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Topic: NEW SWFA SS 2.5-10x32 Ultralight BDC Rifle Scope
Posted By: Chris Farris II
Subject: NEW SWFA SS 2.5-10x32 Ultralight BDC Rifle Scope
Date Posted: August/09/2019 at 09:54
Introducing the newest addition to the SWFA SS Ultralight line, the 2.5-10x32 BDC. The SS Ultralight line boasts the same unmatched durability and dependability you have come to expect from the
SS line of products. Low-profile, ¼ MOA, capped turrets offer 15 MOA of adjustment per revolution and a total adjustment range of 70 MOA for both elevation and windage. Backed by the unbeatable
SS 4-LIFE Transferable Warranty, the SWFA SS 2.5-10x32 Ultralight Riflescope is breaking the mold and proving that sometimes less is more. 







The BDC reticle features 4 main hold points for most .223 / 5.56 ammo, the primary crosshair for 50 and 200 yards followed by the 300, 400, & 500 yard holdovers. The hashmark just above the
main crosshair gives you a 100 yard hold and there are hashmarks between the main holds for 250, 350, & 450 yards also. The top of the bottom thick post on the main crosshair is conveniently
positioned for a 550 yard hold and the reticle provides quick aiming points for 5 and 10 mph winds out to 500 yards as well. 





The SS Ultralight MSR-556 BDC reticle is calibrated for a 16” barrel using the ballistic data generated from a 55 grain (gr) bullet with a muzzle velocity of 3,100 feet per second (fps).  The fps data of 3,100 was achieved by averaging the fps of all available 55 gr ammunition (excluding sub-sonic).

While the MSR-556 BDC reticle was designed and calibrated for 55 gr 5.56 at 3,100 fps it works well with many other bullet weights and similar calibers.  The charts below demonstrates the ability to use  62 gr 5.56 and still hold dead-on out to 550 yards with only a 0.6 MOA difference in POI, or you can simply sight your M855 62 gr 5.56 in at 225 yards instead of 200 yards and make it align significantly better at distance. In this scenario the M855 will be sighted in 0.5 MOA (~1 inch) high at 200 yards.

The result of calibrating the reticle using this exact data is the ability to use almost any .223/5.56 ammunition you can buy and accurately shoot from 50 yards to 550 yards with no adjustments.



As you can see in the chart below, the difference in 5 mph & 10 mph wind holds between the 55 gr and 62 gr is almost non existent. 

The chart below is in MOA. 




The SWFA SS BDC 2.5-10x32's sleek, 1" main tube and 32mm objective paired with a simple yet extremely useful BDC reticle give it a streamlined profile with a one-two punch that is perfect for your next AR build.



http://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-2-5-10x32-ultralight-rifle-scope-1.html - http://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-2-5-10x32-ultralight-rifle-scope-1.html  <----  Click here to purchase!


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/09/2019 at 12:15
I have had a chance to play with the prototype scope that had this BDC reticle and I will properly test a production scope over the next few weeks (I should have it in my hands in a couple of days or so).

Here are my earlier impressions:
http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=2317 - http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=2317

ILya


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: August/09/2019 at 12:29
Damn, I bought the plex too soon!

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/09/2019 at 12:41
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Damn, I bought the plex too soon!

I see no reason to not have both.  Don't forget that they also have a rimfire version now with plex reticle and 50 yard parallax.

I really like this little scope, so I plan to have all three.

ILya


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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: August/09/2019 at 13:02
Damn, that’s sweet!!! I did the same and bought the standard model with plex for my .17 HMR. It was the only one they had in stock at the time, dont get me wrong, it’s no slouch, I really like.

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Posted By: MWDG3
Date Posted: August/11/2019 at 02:39
Now you need one with the mil-quad for AR10.  ;)


Posted By: DWilly
Date Posted: August/12/2019 at 22:10
what distance is the parallax set at?


