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Topic: 10MM 1911's
Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Subject: 10MM 1911's
Date Posted: May/02/2019 at 12:44
I've always wanted a Colt Delta Elite,  no really reason why, just always have. 
 
Anyone got one? Or similar model 1911 in 10MM?   How you like it?   Just curious as to its effectiveness in hunting situations as well as in that platform.
 
Not really looking for other platforms in 10mm at this time.


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Posted By: SEMO Shooter
Date Posted: May/07/2019 at 11:46
I had wanted a 10mm for a long time.  (Wanted not needed).  I ran across a Kimber Camp Guard 10 at a gunshow in December.  It looked like it had never been shot and was priced right so I bought it.

It shoots really well with much less recoil than I expected.  It has a 18.5# recoil spring which really softens recoil.  So far it has had no malfunctions.  It groups very well, but I hit low left with it.  Probably the trigger puller causing that.

I originally wanted the Delta Elite, but in my opinion, the Kimber is a better, more refined pistol.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: May/07/2019 at 13:18
Thanks for chiming in..... not much more than crickets so far on the topic.....  There are several Kimber models in 10mm and of course the Delta Elite.   Springfield also has an offering.  

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: May/07/2019 at 13:26
I always found it odd that S&W dropped their 10mm line of autos in 1994; right when the 10 round plus magazine ban started. I thought, if you can't have more rounds then wouldn't you want more power in the rounds you have. Now 10mm Smiths bring premium prices.


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/07/2019 at 14:10
Dan Wesson also has 10mms i believe


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/07/2019 at 15:14
Take a hard look at what the velocity and energy of 10mm is in the factory offerings as compared to 40 S&W I really don't think there it that much difference in most of it. You might have to hand load to get a true performance difference.  I've been running some 155 gr Silvertip ammo in the 40 with good success where the issued 180 gr Winchester Ranger ammo sucked on deer size game the 155 would put them down.   We talk caliber more often than we talk ammo selection within a specific caliber but there are some high quality loads and some loads that suck in every caliber.  With handgun ammo the velocity is truly critical if it is to expand. If you are not trying to make something expand large slow very heavy (200 to 300+) slugs like .45 and .44 have a long history of being effective, with the down side being trajectory limits their range.

I think you would like a 10 mm I have never had one but a friend has one he hunts with. I have looked with curiosity at the delta  several times and I thought there was a issue with the frame developing cracks but no personal knowledge.


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: May/07/2019 at 16:49
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Dan Wesson also has 10mms i believe

Nighthawk makes one.


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: May/07/2019 at 22:22
I was looking at a 10mm 1911, but kept hearing about how hard it is on the frame. Possibly developing cracks. So I ended up getting a Glock 20SF instead. But the more I read on the subject problems seem to be with high round count (What ever that is.), not maintaining it (Changing out recoil springs.) and using full power loads such as Underwood and Buffalo Bore. So I still may have a 10mm 1911 in my future.

Also it seems a lot of the 10mm ammo is only sightly more powerful than 40S&W. You have to check the specs.

Brand: https://www.underwoodammo.com/collections/vendors?q=Underwood%20Ammo - Underwood Ammo

Technical Information
  • Caliber: 10mm Auto
  • Bullet Weight: 220 Grains
  • Bullet Style: Hi -Tek Coated Hard Cast Flat Nose 21 BHN
  • Case Type: Ducta-Bright 7a Nickel Plated Brass
Ballistics Information
  • Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
  • Muzzle Energy: 703 ft lbs
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  • WEIGHT: 200 grain
BALLISTICS
VELOCITY (feet per second)
  • Muzzle: 1050
ENERGY (foot-pounds)
  • Muzzle: 490


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/07/2019 at 22:36
If u want power, 460 rowland baby.

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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: May/08/2019 at 07:46
I have been carrying a 10mm for twenty years. The big companies have definitely watered it down. But, the 40 S&W compared to a full house 10mm is not close. There are plenty of 600 ft/lb loads available and are no problem in a Glock, not sure on a 1911.

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: May/08/2019 at 09:57
Ky. State Police used to use S&W 1076 in 10mm with full house loads (not those sissy loads the FBI used). They loved them. The KSP armorer was a friend of mine. He said they made a 10mm hole going in and a half dollar hole going out, and they never needed more than one.
Now I can't verify that, but I do remember several KSP involved shootings where the suspect was only shot once and didn't survive.


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: May/08/2019 at 12:54
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

There are plenty of 600 ft/lb loads available and are no problem in a Glock,

Doug, what are you using and for what purpose target, SD or hunting?


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: May/08/2019 at 13:06
I use it for general woods carry in black bear country. The Glock is easy to carry under a fishing vest or sweater. I would not carry any of the 180 grain heavy rounds for self defense.



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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: May/08/2019 at 14:12
What ammo are you using Doug?


