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PTR-91 / HK 93 Scope options

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Printed Date: December/16/2017 at 05:06


Topic: PTR-91 / HK 93 Scope options
Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Subject: PTR-91 / HK 93 Scope options
Date Posted: October/06/2017 at 09:51

Recently won/stole a nice PTR from SWFA on Gunbroker through one of their no reserve auctions -

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Sort=13&IncludeSellers=233297&PageSize=25 - http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Sort=13&IncludeSellers=233297&PageSize=25


Anyway, got it for a good deal and thought it would make a good 30cal battle rifle being I'm still without one.  I have been trying to figure out what optic setup to use.  I have a spare borbo mount for an AR with a SS 1-4 in it... would that work or would the checkweld be to high?  (This PTR has the welded scope mount on it)  Apparently accuracy is suppose to be pretty good on these so I'm hoping MOA or better.  I'm still a die hard bolt gun guy but the thought of a semi auto semi accurate 308 is appealing....  Anyone own one? Thoughts on ideal optics for them?  A Nikon P-308 or M-308 has also been catching my eye.



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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln



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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: October/06/2017 at 17:03
Image result for aimpoint micro

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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: October/06/2017 at 19:12
What iron site did it come with Graham?
I could not find a solution for a 91. But that integral PTR may work well without cheek piece.





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Doug


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: October/06/2017 at 20:50
That is a sexy rifle. I don’t have one.



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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: October/07/2017 at 10:11
If you don’t mind my asking, what did you pay for the rifle? I had to stop watching the auctions, bought 3 or 4 guns that I didn’t need, never shoot.

But I do want a PSG someday, if I can find one.

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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/09/2017 at 08:34

I have a problem with tossing bids up and assuming others will pay more..... most of the ones I won, I think I stole in comparison to what they are worth, IMO.   RC - here is a link to the rifle - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/701676031 - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/701676031


Again with what it came with and the overall condition I think I did very very well.



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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/09/2017 at 08:36
I'm thinking the AR mount will put the scope to high.  some extra low rings and maybe a low power variable may be the ticket.

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: October/09/2017 at 08:37
Very cool, let us know how it shoots.

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The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/09/2017 at 09:11
For sure will do.  Got to get some ammo for it as well.  Don't want to shoot my ammo I've loaded for my FN through it, not sure how it will be on brass and lapua brass is to expensive to get chewed up.

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: October/09/2017 at 22:39
I think I am going to have to pay more attention to the auctions.




Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 07:09
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I think I am going to have to pay more attention to the auctions.




Be ready to spend money!

I bought a 375 H&H a few years ago that has never been out of the gun safe. It was bought as an Africa gun, and I haven’t made it back to Africa. Yet!

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 07:29
Anyone not paying attention to the auctions is letting some real steals get away.  They have very nice and unique items they auction off, at NO RESERVE, and a penny starting bid!

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 07:30


I played with a 10X on the one I owned a while back.. A while back...


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 07:53
How'd ya like it BigdaddyB?

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 08:10
It wasn't to bad. It was not very accurate from what I remember, but would have working in a pinch


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 10:03
good to know.... if I can't keep FMJ in at least a "minute of man" at around 500yds or so I'll move it on along.

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 10:09
you should be good. I was doing the 150gr core locks in a 10 inch plate @500. That thing trashed the brass too.



Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 10:19
Don't they have a fluted chamber that messes up the brass?




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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 10:41
yes sir, the one I had did.It was nasty.. there was no way to salvage the brass. I tried.



Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 11:06
I've read that.... best I can determine is to find a decent bulk ammo and shot it and toss the brass afterwards.

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: MikieG
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 11:08
I chose the FAL. I am planning to pick up an SAR 3 or3/8 or steel receiver 8 soon. Dont know why.


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 11:32
That rail does get you down nice and low. The HK STANAG claw blows.
That is a nice set up Bigdaddy has.


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: October/10/2017 at 19:30
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I think I am going to have to pay more attention to the auctions.




Be ready to spend money!

I bought a 375 H&H a few years ago that has never been out of the gun safe. It was bought as an Africa gun, and I haven’t made it back to Africa. Yet!
I'd like one in my safe as well.