Posted By: DWilly
Date Posted: August/12/2019 at 22:14
just found it on the dimensions...100 yds. sorry


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/12/2019 at 22:37
The BDC scopes has 250 yard parallax distance

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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: August/13/2019 at 08:04
It has 150 yard parallax, the 100 yards listed in the specs was a typo and has been fixed. 

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/17/2019 at 16:46
I received the scope and started playing with it.  There are a couple of small reticle difference (they use 3, 4 and 5 instead of 300, 400 and 500) which I like.

I'll spend some time shooting with it, but for now it is on a tripod and I am trying to tell if the 150 yards parallax is making the difference that I hoped it would make.  So far, I think it does.  Using the BDC holds looks to be easier.

ILya


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Posted By: frozentundra
Date Posted: August/21/2019 at 11:30
Any chance of listing the BCD and wind hold subtensions in MOA?  I currently have this scope on a Ruger American Ranch in 7.62x39.    

I'm thinking that the BDC may line up acceptably for Golden Tiger with a 160 yard zeroing scheme as follows:  200, 225, 250, 300, 325, 350 with some rounding/fudging to simplify.  This is based off the comments section on ILya's website where he listed 1, 2.1, 3.5, 5, 6.7, 8.5 as probable MOA subtensions for the drops.

I was using .310(G1)BC (as estimated by Rob Ski from AK operators union) for the unusual Boat Tail FMJ used in the 124 grain Golden Tiger @ 2350 fps.   1.8" scope height.  

According to Strelok, there shouldn't really be over 2.5" of vertical error at any given distance using these numbers.  From 0-250 it should be withing 1.65" or so.  

This would also yield a maximum point blank range of 180 yards where the projectile would be within 1.65" of point of aim (hitting 1.65" high from 90-100 yards would be mostly offset by using the 100 yard hold-under point).  At 190 yards the bullet would drop 2" bellow point of aim, and at 200 it would be getting toward 2.9"(1.3 MOA) where the first BDC hash would mostly correct.  

If I haven't messed anything up too badly, some permutation of this zeroing scheme could probably be used for various 16"-18" rifle/7.62x39-300 blackout load combinations with this scope.  

Somebody please let me know if I screwed up.   




  


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/21/2019 at 11:57
The subtensions on my website are correct, to the best of my knowledge.  That did not change in the latest version of the reticle.

I think your math is generally correct.  I originally ran some simulations on how this reticle would work with other calibers and I think you calculations are very close to what I came with for 7.62x39 and 300 Blackout.

Naturally, you will want to confirm this on paper.  In practical terms, if you are getting correct hits at 300, the rest of the curve will mostly fall in. 

ILya


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Posted By: BlackSox16
Date Posted: August/21/2019 at 20:37
Just a couple comments here.  This looks like an awesome little compact scope...scopes of this size and magnification are my absolute favorite.  I have plenty of mountain type rifles in my mind where these would work great.  Hopefully it survives.  Seems like in the last 10 yrs or so, alot of scope makers come out with great little compacts but they always get discontinued.


Posted By: frozentundra
Date Posted: August/22/2019 at 20:23
I was able to shoot at 250 and 300 with the Ruger American 7.62x39.  My elevation was good enough that it would have mostly kept me on an 8 inch steel plate using the holdovers as described above, however I was getting odd fliers that were printing a little higher (probably the ammo, chamber heat soak, or more likely the loose wingnut behind the trigger).  I wish I had a chronograph.  

I was at a challenging wilderness venue, and the wind was swirling and gusting around the terrain features, so that was sub-optimal.  After getting an idea about wind, I was able to hold some 2 and 2.5 MOA groups at 250 and 300.  Certainly nothing to write home about, but it would have been really easy to get center hits on a silhouette target out to 350 using the BDC for holdovers with this zeroing scheme.  I'm going to bring some 8" and 10" steel out to this venue next time.  

It's nice being able to actually see the targets while shooting 7.62x39 for a change!! Big Grin 

I need to put one of these scopes on an AR.    



Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: August/22/2019 at 21:15
    When planning to use BCD hold overs, I like to sight in at the longer sight point, say the 500 yard hash mark. The BCD matching error at the closer distances are minimal compared to the error at 500 if sighted in on the 100 yard zero.


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 18:44
ILya,

Did you ever set this scope up with just high(ish) rings on an AR, like you mentioned in an earlier review?  I like the idea as it would essentially recreate the original M16 Carry Handle, which was darned handy.

From the photos above and from your thread on OpticsThoughts, it looks like a combination of the eye relief and the scope's geometry might just allow such on a flat top AR.  It would also allow me to get the scope lower than pretty much any standard mount, which appeals to me as well (I like to get low on an AR).

This scope with BDC intrigues me in general, this particular possibility particularly so.

 -Atlas Shrug


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 18:47
Yes, I did.  Worked great.
 


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 18:50
Nice tripod...

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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 18:59
Thanks ILya, I think I'm sold on the concept.  The picture helps quite a bit.

-Atlas Shrug


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 19:16
Originally posted by Atlas Shrug Atlas Shrug wrote:

Thanks ILya, I think I'm sold on the concept.  The picture helps quite a bit.

-Atlas Shrug

To comfortably use as a carry handle, you would need the rings slightly higher than what I have pictured, but with that stock and my face, the height worked really well.

The BDC scope I have will go into higher rings, but it will be on a rifle with a thicker stock.

ILya


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 19:17
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Nice tripod...

Varavon Short Baby with SSP-1 from Precision Rifle Solutions


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 19:38
Thank you... I really like it.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 19:46
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Thank you... I really like it.

I have two of these and they work exceedingly well.  Very sturdy support.  One lives in the trunk of my car.

ILya


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 20:08
ILya,

Do you have any specific ring recommendations for this use?  I have some Leupold MK 4 1" steel rings on another scope that are fairly high and might work, but I'm starting to look at others too.

The Aero Precision mount shown in the original post here may also work, but it looks like it may be a little high for my preference.  Also, I may want something more robust given the intended usage.

Thanks,
Atlas Shrug


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: August/24/2019 at 23:43
Sometimes, we just need a new mount...

Bobro Precision Engineering Dual Ring Dual Lever mount...




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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: August/25/2019 at 08:36
Well, the Mk 4 rings I have are not high enough.  The ones shown here look like they might be TPS HRT rings - are they?  If so, what height?  

I’m considering the TPS TSR rings. Sighting wise, the High should be good, but I may need the extra high for adequate clearance to grab the scope as a handle, especially if wearing light gloves.  These rings in aluminum seem like a good direction for this project.

Pondering the plan....

Atlas Shrug


Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: August/25/2019 at 14:18
Shocked

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/25/2019 at 14:27
Originally posted by Atlas Shrug Atlas Shrug wrote:

Well, the Mk 4 rings I have are not high enough.  The ones shown here look like they might be TPS HRT rings - are they?  If so, what height?  

I’m considering the TPS TSR rings. Sighting wise, the High should be good, but I may need the extra high for adequate clearance to grab the scope as a handle, especially if wearing light gloves.  These rings in aluminum seem like a good direction for this project.

Pondering the plan....

Atlas Shrug

The rings I used in the picture are indeed TPS HRT High rings, item number TPS40522.

To use the scope as a carry handle, extra high rings would work better:
https://www.swfa.com/tps-tsr-weaver-style-1-rings-18.html?___SID=U - https://www.swfa.com/tps-tsr-weaver-style-1-rings-18.html?___SID=U

ILya


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: August/25/2019 at 17:59
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

To use the scope as a carry handle, extra high rings would work better:
https://www.swfa.com/tps-tsr-weaver-style-1-rings-18.html?___SID=U - https://www.swfa.com/tps-tsr-weaver-style-1-rings-18.html?___SID=U

ILya
Yep, those are the ones I already put on my list. Now all I need is a Labor Day Sale later this week...... -Atlas Shrug

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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: August/30/2019 at 15:43
Originally posted by Atlas Shrug Atlas Shrug wrote:


Yep, those are the ones I already put on my list.