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/08/2019 at 14:58
Kimber has one that has a pretty low price.  I have seen them sell for in the $600 range on gunbroker.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/812497192 - https://www.gunbroker.com/item/812497192


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: May/09/2019 at 08:50
I presently have a couple hundred rounds of Cor-Bon 180 grain boned core hunting ammo. I also have 180 and 200 grain Hornady XTP, but that stuff is loaded to the Short and Wimpy FBI lite spec.

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: May/09/2019 at 09:19
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I presently have a couple hundred rounds of Cor-Bon 180 grain boned core hunting ammo. I also have 180 and 200 grain Hornady XTP, but that stuff is loaded to the Short and Wimpy FBI lite spec.






Big difference between the FBI load and the real 10mm load. The FBI load was the inspiration for the 40 Short & Week, and I can't say I'm impressed with the 40S&W.


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: May/09/2019 at 10:28
Thanks Doug!


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: May/09/2019 at 10:32
Back to the Colt DE, I think they are a great 1911. I like Colts!

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Posted By: Lockjaw
Date Posted: May/21/2019 at 11:19
I can't speak to Colt's now, however, when Kimber's first came out, I bought a Custom Classic. I had just started a new job in Accounting and was talking to my CFO one day, who turned out to be a gun nut. I mentioned I had a Kimber, and he said "what's that, never heard of Kimber"? 

That ended up in me bring the Kimber to his office the next day, and he showed me his nice pretty shiny colt 45. He was sure proud of it. I handed him my Kimber, he asked what I paid. I told him, and he said, " I got ripped off". I was looking at his Colt thinking what a piece of junk. It wasn't nice tight and slick like my Kimber was. 

My Kimber is the most accurate pistol I have ever owned, perhaps the only thing close was a SW 686 with a 6 in barrel, which I wish I had never sold. 

But I do want a Glock 20SF, but want to shoot one first. I had a G23 and loved the size, but it beat my trigger finger to death, thus making it a gun I didn't like to shoot. I traded it for an SW99 in 40, and loved it as well, except shooting it. Beat up my trigger finger too. 




Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: May/21/2019 at 18:49
I like the 10mm, so I built myself one on a Glock 20SF frame.  Mine is a longslide version with a 6" long barrel.

I originally built it for hunting, but it ended up one of my favourite plinkers.



With a full house load from Underwood, it has more energy at 100 yards than 40S&W has at the muzzle.

ILya


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: May/21/2019 at 20:42
I have a couple of 40S&W's... never liked that round... lot's of noise and recoil for not a lot of performance.  I'm just shooting up all my .40S&W ammo and then getting rid of them.  .357SIG is my favorite pistol round for a carry gun (.50AE is my FAVE).  For a wheel gun... .44Mag.  I like the 10mm, have shot a few, but don't have one.  Just have never found the need.  

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: May/21/2019 at 20:48
 I want a 38super so bad in 1911 style pistol. It just sounds super wicked

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/21/2019 at 21:17
Dan you should just get new barrels for your .40 and covert to .357 sig

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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 08:43
LOL, trouble makers at it again....

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Posted By: Lockjaw
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 08:59
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I like the 10mm, so I built myself one on a Glock 20SF frame.  Mine is a longslide version with a 6" long barrel.

I originally built it for hunting, but it ended up one of my favourite plinkers.



With a full house load from Underwood, it has more energy at 100 yards than 40S&W has at the muzzle.

ILya

Do you have any comparison on how the 10mm recoils versus a 40? My G23 beat my trigger finger up. 


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 09:13
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Dan you should just get new barrels for your .40 and covert to .357 sig

Good advice there Dan. All you need is a barrel, everything else in a Glock is the same.


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 09:24
I have only shot a G22. With the FBI loads, the G20 is easy on recoil. With full house 10mm the Glock has substantially higher recoil and muzzle flip.

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 09:34
Many years ago, my pistol club valued the power factor. We didn't have PACT timers, so we used stop watches to time our matches. Our match director shot with Jeff Cooper when they all first got started, and was lightening fast. If your last shot was on paper, then your time stopped on that shot, which can be hard to catch with a stop watch, so most stages were set up with the last shot being on steel. The time didn't stop on steel until the plate hit the ground. Real 10mm, .45s, and .357s ruled steel.
I'd like to see those days come back.


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 10:41
Originally posted by Lockjaw Lockjaw wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I like the 10mm, so I built myself one on a Glock 20SF frame.  Mine is a longslide version with a 6" long barrel.

I originally built it for hunting, but it ended up one of my favourite plinkers.



With a full house load from Underwood, it has more energy at 100 yards than 40S&W has at the muzzle.

ILya

Do you have any comparison on how the 10mm recoils versus a 40? My G23 beat my trigger finger up. 

No issues with that whatsoever.  There is weight forward with this gun though.

ILya


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