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Topic: Cold weather clothes
Posted By: BeltFed
Subject: Cold weather clothes
Date Posted: December/10/2019 at 08:08
Winter is upon us, and hunting seasons are still open. Living next door to what used to be a major Army Post I have been able to get buy with military surplus to stay warm in the cold. Unfortunately most all of the combat training and fighting troops have been replaced with recruiting and office troops who don't spend much time in the field, and the good clothes and equipment are drying up.

Add the fact that I'm older now and don't handle the cold as well as I used to, and stuff I've always worn isn't doing the job now. I'm really understanding the phrase "cotton kills" now, and realize that the natural fabrics like wool, cotton, and down that were the standard when I grew up are no longer sufficient. Of course weight is a factor too. If moving in your clothes is difficult because they're heavy and constricting then problems are going to occur.

I'd like to start a discussion about cold weather clothes for both hunting and working outdoors in the cold, and that's both dry and wet cold weather.
So let me know what you use or recommend. From socks, underwear, boots, thermal layers, pants, shirts, jackets, coats, parkas, etc., or anything else. Brand names, or materials, lets hear about them.


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: December/10/2019 at 12:33
Merino socks, Merino underwear, 3 different weights, lots of different Primaloft insulation and top it off with Gore-Tex!

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: December/10/2019 at 13:17
Skip!  Thunbs Up

Layering is a great way to go. Merino base (next to skin) - light, medium, or heavy depending on how active you're going to be... a mid-layer or mid/outer combo... and jacket, depending on weather and warmth desired. It could be a soft shell, insulated jacket (like down), waterproof (like Gore-Tex, Toray, etc).

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Posted By: Longhunter
Date Posted: December/10/2019 at 23:40
I hate cold weather.  This from a hunter who has gone after:
1. Brown bear in Russia with treetop high snow, whiteouts, and ice bridges over frigid rivers;
2. Geese on the Chesapeake Bay with the temperature near zero and a 20 to 30 mph wind; and
3. Deer and geese in other locations with weather too cold and miserable to mention.

I can pass on several suggestions from my own experience:

First, a heavy hunting coat or parka can really restrict your freedom of movement and ability to shoot well.  My solution is an oversize gore-tex parka (with a non-noisy fabric) over a comfortably loose Fiberfill II jacket, with a warm, comfortable shirt.  I like down, but the synthetics are far better when things get wet.

Second, a portable gas heater is a great thing to have  in a goose blind.  I've huddled so close that I've melted the nylon knees on my hunting pants.

I'm sure you will get some really great suggestions from other members of this forum.

 

   


Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 04:32
Well, for cold weather I just load up on the clothes. I am not very scientific and I don't think that I have used Gore-Tex and all the new products that have come out over the past 50 years....maybe I did and didn't realize it.

If I'm going to be out all day and all night at some drilling rig and it's 25 Below Zero I naturally have on Duofold long johns ( two piece....None of those TRAPDOOR models! Ha! ) Then Levi's ( wool would be better! ), flannel shirt ( wool would be better ) a wool sweater over the shirt, then some kind of bib coverall ( like a canvas and nylon upland style bib..) followed by a down vest or a Carhartt vest....and then an Arctic Carhartt coat for when it really gets nasty after dark...leather work gloves with fuzz inside and one of those fuzzy Russian-looking hats with ear flaps ( I have a Swedish Army wool hat now with ear flaps....kind of looks like a gray wool Elmer Fudd hat..) And of course some kind of insulated work boot. 

I have always been able to move....I wasn't hunting in these clothes but I know I could shoulder a rifle. Actually, I never hunted in weather THAT cold. Zero is about as low as I saw when I was actually hunting. 


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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 04:55
Image result for army model M1A jacket

The time I was hunting and it was Zero degrees I was wearing one of these Army M1A jackets turned inside out with the orange out...it wasn't warm enough. I wouldn't do it today. I know a Woolrich wool parka would be a lot warmer....I don't even remember if I had a down vest under that jacket that day....but this jacket can't handle REAL Cold! 


Image result for cabelas mens sierra   jacket

For fifteen years I have had one of these Carhartt-style jackets ( mine says Cabela's on the tag..)  that are real heavy....some kind of fuzzy Black quilted lining inside filled with 100% polyester ( the picture is showing something else )....it's extremely warm....but is kind of bulky....but I would wear that if I was out hunting in zero degrees...