Now all I need is a Labor Day Sale later this week......

-Atlas Shrug
So with the Labor Day sale, I now have one of the BDC scopes soon to be on its way to me....

Smile


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: August/30/2019 at 15:46
Well I messed up the quote formatting once again....

"So with the Labor Day sale, I now have one of the BDC scopes soon to be on its way to me...."

Sigh,
Atlas Shrug


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/30/2019 at 18:55
Let me know how you like it.  I've been shooting with mine for a little bit now and I like it.

ILya


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Posted By: Litehiker
Date Posted: September/07/2019 at 15:16
Light as this ne Ultralight is i still prefer the features of my SWFA 3 - 15 x 42 SS rifle scope. 

I need a mil graduated reticle for use with my rangefinder binoculars that give me a mil hold readout for my particular rifle and cartridge.

Will this new Ultralight soon have the nice SWFA mil reticle?

Eric B.


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/07/2019 at 18:24
Well, the scope I purchased during the Labor Day sale arrived, and I think I'm going to like it. 

I've not had the chance to take it to the range yet, but after mounting it on the upper I intend to use it on I have a very good feeling about it. 

It's so balanced and well proportioned on a svelt AR-15.  I have it on a 16" lightweight upper (Voodoo Innovations Ultralight barrel - basically a slightly slimmed down pencil profile, plus MI Gen3 Light Weight handguard). The complete scoped rifle only weighs right at seven pounds (all standard components, nothing of special lightweight intent other than the thin VDI barrel and the SWFA scope).

To mount the SWFA scope to the upper receiver, I used the Burris XTR Signature rings because:

a. they were in stock (unlike the TPS rings I originally planned to try)
b. I thought the height might be enough (1.25" to scope center in this case)
c. the Pos-Align aspects of these rings might be good for this application
d. they have six screws/ring, and a correspondingly larger contact area with the scope

The last two characteristics above may help minimize any tolerance concerns when mounting the scope on an AR with two rings instead of a single base/mount, and then using the scope as a carry handle.

So far, the handling and balance seem excellent.  Although light, the scope seems very well put together, has very bright glass, and what I expect will be a very useful reticle (at least for my purposes). 

It seems that the "scope as a carry handle" method may work nicely.  I do not have small hands, but my hands and fingers are somewhat thin and I have no problem carrying the rifle by the scope. The 0.75" distance from the top of the rail to the bottom of the scope tube provided by the Burris rings gives adequate clearance.  I think less (like 0.675" as some have) would be a problem, and 1" would be more than necessary.  Thus for me the 0.75"-0.875" range is likely perfect, unless wearing winter gloves.

These rings also place the sight line of the scope down about 0.25" from where most single piece mounts put it (1.5" versus my 1.25").  I always prefer the sight line a little lower than most others seem to, and I can even handle it down to just over 1" (I have a background in smallbore rifle and thus I always had a very low, very firm cheek position/cheek pressure preference). The net 1.25" height here works quite well for me.

I'll see how the setup works on live fire at the range and in the field and report back.  Given prior SWFA scope experiences and the earlier reviews of this scope, I have high expectations.



Posted By: DWilly
Date Posted: September/07/2019 at 22:41
i just got one of these but in the 50 yd parallax version for my 22LR. it is a very nice scope, quite comfortable to look through, very clear. the local squirrels put a notice on Bookface that it was not a good thing...


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: September/09/2019 at 09:16
Bought a second one last week for another 17 HMR. Bucky

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/10/2019 at 17:59
Here's a review from my buddy Joe (who goes by the handle "Pirate Joe" here on OT) for this scope:



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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 08:44
I always get a kick out of Joe's YouTube videos.  Informative yet irreverent.