Posted By: TreborYagenrok
Date Posted: October/11/2017 at 03:46
I used to own one.  Something to keep in mind with the PTR 91 rifles and FAL as well is the forward recoil from the bolt slamming home is very hard on scopes. There aren't many out there that can handle it, and I doubt the Nikon scopes would. I fired probably 500 rounds through mine and managed to break three different scopes(nikon buckmaster was one).  Only one that held up was a cheap fixed 4X for air rifles.  If I had the rifle now would mount a 6X42 ss, I think that would be a good fit but opinions vary I guess.

For the ring height I had to use mediums, all the scopes used were around 40 mm objectives. It puts the scope up pretty high.

Accuracy I got from mine was around 1.5-2 moa with ball ammo.  I fired a box of federal gmm and wasn't much better so stuck with the ball ammo.  

I kinda miss it, it was a fun rifle to plink with.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/11/2017 at 07:34
Actually was considering the 6x SS and some super low rings..... want to fire it with irons a bit first... then try my SS 3-9 on it before ordering a 6x for it though.

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: October/11/2017 at 09:38
A SS 1-6x would be sweet setup to IMO


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/11/2017 at 09:58

only issue I foresee on that ST is the charging handle lifts up and back.  I put my SS1-4 on there with the borbo mount and when charging it  came close to interfering/hitting with the dial on the left side the scope if you try to manipulate to quick you'll hit with your hand. want to try to keep the left side clear of any objects to protect them and my hand when charging.



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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: October/11/2017 at 10:11
ahh, makes good sense. 


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."


Posted By: HKtoTikka
Date Posted: October/12/2017 at 05:27
I actually have 2 HK-91/G3 style rifles.    One is a Springfield SAR-8 Sporter (Receiver from
 Greekfactory, Springfield parts, thumbhole stock period import) and a CETME 
(Century arms build on original Spanish parts).  
The CETME is the ancestor of the G3, built for Spain in the late 50s.




Both of mine have the standard Stanag mounting points on the receiver, which use a claw mount and
 raise the scope for pass through for the irons.  There are no bolt catch clearance issues either.  
I didn't shoot mine enough to notice scope issues/break the 10x Habicht Nova (samplelist) I put on it.


http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/89990-100-yard-peep-sight-hk91-style-rifle.html - http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-long-gun-talk/89990-100-yard-peep-sight-hk91-style-rifle.html
http://savannaharsenal.com/2017/04/30/how-to-zero-hk-g3-mp5-ptr91/ - https://savannaharsenal.com/2017/04/30/how-to-zero-hk-g3-mp5-ptr91/

The sites are a fixed front post and a rotating rear diopter with 4 positions:

1 is a v-notch for CQB, 
2-4 are apertures for 200, 300, 400.  Impact is identical for 30M and 200M with 145-150 NATO ball.



I never reloaded or saved brass from those rifles.  I don't think the breech is half as abusive as the
deflector which can noticeably stave in the casing while sending them 5-10 yards forward at a 30
degree angle.  I do not recommend sitting on the right side benches at the range with plywood
separators.

Accuracy will be dependent on how you like the trigger.  This is a 50-60s era battle rifle designed by
Germans so it isnt exactly glass rod territory.  I ended up sending my SAR-8 trigger group to Williams
for modification.  Once to lighten it up, then a second time (like he told me everyone does) to get a
set trigger installed.

10 years ago we were awash in cheap steel and aluminum 20 round magazines for them.  
I don't know what prices are now.  You don't need many.  I actually prize the 5 round mag I found
somewhere, the aluminum next and the steelies can always be used as impromptu clubs.

So someone wants a PSG-1?  Well don't expect anything south of 10K unless its beat to crap.  
Oh, and also look out for any "PSG-1" on the market with fixed sites.  That is a SR-9/9T/9TC.  
It was also pretty easy to buy PSG-1 parts (stock, grip, trigger) and trick up your 91 a few years ago.




Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/12/2017 at 06:16
Thanks for the info

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: MikieG
Date Posted: October/18/2017 at 22:22
I just want the SAR 3, 3/8, 8 because i already have the SAR4800. Kinda be nice to have em both.
The 4800 is getting a SS 3-15x FFP mil/mil.



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