....Cabela's calls it the Sierra Hooded jacket...I recommend it. 

https://www.cabelas.com/product/CARHARTT-SANDSTONE-ACTIVE-JACKET/1836332.uts - https://www.cabelas.com/product/CARHARTT-SANDSTONE-ACTIVE-JACKET/1836332.uts

....about 20 years ago the dang government made it mandatory that all of us oilfielders had to have FIREPROOF clothing at the rig...and the company bought Carhartt fireproof jackets just like the one I have at home now...I wore it up in Wyoming and it was GOOD. 









 


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Posted By: Scrumbag
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 10:20
Layers are indeed your friend buddy.

Wool is a great material but a blend is a bit easier to wash and care for.

A breathable outer layer is also a must.

Scrummy

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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 19:36
polartec  jacket or vest for a mid layer  if it gets wet it rings out easily dries quickly.
https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/mens-jackets-vests-insulated - https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/mens-jackets-vests-insulated
North Face Jackets  or Carhart coveralls https://www.carhartt.com/products/carhartt-men-big-tall/Extremes-Coverall-Arctic-Quilt-Lined-X06 - https://www.carhartt.com/products/carhartt-men-big-tall/Extremes-Coverall-Arctic-Quilt-Lined-X06
light weight long underwear bottoms mine came from Cabellas but I dont see them Amazon has a selection. The Merino Wool is a good thing it insulates even when wet but dry in the dryer with heat one time and it will shrink.
Note: Captain Stubing Army Ranger just back from Vietnam in 1974 told me put an extra pair of socks in a plastic bag in your gear.  That was good advise.

Turtle Fur or Polartec neck gator  and or balaclava
gloves should be at least 200 gram thinsulate with gortex to waterproof these are PrimaLoft® Gold
https://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Mens-Pinnacle-Gloves-with-GORE-TEX-reg/2288507.uts?slotId=3 - https://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Mens-Pinnacle-Gloves-with-GORE-TEX-reg/2288507.uts?slotId=3





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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 20:43
I have a lot of merino wool pullovers ( most of which I bought at second hand clothes stores ) that I wear for long underwear tops....I don't care if they got a moth hole in them...they can't be beat for two or three dollars!     

I had ( still have...) an Army Surplus wool sweater ( maybe British ) with nylon shoulder patches and elbow patches and epulets that is indestructible. I have been wearing that for twenty-five years when it gets serious cold outside. 

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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 20:49
Image result for black  bear wool hunting  parka

I have one of these ancient Black Bear wool Mackinaw jackets that I got on eBay fifteen years ago.....indestructible!!! Mine is burgundy colored like this one.........


https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/723014706/1930s-black-bear-plain-wool-double - https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/723014706/1930s-black-bear-plain-wool-double



Image result for black  bear wool hunting  parka





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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 21:25




I always wanted to get a Johnson Woolen Mills muted plaid parka.....of course, I am old fashioned.....









 


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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 21:26
....and I don't like to be cold.....








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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 21:33
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I have got two pair of East German wool pants.....Army surplus.....I bought TWO PAIR for $10 years ago!!! These are like $150 pants!! I bought them for hunting but they are so nice I wear them for dress up!  









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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 21:39
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2019 at 21:42
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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: December/12/2019 at 08:06
Great info guys. Keep it coming, please. And don't forget boots.


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: December/12/2019 at 09:39
I wear Danner pronghorns.  I have two pair of unisulated a 400 gram pair and an 800 gram pair.  I have only wore the 800 gram pair a few times and boy were my toes toasty.  To much so in most cases.  But if I am sitting and not moving around while hunting they are nice to have. 

As far as clothes.  I have lots of different options.  I have light, mid, and heavy weight thermals.  Occasionally I will double them up.  If it is not wet, Walmart sells the lined Wrangler cargo pants that have fleece lining and they make a big difference.  If it is wet, I have several pairs of water proof insulated pants from Cabela's. 

Downside to waterproof, even though they claim they breath, they don't breath near as good as clothes that are not water proof.  So there is always that risk of getting wet when hiking from sweat. 

Coats, I have multiple weights and water proof ones as well.

One thing I bought a few years ago.  The milwaukee jackets/coats that are heated with the 12 volt tool batteries.  They are awesome.  I bought one that is a lighter fleece jacket that works great for layering under a heavier coat and when it is really cold it keeps me much warmer.  I also have one of their heavier coats as well that I wear without layering and it pretty great.  It even warms the pockets.


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/12/2019 at 12:01
These Texas winters can get mighty blustery to the point I sometimes have to put on 2 long sleeve t-shirts to fend off Jack Frost's frigid breath and turn that "heater" thingy on in my car!