"Smooth as a stripper's armpits."  Gotta love it!

-Atlas Shrug


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 11:00
Yeah Joe really has a way with words. He's a master story-teller, a poet with a penchant for weaving a tapestry of beautiful words that bring tears to the eyes of anyone with a functioning soul.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 12:06
"nailed that sh#t"  haha


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Posted By: Pirate Joe
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 12:40
  Lol , thanks for liking the review guys ! It really is a very impressive scope . I heard that a forum I believe it's " 24 Hour Vaginal Itch Campfire" or something like that had said the eye relief was a problem .
   Absolutely untrue , I test a lotta scopes and this one is just like the other 90% of them . Very comfortable and plenty long . One of the Really nice touches was I was able to change from the lowest to the highest magnification without having to adjust the camera setup. 
   I think Chris nailed it with this scope . There were 7-8 guys at the rifle range early last week when I took one out to show a guy , it quickly shut the shooting line completely down as guys came over to check it out . It was more interesting to see them react to the sharp image than the weight . They just kept looking at it like the first time they had seen a holo sight. 
   Yippee


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 12:56
Hey Joseph, now that you’re retired and have nothing but time on your hands, you need to hang around these parts more often. We need more of your colorful brand of humor!




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Posted By: Pirate Joe
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 12:57
 It's either here or Campfire Anal Itch forum . I think this is better 


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 12:59
Mr Atlas, how about a picture of your rifle with your new scope.  I think we would all like to see it.  :)


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 14:57
Originally posted by Pirate Joe Pirate Joe wrote:

 It's either here or Campfire Anal Itch forum . I think this is better 

If I've heard it once, I've heard it a thousand times...this place is indeed way better than anal itch.

So, we got that going for us...which is nice!


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Posted By: Pirate Joe
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 15:04
. Yeah I have a hard time remembering that Forums name . I know it's got the words like Campfire , Or Panty Waste , or 24 hour penis envy in it . I'm just a lil fuzzy on the details . 


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 15:29
Good intel there, Joe!

And as per usual, spoken with the eloquence and grace you're well-known for, sir!


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 15:39
I've told a few on here the story about the time we were up in the TX panhandle shooting prairie dogs, and after lunch on a particularly slow day of shooting, we spent the remainder of the day hunting for a midget little person for you to get a "selfie" with.

So many really funny -- and usually totally devoid of anything remotely "PC" -- events occurred when hanging out with Joe... and I'm eternally grateful for that. That's the thing about Joe; he's gloriously un-PC and doesn't give the first schitt what anyone thinks about it! Hilarious dude and a great friend!


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 15:47
One thing common to every single occasion I've spent hanging out with Joe is by the time the adventure is over, I'm completely worn out from laughing so hard, so much. The guy is truly one of the funniest people I've ever met. In a lot of respects, his personality and sense of humor reminds me of Brandon (Bigdaddy), and I have no doubt those two would get along great.

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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 16:14
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Mr Atlas, how about a picture of your rifle with your new scope.  I think we would all like to see it.  :)



Well, I would be happy to post a couple of ugly pictures from my cell phone, but as a mere Grasshopper I currently do not have the rights to do so.

So just doing a really really good job of imagining will have to do for now. :-)

-Atlas Shrug


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 16:31
Try this tread out.  Bump up your post count.  http://www.opticstalk.com/boost-your-post-count_topic10080.html - http://www.opticstalk.com/boost-your-post-count_topic10080.html


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 17:03
OK I put one up there and may do a few more, but it sure does seem kinda silly overall...and it’s still gonna take a while to get to the magic 50 post level. So no breath holding should be done...


Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 17:36
Sadly, a few things are kinda hectic here and thus it may be a few more days before I can actually shoot the rifle the scope is on.  For now, some dry fire snap shots on 2.5x will have to do. 

