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Topic: Hensoldt 6-24X56 vs Hensoldt 6-24X72
Posted By: Scottyman
Subject: Hensoldt 6-24X56 vs Hensoldt 6-24X72
Date Posted: September/12/2015 at 13:34
I'd like to have the 72mm variation, but I'm worried about the height of the scope. It's going on a Weatherby Mark V/338 Lapua Improved. Will the Spuhr mount (if I go that route) give enough elevation w/o looking ridiculous?
 If I settle for the 56mm version what am I sacrificing? Image quality? Elevation?
 The 56mm will save me a lot of money.
    
 


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/12/2015 at 15:23
The 72mm version is optimized for low light performance.  If you need/want that, it is worth the difference.  If not, there are some advantages to the 56mm version… you can get FFP, it actually has more adjustment range… other than that, there is very little difference between the two (size and weight).  Either one will be superior to just about anything else on the market.  If you need/want to save the monetary differential… go with the 56mm.  My wife bought me the Hensoldt, otherwise I would probably have chosen 56mm…
If you are considering a Spuhr mount, check out Richard Near's Alphamount or Jon Aadland's Aadland mounts.  

http://swfa.com/Aadland-C3316.aspx - http://swfa.com/Aadland-C3316.aspx

http://www.nearmfg.com - http://www.nearmfg.com


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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/12/2015 at 15:33
I can only find a 2nd FP in the 6-24X56. Also, if the literature is correct, the adjustment range is 16mils vs 20 for the 72mm version. I'm assuming that's total range.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/12/2015 at 15:57
They are out there, difficult to find…
FOR SALE is a Hensoldt 6-24x56 optic with an H37 reticle, FFP. Super rare IEA detachable mount included. 

They make a 6-24x72FFP, too… but only in the SAM model… a little (way) out of my price range.



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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/12/2015 at 16:25
I Bing'd your FOR SALE, but nothing showed.

11K is kinda expensive.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/12/2015 at 17:33
That one already sold… almost as soon as it went up.

The SAM is an awesome optical system, but you are absolutely correct…  11K is "kinda" expensive.  
However, if any is "worth it", the SAM is… 



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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/12/2015 at 20:11
I just found something interesting.  Page 14 of the link.
"FL in 6-24X72 Only"  This pdf says the 6-24X56 does not use the same glass. No FL in the objective.
 The Zeiss versions of the 6-24X56 and 72 both use FL glass, but not the Hendsolt 6-24X56. 
 Can anybody else confirm this?
 It also shows the Zeiss versions as having more elevation and windage than the Hensoldts which really doesn't make sense.

http://mws-reps.com/documents/2012HensoldtProducts.pdf - http://mws-reps.com/documents/2012HensoldtProducts.pdf


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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/13/2015 at 16:01
I just ordered the Hensoldt 6-24X72.  Can't wait to play with it!


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/13/2015 at 20:31
I don't think you will ever regret it...



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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/18/2015 at 16:15
How's the image in sunlight in your scope? (Sun is not in the image)
I have a lot of haze in mine even after sunset to near dark facing West. My Kahles 624i Gen 3 has none and has better detail and contrast in low light. This was shocking. Both at 24X. I expected the Hensoldt to surpass the Kahles.
I just looked inside the objective with a flashlight and noticed some smears and smudges on the inside of the lenses right in the middle. Multiple lenses are smudged. Would this cause the haze?
Also, have you noticed a lot of distortion when cranking the elevation near it's min and max? At least 50% of the image is distorted. So far, very disappointed in this scope.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/18/2015 at 21:17
None of your problems… never heard of such with a Hensoldt.  Never seen anything like it with any Hensoldt I've ever had my hands on.  
Suggest you contact your supplier.  Maybe you can provide pictures of what you are talking about.