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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: December/12/2019 at 16:10
Because our terrain includes swamp areas as well as hardwoods, and temps often dip well below freezing I wear LaCosse Alpha Burly Pro’s. They keep my feet dry and with 800g of Thinsulate my feet are always warm. Bear in mind I am always walking so not sure if they would be warm enough in really cold weather if sitting for long spells. They grip the ankles well and are adjustable around the calf so don’t slip around when navigating rough terrain.

Used to wear a Filson upland game coat made of their tin cloth as an outer shell with a down vest inside for warmth. Toughest coat I ever had and was 100% waterproof but didn’t breath and in cold weather the fabric got really stiff. Now wear just a Gortex outer jacket from Cabelas that is roomy enough to accommodate various vests depending on the temp.


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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/12/2019 at 17:11
Image result for cabelas iron ridge

Last hunting boots I had was Cabela's Iron Ridge 800 gram insulated leathers....




They were good....I didn't get cold in them and I wore them at work in that cemetery in Pennsylvania in the winter when we sometimes had to get down in a flooded grave and toss out the ice and dig out the cave-ins before the funeral party arrived!  ( We didn't want to advertise that lots of graves in the winter will always flood.....Poor Uncle Charlie!!! Bucky )  



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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/12/2019 at 17:38
I will not own a pair of boots that isn't Goodyear Welt soled. I refuse to buy a 'disposable' boot!    



https://www.undandy.com/uk/undandy-world/style-guides/blake-vs-goodyear - https://www.undandy.com/uk/undandy-world/style-guides/blake-vs-goodyear



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Posted By: coyote95
Date Posted: December/13/2019 at 06:07
layer,layer,layer and wick,wick,wick ! most important you have to keep your head warm. I usually use a  
thick wool or synthetic beanie with another wind blocking, insulating and ear covering type over first one. you can always pull one off if you start to over heat. The upper body uses some type of high tech synthetic wicking first layer, second layer  uses the heavy weight merino wool base shirt, third layer will be a heavy weight wool shirt  and last and most important is some type of wind blocking,insulated water proof jacket.Its pretty much the same for lower body. The hands and feet are the hard part.Big Smile


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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/14/2019 at 22:41
...and don't get wet!     Shocked

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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/14/2019 at 22:48
And Texas DOES get cold and nasty.....I almost froze to death in a blizzard up in the Panhandle in 1995 when I was working on the railroad....and I dressed for Wyoming when I was working on the Gulf Coast in Texas in the 70s when it was in the twenties and everything on the rig was freezing up....you can freeze your ass off down on the Gulf Coast if you don't know what you're doing!   

I have seen smudge pots burning in orange groves in Florida and in South Texas!   




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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/14/2019 at 23:03
This is beside the point, and a little bit off topic, but I wonder how many of you people know that the Mexican troops that were marching to San Antonio to reinforce Santa Ana at the Alamo were actually caught in a snowstorm blizzard down in South Texas in 1836 south of Corpus Christi....and many of them died in February 1836.....

.....you can DIE in Texas if you ain't READY!!!   







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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: December/15/2019 at 17:24
NOTE TO SELF......pack the hand warmers at the top of the hunting back pack along with the flashlight.
Whistling


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Posted By: JimFromTN
Date Posted: December/17/2019 at 09:46
This topic has been plaguing me recently.  I have always layered.  The reason for layering was because I would walk almost a mile to my hunting spot and I would be overheated and sweating by the time I was setup and hunting if I had all of the clothes I intended to wear hunting already on.  I would layer lightly and have the remaining layers in my pack.  Things have changed.  I purchased land and now I just walk a few hundred yards from my back door and I am at my tree stand.  In this situation, I no longer layer.  Typically, I wear a pair of pants, a thermal shirt, a regular long sleeve tshirt, insulated gortex bibs, and an insulated gortex parka.  I am toasty warm down into the 20's.  Have not had a chance to test anything colder.  The only thing I have not really figured out is boots.  As a kid, I never had proper footwear in the snow and my feet have been frost bit on numerous occasions.  Now when I hunt, my toes are usually in excruciating pain.  800gr insulate boots won't keep me comfortable below about 40 degrees sitting in a tree stand.  A friend of mine takes off his boots and puts on down booties filled with hand warmers when he gets to his stand.  I have not tried this yet because I don't have any kind of boots that slip off easily and I don't want to sit on the ground and spend 10 minutes getting out of my lace up boots.