As noted, I can carry it like a lunch box using the scope as a handle, but it would be easier with another 1/8” of clearance.  Thus 0.875” to 1” would be easier (with a resulting 1.4” to 1.5” centerline height, which is about standard).

But it sure does feel nice carrying it around by the handle..... :-)


Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 17:48
Also FWIW, while I imagine the parallax setting might be problematic, at a quick glance at a ballistics table the current BDC might be reasonable useful for .22lr shooting from about 40 yards out to 100 yards or so.  The “3” line is close to 60 yards, 4 close to 80, 5 close to 100. All this at 10X, hence at 5X the “5” line would be good for about 150 yards, etc.

Of course an eventual .22lr specific BDC or mil-quad would be nice, but I imagine that might be years out - or maybe never. Hence just academic drivel for now.

-Atlas Shrug 


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 17:51
Atlas, I'll be happy to post a photo for you until you reach the magic 50 posts if you wish. PM me for details.

The reason behind the "50 post rule" is to help discourage spammers from bombarding the board with ads.


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 17:54
Oh I totally get the reason for the requirement, I just personally feel kinda silly posting twaddle just to increase a post count....

Thank you for the offer - PM outbound in a bit.

-AS


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/11/2019 at 18:18
Atlas Shrug's rifle:




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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/12/2019 at 06:15
Thank you for posting the picture, RifleDude!

The Burris XTR rings are placed in such a way as to maximize the inter-ring distance, which is still minimal for “lunch box carry” use. 

It works for me and is IMHO a great proof of concept, though 

For a more generic implementation, high/extra high rings yielding a 1.5” sight line height are probably best. There is one taller version of these rings which would work, but the TPS TSR extra high probably are better, as they are more narrow and this give a greater inter-ring distance. 

Baby steps forward...

-Atlas Shrug 


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: September/12/2019 at 16:02
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:


If I've heard it once, I've heard it a thousand times...this place is indeed way better than anal itch.

So, we got that going for us...which is nice!



Go Pack Go!


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/12/2019 at 17:43
Nice to know I’m at a place at the top of its game...


Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: September/19/2019 at 09:53
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

 
I see no reason to not have both.  Don't forget that they also have a rimfire version now with plex reticle and 50 yard parallax.

ILya
 
old question, but re-visiting.   if I were to scope my 17 Hornet with one of these and wouldn't be using mags higher than 2.5 at 50 yards and closer, do I need a 'rimfire' version? 


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/19/2019 at 17:39
Interesting question.  I don’t know much about the 17 Hornet, but from this article it looks like the trajectory is very close to that of a 55gr .223:

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/17-hornet/ - http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/17-hornet/

(There is a graphic of the trajectory that I would post if I could post pictures....)

So to me it looks like may want to buy the BDC version and see how close it matches your .17 Hornet in the field.

Enjoy and please report back if you try this.

-AS


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: September/22/2019 at 23:39
Originally posted by Atlas Shrug Atlas Shrug wrote:

Interesting question.  I don’t know much about the 17 Hornet, but from this article it looks like the trajectory is very close to that of a 55gr .223:

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/17-hornet/ - http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/17-hornet/

(There is a graphic of the trajectory that I would post if I could post pictures....)

So to me it looks like may want to buy the BDC version and see how close it matches your .17 Hornet in the field.

Enjoy and please report back if you try this.

-AS

I looked at the ballistics of your 17 and if you sight in around 225-230 it is not too far off out to 400 yards or so.

Looks usable.

ILya


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/26/2019 at 20:49
I finally get to shoot my rifle with the new scope soon....

I’m going to sight it in with IMI M193 and see how things go from there.

Can’t wait!

-Atlas Shrug 


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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: September/27/2019 at 13:50
Can't wait to read all about it.

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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: September/27/2019 at 18:20
I didn’t have as much time at the range as I needed, but I did get to sight in two uppers - one wearing the 2.5-10.

