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Topic: Athlon Ares vs Vortex PST Gen 2
Posted By: tucansam
Subject: Athlon Ares vs Vortex PST Gen 2
Date Posted: May/30/2017 at 19:58
I realize that getting hands on either of these scopes right now, particularly the Athlon, is a chore.

Having said that, I know there are some Ares (first run) in the hands of testers.

Has anyone compared the glass in the Ares to the PST Gen 2?

Thanks.



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Posted By: Mikhail
Date Posted: May/30/2017 at 21:37
Ive been looking hard at buying the Athlon BTR12 red dot and your post caught my eye. Ive never used Athlon but like what ive read about them. Now i did see this add for the Athlon Ares 4,5x27x50 for $849.99 and figured id share it with you. looks like they have them in stock. Hope this is the one your intrested in.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: May/31/2017 at 01:25
Either way, they do not have them in stock. I talk to Athlon guys with reasonable regularity and the production Ares is not yet here (soon though).

ILya

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Posted By: tucansam
Date Posted: June/21/2017 at 03:54
Post for any updates folks may have.  Still on track for July shipping?


Posted By: tucansam
Date Posted: July/25/2017 at 13:47
Another post to see if anyone has heard anything recently..... "August" is what was posted in another forum for the mil/mil


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/25/2017 at 13:56
I should have an Ares in my hands in a few days.  I'll let you know what I think.

ILya


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/31/2017 at 12:26
Alright, I just got the Athlon Ares in hand.  Initial impressions are very positive, but it is not on the gun yet.

ILya


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/31/2017 at 15:53
Why not -   Roll on Floor Laughing

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/31/2017 at 16:21
Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:


Why not -   Roll on Floor Laughing


Every once in a while, I have to go to work and it wouldn't look quite right if I showed up with a scoped precision rifle.

And for the next wise ass: it would not be right with an unscoped one either.

ILya

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: July/31/2017 at 16:24
😂🥃💥

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: August/01/2017 at 18:16
Get Your Popcorn Ready


Posted By: Marine24
Date Posted: August/02/2017 at 09:13
I have a Ares BTR 3-15x50 mounted on a Lithgow LA101 bolt action rifle.  I'm impressed with scope and it is a step up from the Midas BTR that I have.

I don't own the PST Gen 2, but it is definitely a step up from the original PST line as far as optical quality and performance.

Turrets are still the weak point.  They work fine and track well, but aren't as crisp as I would like.  Little too easy to dial.




Posted By: verminator
Date Posted: August/03/2017 at 06:09
just thought i'd ask how does the BTR compare with the weaver tac 3-15 glass wise thanks


Posted By: tucansam
Date Posted: August/14/2017 at 07:02
A few jungle store vendors have them (Ares) in stock.  Anyone got one yet?


Posted By: ra2bach
Date Posted: September/14/2017 at 21:34
where did everyone go?..


Posted By: ra2bach
Date Posted: September/18/2017 at 16:52
Whistling


Posted By: IHFarmer07
Date Posted: November/24/2017 at 10:04
Originally posted by Marine24 Marine24 wrote:

I have a Ares BTR 3-15x50 mounted on a Lithgow LA101 bolt action rifle.  I'm impressed with scope and it is a step up from the Midas BTR that I have.

I don't own the PST Gen 2, but it is definitely a step up from the original PST line as far as optical quality and performance.

Turrets are still the weak point.  They work fine and track well, but aren't as crisp as I would like.  Little too easy to dial.


I am looking into getting a scope for a rifle and was reading on this and that scope and watching YouTube videos for reviews also and came across this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC1CPPcGxm4 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC1CPPcGxm4   This is not the only video on this for these scopes and other brands as well. Let us know if it works for you.



Posted By: alaska_guy
Date Posted: March/18/2018 at 17:47

I thought there was a thread here a while back pretty much crapping all over these Chinese brand scopes.  I have a local dealer here and I was VERY impressed with the optical quality of the Midas line for the price point.  Zooming in/out I do not get tunnel vision and overall they seem to be nicely made from the limited time I was able to handle/look at them.  He is doing a gun show today but didn't have any Ares line scopes yet.