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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 05:59
Here's a pic of one of the smudges. I can't get the camera to focus on the other lens that has a smudge too.
I tested the elevation again this morning. When near the lower end of the elevation travel the lower >1/3 of the image is distorted. When nearing the max elevation, the upper >1/3 is distorted.
I checked my Kahles and it has no distortion at either end. I originally was planning on selling my Kahles when I ordered the Hensoldt because of the CA, but so far the CA is nothing compared to the flaws in this scope. I'm a huge fan of Zeiss glass. This is a huge surprise and let down.
Kickboxer, You have no distortion near min/max elevation?
 




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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 12:27
No distortion anywhere…  cleanest operation of any scope I've ever had on a rifle.  Where did you get that?  Whereever it was, I would send it back and demand replacement.

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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 16:32
EuroOptic. They have a decent return policy.


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 16:57
Is that a new scope?

There is lots happening on that lens that does not look new.

My 3-12 exhibits none of the issues you are describing.


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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 17:15
Suppose to be new. Even my Kahles 624i Gen 3 gives a better image, sharper, better contrast, resolution except for CA.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 17:25
Looks like superglue on the lens… regardless, get a replacement.  The Kahles is close, but not equal to the Hensoldt.  

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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 18:04
There's also very noticeable distortion at 6X around the edges. Do you have this too?
Debating on an exchange or simply return and keep my Kahles.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 18:15
I've told you over and over, there are no distortions, aberrations,  no mechanical flaws.  The only complaint I have with it is I would prefer FFP, but I've done the math and can fairly quickly range at all powers.           
There are NO issues with my scope.  I've had hands on with most of the "Alpha" glass… have several other types… Zeiss, March, USOptics, Swarovski, Kahles, no longer have S&B, extensive use with IOR, some Leupold… NOTHING I would trade my Hensoldt for.  I will be getting another Hensoldt in the near future.  


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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 19:54
Just making sure in case you missed something. I don't know how meticulous you are with every aspect of the scope.


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: September/19/2015 at 20:00
ANAL, IN A VERY CURSORY WAY!!!

Trust all of us, he's good.

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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/21/2015 at 17:02
"All scopes have that" In regard to the distortion near min/max elevation travel. Hear we go again. Whacko


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/21/2015 at 18:28
Mine is unique… only one they ever built...

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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/21/2015 at 19:01
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Mine is unique… only one they ever built...


Apparently.

 I think I'm just going to send it back for a refund and keep the Kahles. The Hensoldt had veiling flare way beyond sunset looking in the general direction of west. I'm not sure the lens defects are the cause. Probably needs a 6" sunshade. My Razor Gen 2 had veiling flare as well. It was eliminated by going 10 feet into my house looking through the door at a target. I don't have that convenience of shielding the scope from the brighter sky out in the field. The Kahles has very little, surprisingly. 
 Oh well.
 


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/21/2015 at 19:04
Probably a good choice for you…

My experience is much different.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/21/2015 at 19:27
You might try reading these:

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/07/01/tactical-scopes-optical-performance-field-test-results-part-1/ - http://precisionrifleblog.com/2014/07/01/tactical-scopes-optical-performance-field-test-results-part-1/

http://opticsthoughts.com/?page_id=129 - http://opticsthoughts.com/?page_id=129

There is a LOT in these blogs and the information is invaluable.  It will take some time to digest.


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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: September/22/2015 at 13:50
The picture you've posted is scary! It looks as if my grandson did a dismantling job on it. I've looked through a ton if Henny's stuff never seen one I wasn't impressed with. That said, never say never I guess!

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: September/22/2015 at 14:30
I'm really confused with this post. If I received a scope with the lense in the condition you said and the pic you posted I'd immediately be sending it back for a new Hensoldt. I wouldn't continue to ask about distortion, flare, etc. because you're evaluation and testing would be flawed due to the condition of the optics.




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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: September/22/2015 at 14:37
Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

I'm really confused with this post. If I received a scope with the lense in the condition you said and the pic you posted I'd immediately be sending it back for a new Hensoldt. I wouldn't continue to ask about distortion, flare, etc. because you're evaluation and testing would be flawed due to the condition of the optics.