As noted, I sighted it in with IMI M193.  Very little correction from mounting and bore sighting was required, which always feels good as it’s a general indicator of properly manufactured components, and a proper scope and ring mounting job (I’m fairly meticulous but not a super duper lapping every ring type). 

A few clicks and my 25 yard sighting in was done.  So back to 100 yards for a few confirmation shots on paper, with a couple of fine tuning clicks, followed by a few quick shots at one of my AR500 gongs (12” square).  No problem, centered hits.  Back to 200 for a few shots - good center hits with the crosshairs, so no adjustments necessary there.

I was about out of time (I had another upper I sighted in at the closer distances, a never fired barrel, scope, and 45 degree BUIS all needing regulating, plus a persnickety chronograph, so it took a bit of time).  I still wanted to try a couple of shots at 300 though, so I loaded 10 rounds and shot a few fairly quick shots from each shoulder at the gong.  Visibility was not great, but I managed hits nonetheless (there are some low limbs partially obscuring my current 300 yard target placement). 

So the net result was I was able to test the BDC, but only out to 300 and only with IMI M193.  So far, so good.

I like the reticle.  I used it at about 5x when at 25 getting a basic sight in, then set it to 10x for everything following that.  The view was fairly clear - not as bright as some of my higher dollar scopes (Steiner P4Xi), or larger objective scopes (Nikon Monarch 5 ED 2-10x42), but decent.  I could not do a one for one comparison today, so some slight haziness in the hot September sun may be contributing to my perception of the overall image brightness and clarity.  (My targets are in the shade, most of the range in the sun, so it’s a decent quick test for optical clarity and contrast.)

Aside from the dozen or so clicks to get centered, I didn’t really test the knobs. The clicks were crisp and seemed to do what was intended.  

In between all of the shooting I also had to check on my bees and do a few other tasks, so when doing so I carried the rifle around - mainly by the scope in the “lunch box handle” mode.  It worked well, particularly when carrying it with my left hand (the windage knob is not in the way of my index finger as it is with right handed carry).  A nice, under seven pound AR sure is a joy to carry around.

The rifle has a very light barrel as previously noted, so I don’t expect this to be a super accurate rifle - especially for lots of rapid shots. But for carrying around when I’m working on the farm and not really out shooting, it’s close to ideal.  The IMI M193 ammo is not tack driving ammo - perhaps 2-3 MOA or so.  The combination is fine for slapping the gong at 300, and hopefully so out to 400.  I will also try 500 yards, but that may require going to 77gr SMK loaded ammo. 

So much more testing and shooting is still needed, but so far I’m a happy camper and expect to be toting around the combination on the farm quite a bit in the coming months.

-AS



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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/28/2019 at 06:38
Good info, AS! I hope you continue enjoying your new 2.5-10x32 UL for many years to come!

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: September/28/2019 at 12:19
I have been spending some quality time with the two UL 2.5-10x32 scopes I have and messing with the turrets a little more.  They really track and the scope is less that 10 ounces!!!!

I would really like to see a version with the Mil-Quad, exposed elevation turret, 0.1mrad clicks and illuminated center dot.  The market will be flooded with used 2.5-10x32 NXS scopes.

ILya


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Posted By: Fotis
Date Posted: October/03/2019 at 11:53
What is eye relief?


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: October/03/2019 at 18:06
Originally posted by Fotis Fotis wrote:

What is eye relief?

https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-2-5-10x32-ultralight-rifle-scope-1.html - https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-2-5-10x32-ultralight-rifle-scope-1.html




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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: October/13/2019 at 17:53


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: October/13/2019 at 18:07
Originally posted by Atlas Shrug Atlas Shrug wrote:


If you are trying to pay a picture, I do not think it is working.

ILya


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Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: October/13/2019 at 20:12
I was trying to post a picture via an iPad. Clearly it did not work. I’ll try to do it from a computer at a later time. 

-AS

OK, progress - now there is a photo there.



