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Topic: Why are expensive scopes better then cheap scopes?
Posted By: Sublight
Subject: Why are expensive scopes better then cheap scopes?
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 12:37

HELLO!  this is my first post, I just discovered this site so Hello everyone!!!
I know this may sound like sacrilege but.
Why buy expensive scopes?  By expensive I mean 400 dollars plus.
For instance, I have a BSA Sweet 17 (I know most people call this garbage).  But, When I put my crosshairs on the target, then the bullet hits where I want. 
How would a more expensive scope change that.




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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/07/2016 at 13:05
If the Sweet 17 performs to your requirements, then perhaps a more expensive scope will not do much for you.

Overall, aside from some exceptions (some scopes are better for the money than others, so there are some non-linearities there) more expensive scopes will be better optically, better mechanically, hold zero better, be less likely to break, etc.

How useful that is and at which price diminishing returns set in, is really individual.

ILya


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Posted By: 338LAPUASLAP
Date Posted: February/16/2016 at 21:23
A sweet spot for me was Sightron cheap to be had and they have excellent mechanics that are well within ones shooting ability.

Did I mention they are probably about 1/2 as much as they should be.

Big Sky II or SIII or the S-TAC, I do not think the others have the same glass/coatings in them but I believe these 3 have the same glass/coatings.

Give them a try.

I replaced lots of ubber glass and haven't missed much.  And I got to keep my Wife!!!


Posted By: urbaneruralite
Date Posted: February/17/2016 at 13:17
Usually one has to have a negative experience with a cheap scope before they open their eyes to what more expensive ones can do for them.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: February/17/2016 at 16:08
I think a lot of it will depend upon your usage.  If you are just doing basic big game hunting or close range target shooting never beyond point blank range then 99% of the time a $400 and under scope would fulfill your need.  A basic 3-9x40 woudl fill that role perfectly.  And many use just that scope.  I have several of them. 

But if you need something for extreme low light, or precision target shooting then you start needing upgrades in glass, mechanics, consistent adjustable turrets etc.  It is going to cost more money to get that.
Your needs may require a 5 or 6x magnification system, so you can have both a very low bottom end and a good high end magnification.  You may need a very good illumination system light Trijicon has.  You may want turrets with a zero stop, or turrets that have 10+ mils of adjustment per turn.  All of these things are bells and whistles that cost more money.  



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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: February/18/2016 at 11:29
There's definitely a point of diminishing returns. I never had a $2000+ scope that was four times better than a $500 scope. And it's in that $500-700 range that you'll find the most value in terms of good glass, reliability and repeatability.

Go with as much as you need, depending on what the scope's used for. Personally, I found the most value and enjoyment comes from the SS 3-15, followed by the SS 3-9. I hunt hard with the 3-15 and that has meant a few scratches on the bell housing and a little wear here and there. But I would be preoccupied all the time if I hunted with a $2000 scope. What if it got dropped hard or the glass got scratched?

Things like illumination: I hunted/target shot with a NF 2.5-10 for four years. It was a really good scope. But I never once used the illumination hunting. I also found that less expensive scopes had as good or better glass and came in FFP. It was a no-brainer to switch.


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Posted By: outdoordreamdeals
Date Posted: March/01/2016 at 19:49
It seems to me that if what you have works you should stay with it. My advise is to do your research and also test out the scopes before you buy one.


Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: March/01/2016 at 20:00
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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: March/01/2016 at 20:02
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Posted By: davisj3537
Date Posted: March/05/2016 at 10:30
I'm still new at this as well, but I think several guys made great points. It depends on what you need it for.

If you're going to be shooting at long distances then you'll be constantly making adjustments for bullet drop on the scope. When you turn a cheap scope back to your previous zero, it might not be zeroed anymore. Repeatability.

If you do shooting close to the end of the day or early in the morning then you'll need a scope that sees better in the dark. Illuminated reticles come in handy here as well. When everything is dark, it can be hard to see where the crosshairs are.

Longer distances also require better quality glass so you can see your target much better.

If you just do shooting less than 300yds and never touch your scope once it is zeroed then you might be alright with a cheap scope. It's about what you use it for.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: March/05/2016 at 17:03
Why drive a more expensive car if a Chevy Spark will get you to and from work?

Why buy an expensive rifle if an H&R Handi-Rifle will kill a deer?

Why buy an expensive bass boat if an aluminum Jon Boat with a 25 horse Evinrude will float and get you to your fishing hole?

