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Topic: New Nikon or New Bushnell tact?

Posted By: encoreguy
Subject: New Nikon or New Bushnell tact?
Date Posted: April/03/2007 at 11:19

I have narrowed my scope purchase down to a New Nikon Monarch 4-16 X 42 mil-dot (it has 40 moa of adjustment), the new Bushnell 6-24 X 50 tactical mil-dot (it has 45 moa of adjustment) and a 6-20 X 50 sightron with mil-dot (it has 45 moa adjustment) all are side focus models. The Nikon will probably run about $140 cheaper. It will be put on a .243 (for now) for long range coyotes. What would your pick be?

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: April/03/2007 at 14:47

http://www.swfa.com/pc-8770-218-new-nikon-4-16x42-monarch-riflescope.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-8770-218-new-nikon-4-16x42-monarch-ri flescope.aspx

I haven't seen it yet, but one feature that the new Nikon will be bringing is fixed eye relief, which I like.

Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: April/05/2007 at 18:18

I think any of the ones mentined will do the job quite well. The new Bushnell is an interesting scope and likely has the rainguard feature, The Nikons are very nice scopes and the Sightron should also be nice. One other option is a 2x aimpoint. I'm thinking coyotes = evening - low light possibly night time so light gathering and illuminated reticle could help.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-7774-843-aimpoint-2x-9000l-30mm-red-dot-sight.aspx - 11420	http://www.swfa.com/pc-7774-843-aimpoint-2x-9000l-30mm-red-dot-sight.aspx">	Aimpoint 2x 9000L 30mm Red Dot Sight Matte 1 MOA Dot 30mm Free Aimpoint Bikini Lens Cover w/ Purchase	SWFA:	$439.95
			http://www.swfa.com/pc-7774-843-aimpoint-2x-9000l-30mm-red-dot-sight.aspx" target=_blank onmouseout="MM_swapImgRestore;" onmouseover="MM_swapImage'btn_mi2', '', 'images/nav/btn_moreinfo_over.gif', 1;"> http://www.swfa.com/addtocart.aspx?returnurl=showcategory.aspx&productid=7774&variantid=7750" target=_blank onmouseout="MM_swapImgRestore;" onmouseover="MM_swapImage'btn_bi2', '', 'images/nav/btn_buy_over.gif', 1;">

I figure with a .243 you are probably inside 300 yds so a 2x might get you on target quickly. I also might consider a good 6x42 fixed power scope- very bright in low light.

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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger

Posted By: hot30
Date Posted: April/05/2007 at 19:09

Talked to Bushnell 2 weeks ago, they state the 6-24x50 has 50" int. adj.... Might help to make the pick allittle easier, 5" extra inches.. The 4200 is proofed at 10,000 rounds of H & H, sounds tough enough.. # 426245T

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Posted By: hunterco
Date Posted: April/13/2007 at 21:03

Is 40 MOA going to be enough for 1000m shooting?

Posted By: gconnoyer
Date Posted: April/14/2007 at 02:55

Does anyone know for sure if the Bushnell 4200 6-24x50 on this website is going to be the same as the model on Bushnell's site.

I looked on bushnell's and theirs say Side focus with target turrets, an email i got from here about the bushnell says no target turrets, and also the page for this model says AO. Just curious, if anyone has acutally bought this model from this website if you could chime about

-Target turrets

-focusing

Here are the links to the two. Same stocking number and pretty much the same item description except for a few things. I plan on buying this scope pretty soon but I would really appreciate these questions answered before I do. If it is the model from Bushnells website(2nd Link) then I'll buy, but not having target turrets is definatly shying me away. Focusing not such a big deal but side focus is very nice to have.

http://www.swfa.com/pc-9847-185-new-bushnell-6-24x50-elite-4200-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx - http://www.swfa.com/pc-9847-185-new-bushnell-6-24x50-elite-4 200-30mm-rifle-scope.aspx

http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescopes_elite4200_42-6245t.cfm - http://www.bushnell.com/general/riflescopes_elite4200_42-624 5t.cfm

Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: April/14/2007 at 22:02

.308

Bullet Drop (Inches)

	100y 91m	200y 183m	300y 275m	400y 366m	500y 458m	600y 549m	700y 641m	800y 732m	900y 824m	1000y 915m
M118	+16.5	+30.0	+36.0	+34.0	+22.5	Zero	-35.0	-80.0	-144.0	-230.0
M118LR	+17.4	+30.4	+36.3	+34.2	+22.6	Zero	-35.7	-86.8	-156.1	-246.7
F-175gr	+17.2	+29.9	+35.8	+33.9	+22.6	Zero	-34.8	-84.9	-153.7	-243.1
F-168gr	+17.7	+31.0	+37.2	+35.4	+23.5	Zero	-36.7	-90.8	-164.3	-261.7