The other curse of my feet is that they are extra wide and it is very difficult to find good boots that fit.  My standard everyday shoe is a new balance 11 4E.  There is boot company called Belleville that makes extra wide boots but their selection is limited.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: December/17/2019 at 21:51
have you thought about battery powered socks?  Or heated insoles.   Might be the ticket for you

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Posted By: JimFromTN
Date Posted: December/18/2019 at 09:59
I tried the electric socks probably 20 years ago and they were worthless.  If they have redesigned them, they could very well be allot better.  I have looked into the heated insoles and have been considering them.  I am just reluctant to pull the trigger because I am afraid they will be a waste of money.  The prices range from around $15 to $100 and those that have allot of reviews, have bad reviews. Dewalt needs to come up with a pair that run off of a 20v battery kind of like Milwaukee's heated vest.   


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: December/18/2019 at 20:52
buy from amazon and return if they are crap. With their excellent return policy it would be worth a try

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Posted By: jasonpitt908
Date Posted: August/25/2020 at 08:59
I will own a pair of Chukka Boot that isn't Goodyear Welt soled. I got a pair of Boots from a brand which makes Handcrafted Leather Boots for Men...

https://lethato.com/collections/boots - https://lethato.com/collections/boots   


Posted By: Raido
Date Posted: August/25/2020 at 15:11
Hello! Does anybody use heated clothes? I think about a pair of heated gloves


Posted By: RobinSm89
Date Posted: January/21/2021 at 07:30
Originally posted by Son of Ed Son of Ed wrote:

Image result for black  bear wool hunting  parka

I have one of these ancient Black Bear wool Mackinaw jackets that I got on eBay fifteen years ago.....indestructible!!! Mine is burgundy colored like this one.........


https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/723014706/1930s-black-bear-plain-wool-double - https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/723014706/1930s-black-bear-plain-wool-double



Image result for black  bear wool hunting  parka




Great shirt, just now, as I understand it is nowhere to be found. I couldn't find how much I searched, except for a second hand


Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: January/21/2021 at 08:12
Filson sells a MacKinaw cruiser jacket but they ain’t cheap, just a hair under $400.

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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/21/2021 at 08:15
Yes, Black Bear went out of business years ago. They were from Seattle. I have seen coats exactly like this with another name....I think it was Skyline. But I can't remember precisely. Those Skyline coats that I saw on eBay were also old. I figure Skyline took over Black Bear but I'm sure they're gone now, too. It's not a shirt...it's a heavy thick wool like a Filson. 



* I think I paid like $15 for that on eBay from some guy in Denver. I also have an ancient Woolrich mackinaw that is my Number Two warmest coat. I paid $10 for it on ebay.....haha! 


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/21/2021 at 10:51
Sounds like a new "Ed Show" topic... "Eduardo's Shopping Guide"

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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/21/2021 at 12:34
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/21/2021 at 12:37
DPM Falklands Parka without liner

I haven't even written my term paper on the Falklands SAS parka....











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Posted By: Longhunter
Date Posted: January/22/2021 at 10:21
A good heavy scarf in an unobtrusive color (like dull black) is an important part of my winter hunting gear.  It helps camouflage your face, and keep it warm when the cold gets really nasty. 


Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/14/2021 at 17:49
And it will fit over your Mandatory Joe Biden mask!!   Bucky

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/15/2021 at 16:49
Originally posted by Son of Ed Son of Ed wrote:

And it will fit over your Mandatory Joe Biden mask!!   Bucky

The best way to get me to NOT do something is tell me it is "Mandatory".  I will expend a great deal of energy proving to you that "Mandatory" is a relative term...


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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/17/2021 at 03:22
During the recent EMERGENCY in Texas ( The electricity blew up! ) I was wearing a lot of the clothes I have mentioned INSIDE my apartment! I was without any power for two days....It got kinda chilly walking around the house when the inside temp was 43 degrees!      Big Grin


I couldn't even make a cup of coffee and was reduced to drinking alcohol and fruit juice.....






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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: February/17/2021 at 05:53
Well, sounds like there were some side benefits for you Ed.

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Posted By: TashiaGerard
Date Posted: June/01/2021 at 09:03
Wow, I had a similar experience, only in the camp. We were 7 in the group and we were climbing small rocks in Canada in late autumn. It was also cold, and one day we were left without a burner (we lived in tents). No warm tea, no hot food. But then my coach taught me how to sleep properly, so as not to freeze in the morning. When you lie down in the sleeping bag, you remain only in the t-shirt and pants, and all the other clothes lie down next to you. In the morning, when your body has warmed itself, you will put on warm clothes and you'll not freeze. We "survived" the unpleasant moments and my coach ordered seems in T-shirts in memory of this camp.

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