Why buy an expensive anything if the cheap counterpart will do the function it was built for?

In each case, nicer goods usually either provide better build quality, more convenience features, better design, last longer, or in some way get the job done in a superior way. I say usually because there are always exceptions. Sometimes an item is just more costly to produce.

More expensive scopes will absolutely provide superior optical performance, and usually better mechanical repeatability. Your Sweet 17 may very well be a good choice for the rifle you have it mounted on and may serve you well. If you mount that same scope to a heavier recoiling rifle, it might fail to maintain zero, however. It's difficult to make something as mechanically complex as a rifle scope and sell it at a cheap price without sacrificing something to keep cost low.

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Posted By: everydaywine
Date Posted: May/11/2016 at 13:40
there a lot of scope even ones that sell for $4000. but having an expensive scope doesn't mean the user will achieve high precision. it depends on the user and what the user what the scope to do.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/12/2016 at 13:22
Originally posted by everydaywine everydaywine wrote:

there a lot of scope even ones that sell for $4000. but having an expensive scope doesn't mean the user will achieve high precision. it depends on the user and what the user what the scope to do.

Some.

I am a fairly good shot and missed a wall-hanging deer because (as i found later) the point of impact changed - dramatically - as power changed.  I zeroed at 9X and shot at 3X and missed by more than a foot or so.  That is far more prevalent among cheap scopes.

Many buy scopes that aren't needed for the use, but those who do push their gear hard appreciate the difference between "good" and "okay."

Someone once told me Wal Mart sells bikes intended to be ridden 100 or fewer miles; racers can put thousands of miles on a bike in a year.  I kinda see Wal Mart optics in a similar light.  If you shoot 5 rounds a year, I doubt the $3k scope will seem worthwhile.


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/03/2016 at 15:06
"why buy an expensive scope?"

Sometimes the choice is features that one considers desirable.  Sometimes the choice is made based on what someones buddies recommend. Like anything else part of the decision depends on how you view the value of the money you spend - I've seen guys who wouldn't buy anything but the most expensive just because they can afford it.  Does that make it work better than an under $400. scope - not always.  There are some scopes under $400 that I think of as great scopes particularly the Super Sniper Line of fixed power scopes from SWFA.
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-16x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P53715.aspx">SWFA SS 16x42 Tactical Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/ss16x42mq-rt_popup.jpg"> http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-16x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P53715.aspx - SWFA SS 16x42 Tactical Riflescope
Stock # - SS16X42MQ
  • Matte Finish
  • Patented Mil-Quad Reticle
  • 30mm Tube
  • Rear Focus
  • OK for .50 cal
  • .10 Mrad Turrets
$299.95
for hunting sometimes a feature like a specific reticle makes a tad more worth the expense:
http://swfa.com/Leupold-6x42-FX-3-Riflescope-P12757.aspx">Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/leupold_wideduplex_popup.jpg">Wide Duplex http://swfa.com/Leupold-6x42-FX-3-Riflescope-P12757.aspx - Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66815
  • Matte
  • Wide Duplex
  • 1"
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$399.95
http://swfa.com/Leupold-6x42-FX-3-Riflescope-P12758.aspx">Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/leupold_lrd412_popup.jpg">Long Range Duplex http://swfa.com/Leupold-6x42-FX-3-Riflescope-P12758.aspx - Leupold 6x42 FX-3 Riflescope
Stock # - LEU66820
  • Matte
  • Long Range Duplex
  • 1"
  • Xtended Twilight Lens System
$449.95
but dont kid yourself into thinking that more money doesnt get you something you already had with the under $400 scopes the question becomes do you need what it buys:
http://swfa.com/US-Optics-32-17x44-LR-17-30mm-Riflescope-P74706.aspx">U.S. Optics 3.2-17x44 LR-17 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/usolr17h102-rt_popup.jpg"> http://swfa.com/US-Optics-32-17x44-LR-17-30mm-Riflescope-P74706.aspx - U.S. Optics 3.2-17x44 LR-17 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - USOLR17H102
  • Matte Black Type III Hard Anodizing
  • Illuminated Horus H-102 (Red)
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • EREK 1/10 MIL 110 Click Elevation Knob
  • US#1 1/10 MIL (Right) Windage Knob
  • Lo Profile - Rapid Focus Eyepiece Housing
  • USO Flip Open Covers
$2,798.70



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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/03/2016 at 15:14
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