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Posted By: GiantGreg
Date Posted: October/16/2019 at 11:27
Is it the same glass as the ss classic line?


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: October/16/2019 at 13:14
  Ilya,

Mil-Quad version, coming soon.


Atlas,

What rings did you use?


  Greg,

We did not use the same glass that we use in the Classic SS line (different formula & different coatings).


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: October/16/2019 at 13:52
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

  Ilya,

Mil-Quad version, coming soon.


Atlas,

What rings did you use?


  Greg,

We did not use the same glass that we use in the Classic SS line (different formula & different coatings).

Excellent.  Do you know if Kenton has plans to offer custom elevation turrets for the ultralight?  I think you will make a killing with this thing.

ILya


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Posted By: GiantGreg
Date Posted: October/16/2019 at 14:02
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

  Ilya,

Mil-Quad version, coming soon.


Atlas,

What rings did you use?


  Greg,

We did not use the same glass that we use in the Classic SS line (different formula & different coatings).

Excellent.  Do you know if Kenton has plans to offer custom elevation turrets for the ultralight?  I think you will make a killing with this thing.

ILya

So is it an improvement?
Similar, or higher gradethan classic, i suspect not the hd though. 


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: October/16/2019 at 17:41
Originally posted by GiantGreg GiantGreg wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

  Ilya,

Mil-Quad version, coming soon.


Atlas,

What rings did you use?


  Greg,

We did not use the same glass that we use in the Classic SS line (different formula & different coatings).

Excellent.  Do you know if Kenton has plans to offer custom elevation turrets for the ultralight?  I think you will make a killing with this thing.

ILya

So is it an improvement?
Similar, or higher gradethan classic, i suspect not the hd though. 

It is in the same general category as the 3-15x42 SS, although the design is obviously very different.  Given that it is a 4x erector system and slim eyepiece, this scope does not have any design commonalities with other SS scopes.

ILya


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Posted By: GiantGreg
Date Posted: October/16/2019 at 18:46
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by GiantGreg GiantGreg wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

  Ilya,

Mil-Quad version, coming soon.


Atlas,

What rings did you use?


  Greg,

We did not use the same glass that we use in the Classic SS line (different formula & different coatings).

Excellent.  Do you know if Kenton has plans to offer custom elevation turrets for the ultralight?  I think you will make a killing with this thing.

ILya

So is it an improvement?
Similar, or higher gradethan classic, i suspect not the hd though. 

It is in the same general category as the 3-15x42 SS, although the design is obviously very different.  Given that it is a 4x erector system and slim eyepiece, this scope does not have any design commonalities with other SS scopes.

ILya
I am unafamilar with the 3-15ss.  How does it ultra light compare glasswis with similar priced optics.  closest  i have in that pr ice range is the vx freedom,  ss classic 10x,  ss classic 1-4, meopta meopro


Posted By: Atlas Shrug
Date Posted: October/17/2019 at 17:36
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

  Ilya,

Mil-Quad version, coming soon.


Atlas,

What rings did you use?


  Greg,

We did not use the same glass that we use in the Classic SS line (different formula & different coatings).
That is indeed good news on the coming Mil-Quad version. I’ll likely be picking up one of those in time. 

As to the rings I used, they are the Burris XTR Signature variety, in High. I mentioned this earlier in this thread and explained why. I like them. 

However, I do plan to try the TPS TSR in Extra High next, though. They should offer just a bit more height, and just a bit more inter-ring distance - both which will make my carry method a tad more comfortable and natural. 

Chris, you’ve definitely got a winner in this line. Exploit it. 



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Posted By: Trey-W
Date Posted: November/18/2019 at 05:06
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

  Ilya,

Mil-Quad version, coming soon.


Atlas,

What rings did you use?


  Greg,

We did not use the same glass that we use in the Classic SS line (different formula & different coatings).

Any chance of a x42 version of the mil-quad in this series? It would still be lighter than anything on the market 



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