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Topic: Target/Varmint Scope
Posted By: swamprat
Subject: Target/Varmint Scope
Date Posted: September/09/2004 at 18:01

   

    This is an awesome forum, am glad I found it.

    I recently purchased a Savage 10FP in .308, and it will be used for "target" at ranges 100 to 500 yds. I will soon purchase a .223 barrel and bolt face for it. The .223 will be for long-range "varmint" shooting. My budget is $500.    

    What scope would you recommend that would fit both uses? Is their any difference between a Target and a Varmint scope? Thanks for your help.




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Posted By: redneckbmxer24
Date Posted: September/09/2004 at 18:10

i think i would go for the elite 4200w/mildot 6-24x40. but what yardages is "long range" for the 223.

 

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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: September/09/2004 at 20:34

There is a considerable difference between a "true" target scope and a varmit scope. A true Target Leo can be used for Varmit but a Varmit Leo would never be used on a bench gun in a big match. Consider the Savages 204 ruger. Remember that the amount of turning on the power adjustment knob of any scope is approx. 3/4 of a turn which takes that scope from its lowest power to its highest power. If the range of the power magnification is on the higher end say 6X18 or 8X24 you will be "flying" thru the powers as you adjust, as opposed to say 3X9. This makes the degree of precision the power knob per degree of turn much more for the lower power variables. In a varmit gun the higher powers are usually the most often as is the target scopes, making them appear similiar however the width of the reticle and the subtension of the adjustments are no where close between the two. This explains the $400 difference between the price of the two. If you are a formal target shooter the target is a must, however for vermin the varmit has advantages. It's imprecision if you will, actually covers up small sighting errors and tremor.



Posted By: swamprat
Date Posted: September/10/2004 at 10:25

redneckbmxer24

The .223 would be for prarie dogs 300-400 yds.

Dale

So a true target scope will have a finer reticule, and a more precise power adj. which of course will cost a bunch more? If the scope were decent then wouldn’t the POI be the same on say 6x as it would be at 16 1/2x. What I'm wondering is why such a precise power setting is necessary? I can understand that the AO needs to be precise to eliminate the parallax, at a specific range. I can use my bull barrel in Hunter class because it comes STD from the manufacture.

    The rifle will be set up for target mostly, and will use it once a year or so for the prairie dogs. So I guess I need a target scope, that I can use for the Pdogs. So is it possible to get a decent target scope for $500 or less? Thanks for your responses so far.

    BTW I'm a novice at this sport, but not to hunting. I should have mentioned this before.So any help would be appreciated. I was in a 22 LR match recently, even though I came in middle of the pack it was a blast, and I got the bug. My gun range has some benchrest matches for center fire that I would like to get into. The range is 200 yds max, but about 30 min away is a 500 yd range. I hear it calling me.

 



Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: September/20/2004 at 11:00

I think a good 6-24 would serve well for target and prairie dogs.  Something with finger adjustable windage and elevation, fully multi coated and a fine plex type reticle.

 

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http://www.riflescopes.com/products/200823/burris_signature_select_6-24x44.htm - Burris Signature Select 6-24x44.....$459.99

http://www.riflescopes.com/products/849411/weaver_classic_v24_6-24x42.htm - Weaver V-24 6-24x42.....$329.95

http://www.riflescopes.com/products/LEU55152/leupold_vx-iii_6.5-20x40.htm - Leupold VX-III 6.5-20x40.....$599.95

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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: October/03/2004 at 07:59
6 power on a setting (as an example) on one scope is not the same as six power setting on another. Only $1000 camera lenses will show this. Thus a 100 mm Macro camera lenses will have the same magnification as the 100 mm setting on a 35X150 mm variable of the brand camera lense. This is not the case with scopes. Cameras create a historical account (the picture) of how well they are made. Even on the camera lenses the picture quality would not be the same between the macro and the variable, the macro being far superior. This applies to TARGET scopes and scopes in general. If you are shooting Hunter class NRA, a max. power is all that is allowed (usually around 6x although this varies with club). This also applies to imformal matchs I have shot in Utah and Colorado. If there is no restriction all things being equal (Cateris Parabis) the better scope will win. In either case you can count on the fact that the people you are competing against have most of the reloading tricks down pat. These have far more effect on the outcome than any scope.


Posted By: bryansd8
Date Posted: October/31/2004 at 01:45
Swamprat:
You and I are alot alike...most of my prairie dog or belding ground squirrel shooting encompasses the majority of my "hunting".
With a DPMS heavy 24" barrel on my AR-15, I found it's caliber sufficed for my needs, which didn't go further than 300 yards. My
first scope of choice was a Leupold LR 6.5-20x50 side focus...

...and I DIDN'T like the $650 scope when I tried it out. I'm a lefty, and a side focus does nothing to help left handers. Lesson
learned! Plus the fine cross hair wasn't pleasant to work with, which is probably contrary to every other varmint hunters claim. I
found it too thin, and any hold-over was impossible to guage. I'm not a big dial-upper shooter. For me, holding over works with
my other rifles/scopes...just not with that Leupold for some reason!

So I took a chance and bought a Weaver V24 with a target dot for 1/2 the price of my expensive Leupold. For the next 4 years I
nailed 10 times as many rodents with it as my Leu had helped me do. For whatever reason, the Leupold and I were a toxic mix.
Can't explain it. Same rifle, different scope, exponentially better results. I love my V24 so much I swap it to my custom .22 when
the beldings come out in April, then back to the AR in the summer. Go V24 Weaver, my friend!
—bryan

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Posted By: mag41vance
Date Posted: September/08/2005 at 17:02
 I would get a fixed 24 power. Most people shooting target or varmints with a Variable power scope set it on high power any way. So take the gagets down to a minimum, and go fixed!

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Posted By: joed
Date Posted: November/26/2005 at 07:17

Originally posted by mag41vance mag41vance wrote:

 I would get a fixed 24 power. Most people shooting target or varmints with a Variable power scope set it on high power any way. So take the gagets down to a minimum, and go fixed!

 

Bravo!  I started varmint hunting with a varible scope but switched to a fixed power 24x after the first year.  To me the varible is useless as all I ever did was set it on the highest power anyway. 

 

 



Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: January/23/2006 at 13:15

Swamprat

I see one error here. .308 works just fine on all small critters. These Savages are not ment to interchange barrels like a T.C. Encore. You need to stay with .308 and spend more on your scope and ammo. Tactical scopes work just fine for targets and varmits. You want a scope with target knobs to easily adjust for windage and bullet drop


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