Tru dat, even if I bought a $100 scope that had spots on the internal lenses, that baby would be headed back for replacement. 


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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/23/2015 at 18:40
I've decided to give the Hensoldt another chance. I asked for an exchange instead of the refund. I hope none of the issues I found are in the new one.
So, end the confusion. ;)


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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/29/2015 at 17:18
Got my replacement. This one says Zeiss on the bottom of the eyepiece. The previous had Cassidian Optronics. Both Hensoldt on top.
 The distortion near min and max elevation is about the same as is the 6X distortion around the edges. It definitely needs a sunshade even with overcast about to downpour skies. A makeshift sunshade out of paper improved the image. Eliminated most of the haze.
 It might be a few days before I see sunshine for the final test.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/29/2015 at 18:37
Originally posted by Scottyman Scottyman wrote:

Got my replacement. This one says Zeiss on the bottom of the eyepiece. The previous had Cassidian Optronics. Both Hensoldt on top.
 The distortion near min and max elevation is about the same as is the 6X distortion around the edges. It definitely needs a sunshade even with overcast about to downpour skies. A makeshift sunshade out of paper improved the image. Eliminated most of the haze.
 It might be a few days before I see sunshine for the final test.

I don't do this often, but…

BS Flag


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Posted By: Scottyman
Date Posted: September/29/2015 at 18:40
Are you serious? I have what to gain for lying? Loco I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: September/29/2015 at 18:41
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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/29/2015 at 18:51
Originally posted by Scottyman Scottyman wrote:

Are you serious? I have what to gain for lying? Loco I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.
Everyone's eyes are different… I guess you could have that bad a reaction to Hensoldt.  However, your descriptions of what you are experiencing are outlandish, totally anathema to reaction of the MANY people I've had look through mine.  No, you cannot… even if you came here you could not… at best you could just be jinxed.



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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: September/29/2015 at 19:27
If Kahles glass is as good or better than Hensoldt, you have the best Kahles yet made, or the worst Hensoldt, or both.

I own both, it ain't even close. For my 2, I should say.

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Posted By: Magnumdood
Date Posted: October/27/2015 at 00:38
My 6-24x72 Henny has never shown any of the problems the gentleman with the smudged lenses listed. It quite simply is THE best passive Night Vision made.  To get better NV you need a scope that electronically enhances the image.  Over the last 20 years I've had a half-dozen Nighforces, five S&B 5-25x56 scopes, standard Zeiss scopes, IOR, and probably some others - The Henny so far has been the ONLY scope I didn't try to trade away or sell for another project.  I am going to will it to my daughter upon my passing.  She LOVES it!

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Posted By: SAPR
Date Posted: October/31/2015 at 09:02
I´ve found a 2012 Zeiss Optronics / Hensoldt brochure on the net and wonder about elevation ranges: 

6-24x72 SFP: +- 100cm at 100m (=200cm total)
6-24x56 SFP: +- 80cm at 100m (=160cm total)

So far no surprise. 

Now in a 2012 presentation there is the 6-24x72 SAM listed as available with either SFP or FFP, but there is just a single value for elevation adjustment range: 

6-24x74: +-100cm at 100m (=200cm total, see above)

And here is the strange thing. In the same presentation there are also the 3-12x56 and 4-16x56 models, and they show a difference in adjustment range depending on FFP or SFP: 

3-12x56 SFP: +-200cm at 100m (=400cm total)
3-12x56 FFP: +-150cm at 100m (=300cm total)  (25% loss)

4-16x56 SFP: +-150cm at 100m (=300cm total)
4-16x56 FFP: +-112cm at 100m (=224cm total)  (24,6% loss)

Given that we seem to loose some elevation range by going for a FFP, I wonder what the reason for that is (asking for a technical explanation). 

I wonder if the 6-24x72 SAM will suffer from that as well, as only SFP elevation is shown. If the same principle applies, can we estimate that a FFP SAM would have around 25% loss as well, which means it will end up having around 150cm / +-75cm adjustment only ? 