I was actually doing a side by side with the talon line compared to the Argos line and the Talos line with the parallax adjustment seemed to be a better scope vs the standard Argos line without a parallax.  He let me take them both outside and see which one I liked better and was impressed with the Talos for the $180 price point with lighted reticle, glass and parallax option in 4-12 I believe.  It was easily better optically than some vortex scopes I paid twice that amount for.  Their Midas line is in a whole different league compared to their cheaper line ups when looking through their glass.  The midas line doesn't force you to move your cheek weld due to eye relief when zooming in and out.  It looked VERY impressive to me for the price point.

I just assumed they were a cheap Chinese scope with crappy internals and great glass so I passed.  The owner claims he shoots the argos line and has had zero issues... But I don't know how much of that is true.  He also claimed the scopes used german glass and were only assembled in China.

It's hard to find any real information on this company online yet.  



Posted By: alaska_guy
Date Posted: March/18/2018 at 17:49
Oh, and their box looked "identical" to the Styrka brand I asked about here about a month ago.  Their logo is different, but the packaging inside and the box is EXACTLY the same.


Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: March/18/2018 at 19:34
Surprise!

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Posted By: JGRaider
Date Posted: March/18/2018 at 22:01
Forget the Chinese garbage, go with a LRHS and be done with it. 


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: March/20/2018 at 13:35
I don't know if that is a blanket statement on Chinese optics or regarding the scopes in question.
But, my experience with Zen Ray binoculars has been very good and are they always in the duck hunting kit. Not sure this translates to the quality of the turrets on the scopes but the ZR's are smooth and tight mechanically. The glass is very nice for the price range as knowing my ducks is not always enough. Contrast is important in glass and knowing what is way out there before they fly in helps. The ZR's do a yoemen's job.


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Posted By: JGRaider
Date Posted: March/21/2018 at 09:11
Zen Ray is also out of business.  


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: March/21/2018 at 11:44
That may be true. But to call Chinese equipment garbage is a broad statement.


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: March/21/2018 at 13:59
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

That may be true. But to call Chinese equipment garbage is a broad statement.

We may like it or not like it, but Chinese makers are moving upmarket, just like Phillipine makers were/are doing before them and just like the Japanese were doing prior to that.

Vortex really pushed the boundaries of Phillipine makers with the PST and ultimately it paid off for them.

Athlon is really pushing their Chinese OEM with Ares and it is performing better than I expected so far.  It is a legitimate option in its price range.  Long term durability and support can only be worked out over long term, but so far so good.

If noone ever takes a chance on new brands, established brands get complacent.

ILya


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: March/21/2018 at 14:45
I have been in several different tooling, equipment and automotive plants in China. You are right, Ilya. No one can drop their guard as the Chinese are coming on strong.


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Posted By: alaska_guy
Date Posted: March/21/2018 at 15:01

I have looked through their Midas line of scopes from Athlon and I have to say their glass clarity was dare I say "insane" for the price point.  I am concerned they will not be around long and their warranty will all be for not.  If you have an issue with the scope and the company is no longer around then all you have is an expensive paperweight.  Considering I buy scopes with the plan to keep on rifles pretty much for a lifetime, my experience is that has been in reality about 10 years on average.  I personally do not want to take a risk on a new and upcoming company until they have an established track record.  If they are around in another 2 years I may think about purchasing from them.

Once they prove themselves as a long term company then I think they will be a real competitor.

When you can get an Athlon Midas line scope on sale for $389 and a Viper on sale for about the same price point it's hard to choose Athlon.  I personally believe the Midas line of glass is much better visually, but Vortex has a GREAT track record.



Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: March/21/2018 at 15:29
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I have been in several different tooling, equipment and automotive plants in China. You are right, Ilya. No one can drop their guard as the Chinese are coming on strong.

They are not necessarily the cheapest place to manufacture in many cases any more, so they are pushed upmarket all the time.

We'll see how it goes for them going forward, but they are definitely getting better.

ILya


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