Federal http://www.qksrv.net/click-827769-1481430?url=http://www.competitor.com/ctd/product.asp?sku=67122&thru=fr&mscssid=MXAD5MQVH99F8J072K8L070VXE1C83C9 - Gold Medal Match - .30-06 168gr Sierra Match King at 2700fps

Bullet Drop (Inches)

100y 92m	200y 183m	300y 275m	400y 366m	500y 458m	600y 549m	700y 641m	800y 732m	900y 824m	1000y 915m
+16.2	+28.4	+34.1	+32.3	+21.7	Zero	-33.8	-82.8	-150.6	239.7

http://www.qksrv.net/click-827769-1481430?url=http://www.competitor.com/ctd/product.asp?sku=67463&thru=fr&mscssid=MXAD5MQVH99F8J072K8L070VXE1C83C9 - Federal Gold Medal Match .300 Winchester Magnum 190gr Sierra Match King at 2900fps

Bullet Drop (Inches)

100y 92m	200y 183m	300y 275m	400y 366m	500y 458m	600y 549m	700y 641m	800y 732m	900y 824m	1000y 915m
+12.9	+22.5	+26.9	+25.1 ------------- "Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do". Bobby Paul Doherty Texas Ranger

Posted By: sandsock
Date Posted: April/15/2007 at 14:52

The well-meaning drone from Bushnell is confused with the 1-inch model. Large corporations are notorious for hiring people who don't give a bleep about their product but will start at minimum wage and not ask too many questions. The ones you identify in the links above are the ones you speak of...buy from SWFA and you'll never go wrong (if by some miracle they did the same mix-up when you ordered...they would gladly exchange it for the right scope because they would realize their mistake....they are not a huge monolithic multi-product-line diversified bureaucratic behemoth).

Posted By: Wvladimire
Date Posted: June/20/2007 at 19:20

I need to add something about the Bushnell Elite series. I will be publishing an article in October about several riflescope tests
and reviews we did. Among the ones tested was a Bushnell elite 3200 10x40 with mil-dot. It has the same target turrets as
the ones pictured above with the 4200. I know Bushnell claims that it can withstand 1,000 to 10,000 rounds on a H&H, but our
tests showed a failure at 5 rounds on a .50 BMG. One of the turrets flew off. On the other hand, it did have some very nice
optics.

Posted By: gconnoyer
Date Posted: June/21/2007 at 11:16

one of the turrets flew off? was the silver piece just not on right?.......I guess I'm glad I'm just using mine on a .308

Posted By: Wvladimire
Date Posted: June/21/2007 at 16:34

No the whole turret flew off, knob, insides, and all.

Flew off on the 5th shot from the .50BMG at 500 yards.

Posted By: hunterco
Date Posted: June/21/2007 at 16:42

Glad I bought a Burris XTR,

Posted By: Wvladimire
Date Posted: June/22/2007 at 11:58

We will be testing the Burris you mentioned when it arrives.

Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/22/2007 at 13:46

hunterco wrote:

Is 40 MOA going to be enough for 1000m shooting?

I would say NO but that all dependes on what you expect. Say you wanted to sight in at 1000 yds and only shoot that distance you could do that using a plus MOA base probably a +30moa would do it. The problem then is how much adjustment do you have up and down from there. When someone says 40moa interal adjustment if you centered it that would give you 20moa up and 20 moa down.

I think it is first of all unrealistic to expect a .243 to be of any value at 1000 yds because more bullet weight is needed to carry energy that distance and retain sufficient energy to do any real damage. Second Wind Temp Humidity Elevation Angle etc all play a part in where it strikes at that range.

Now lets think more in the terms of targets coyote size in the 200 to 600yd distance which is more likely. I think you could use a 6x42 IOR tactical or a 10x42 Super Sniper and have all the scope power you could use, with the 6x42 being a brighter optic with 7mm exit eye pupil. Would you stand a good chance of getting on target fast with a 2x Aimpoint shooting at a moving target - yes. The higher the scope power the more you need a steady solid rest. You might kill more coyotes with a 3-9x40 or so than the high power basically because you can get on target faster.

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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger

Posted By: gconnoyer
Date Posted: June/22/2007 at 16:30

I have my zero at 100 yards and still have enough MOA to shoot out at 1000 and have 3 or 4 left. I'd have to go check but I know I have a few left over and enough to get out there. I have a 20MOA leatherwood base.