federal drug case that went no where.  The gov't can't spend all those tax dollars and come up empty handed. Thus the dog fighting charges.  

 

ranburr   

 

Vick hired one of the best law firms in America. Billy Martin is one of the best lawyers on the entire east coast. Martin would chew up & spit out a local state DA or solicitor if they tried to bring state charges. The feds had inside informants that were on the federal payroll at these fights undercover with drug dealers.

 

I don't care how much money you have. You aren't going to out spend the federal government. Capone, Gotti & Martha Stewart found out the hard way.



Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/21/2007 at 20:37
the reason the feds are envolved is because its a federal offense, and like i said earlier they wanna make an example out of him to try and open the eyes of people who have money, and think they can get off because their loaded.

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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: scpd755
Date Posted: August/24/2007 at 07:01
doesn't matter, three years time and he will be playing for the Raiders


Posted By: Duce
Date Posted: August/24/2007 at 12:15
Today's sports are about better athletes thought chemistry no different than pro wrestling and IMO not worth watching or supporting a bunch of spoiled adult brats. I agree with Chris & CT they should throw the book at him.
 
Duce   


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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: August/24/2007 at 12:28
Originally posted by Duce Duce wrote:

Today's sports are about better athletes thought chemistry no different than pro wrestling and IMO not worth watching or supporting a bunch of spoiled adult brats. I agree with Chris & CT they should throw the book at him.
 
Duce   

 

 

You have got to be kidding me pro wrestlers are doing drugs to help them with there job. I guess next you will say Barry bonds are doing them also....J/k

 

 

hahaha

 

 Vicks Lying ass should be a cook in prison for the next 10 to 15 years. right along with his brother...

 

I also thought if someone did a crime in multiple states and the feds got them that the feds had to sentence them in each state the crime was done.

 



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Posted By: jonbravado
Date Posted: August/24/2007 at 12:54

They should have fed him to the 60 pitbulls they found.

 

that's what I would have done.

 

J



Posted By: martin3175
Date Posted: August/24/2007 at 19:52
Well-it's official-He's going to jail foe a year or two. Also, he's been kicked out of football by the commissioner "indefinitely". Plus he  gave the Falcons the okay to go after his 22 million dollar signing bonus...Vick is " ****, blued and tattooed".


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: September/17/2007 at 07:30

I agree with ranbur on this one.

 What the H*** is the Federal Govt doing, and when animals are given the right represented by the Govt. (animals rights laws) how long before hunters and ranchers and varmint shooters are being charged as well.



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Posted By: Duce
Date Posted: September/17/2007 at 08:41

Animals laws have been around for over a 100 years in fact the first spouse abuse trials were under animal rights laws, since women did not have rights at that time. If not for those animal protection laws you would not find anything to hunt in north America.

 

Duce 



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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: September/17/2007 at 09:12

 Duce,

 You, and I will will have to agree to disagree on this one, as my thoughts are that these are some of the tools that the gun grabbers are using to down play our need for having our guns. They have no problem revising our Constitutional Bill of Rights. So they can impose their own set of ethics on the rest of us.

 To the best of my recollection the laws you are speaking of deal with seasonal limitations in populated areas, and the willful destruction of property, and or fair chase as well. These laws are necessary I will agree there, especially since some States used public funds in order to re populate severely or otherwise nonexistant ruminant game animals. Just so long as we are able to police our ever growing and intrusive uncle (Sam)

Otherwise we'll be the outlaws as well.

Peace to you, and take care.



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Posted By: Duce
Date Posted: September/17/2007 at 09:43

The laws deal with a lot more than seaons, at on time we had bear baiting in this country along with alot of other abuses. As to taking guns if ther are no animals to hunt your reason to own a gun just dropped alot.

Those that abuse animals also abuse children & spouses. I personally have seen too many in my work as an ER doc & deputy corner. IMO these individuals are sadist & cowards if you search the psych lit you will find that is their typical personality profile.

If there was any question I do not like these people it should be answered now.

 

Duce   



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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: September/17/2007 at 09:56

 You are right about the abuse thing, as far as the others, we in this great country's hay day used to police our own, we still should IMO.

 For the record I own guns because, as far as i'm concerned the founding fathers believed it vital in order to maintain the balance of freedom, which is fragile. In history it was the loss of the means to fight that facilitated the fall of freedom. Thomas Jefferson I think said "we've given you a free Republic if you can keep it." The 2nd is there for this reason, and that is why IMO they are against it.

Peace be with you, 



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Posted By: Longhunter
Date Posted: September/17/2007 at 23:17

Duce is right on the money.

 

Individuals who abuse animals are demonstrating dangerous pyschopathic behavior.  This stuff progresses, and eventually involves human beings.  (Think O.J. Simpson.)

 

These people represent a real danger to society, and should be brought up short by the law as soon as possible.

 

I had to help deal with one of these creeps.  He thought stabbing cats with a pocketknife was the appropriate response when one walked on his car.  Pretty soon thereafter, he was threatening people in the complex with bodily harm. 




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