I´m asking because I soon will get one and need to decide between SFP and FFP. I prefer FFP, but wasn´t aware of the reduced elevation range so far...





Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 17:58
  I looked through a Hensoldt 6-24x72 and it is probably the best I have seen. I have S&B,Zeiss, Swarovski,Leica,NF etc etc...
 After looking through it I ordered one.It should be here in about 3 weeks.
 Incidentally, on expensive optics I had to learn the hard way.Just save yourself the time and get yourself a Near Manufacturing Alpha mount. They never leave a mark on the scope and therefore save you money in the long run if you want to sell the optic. They are $325 Canadian dollars....


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/25/2015 at 20:11
Originally posted by canuck525 canuck525 wrote:

  I looked through a Hensoldt 6-24x72 and it is probably the best I have seen. I have S&B,Zeiss, Swarovski,Leica,NF etc etc...
 After looking through it I ordered one.It should be here in about 3 weeks.
 Incidentally, on expensive optics I had to learn the hard way.Just save yourself the time and get yourself a Near Manufacturing Alpha mount. They never leave a mark on the scope and therefore save you money in the long run if you want to sell the optic. They are $325 Canadian dollars....

I agree… the Near Alphamount is superior in every respect.  It supports all my highest quality scopes.


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Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: January/29/2016 at 13:20
  Received my Hensoldt about a week ago and had a chance to try it out over the last few days.
 I am extremely disappointed. The CA is brutal in this scope. I have no idea how it left the factory like this.
 A snow line at 900 yards looked like someone painted a line 6 -8 feet deep across the entire field of view with florescent green, shift your eye down and it looks like 6-8 feet bright purple across the entire field of view. The images was impossible to focus past 500-600 yards. At dusk a $300 bushnell was superior( no I am not kidding)..It is simply blurry past 500-600 yards no matter what you do. Of course this as well as the rainbow effect is caused by excessive CA.
  If Hensoldt doesn't get their act together they will be for sale again....
 I am waiting to hear back from the dealer in order to send it back...
  Mistakes happen but it seems there are at least 3 mistakes in this one thread.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/29/2016 at 14:10

This thread is confusing the hell out of me.  I have extensive experience with the Hensoldt 6-24x72 FFP and the Kahles 6-24x56, and people are saying things about the Henny that are orthogonal to my experience.
If someone chimes in that their Barska is better than the Henny, I'll know I've been played; but till them, what the hell are you people doing!


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Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: January/29/2016 at 14:28
  I ordered 3 scopes at the same time to compare. SO far I received the Hensoldt 6-24x72 and Schmidt and Bender PMII  5-25x56. I am still waiting on a Tangent Theta 5-25x56.
  Obviously I got a defective Hensoldt. I just don't see how they could ship a scope that was so bad.
 This was my first Hensoldt so I am not to thrilled about receiving a dud. Anyway, I have emailed the dealer and am waiting to hear back from him. Hopefully they replace it without a hassle and send a properly functioning unit.
  Hensoldt was bought  by Cassidian a couple of years ago. I am wondering if that has anything to do with what seems to be a quality control issue.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/29/2016 at 14:41
Are you buying from a reputable dealer, an actual dealer?  These aren't ebay purchases, right?  No extra letters in "Hensoldt"?
Given the competitors, it will be close.  I have used the S&B, Henny, and the old Premier that is the foundation for the Tangent Theta, all great glass, each with a few differences.
If you look through the Henny and don't immediately say "wow", then yes, something is wrong.


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Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: January/29/2016 at 14:49
  If is from an authorized dealer. I have purchased from him several times including a Vectronix PLRF15C and Leica 8x42 HD-B rangefinder binos.
   As I said, I guess I got a dud but I must say it was extremely disappointing cause I looked through one before and thought it was the best I had seen.


Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: January/29/2016 at 14:51
on a positive note it has by far the best eye box i have ever seen...


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/29/2016 at 15:43
In all honesty, with Hensoldt's changes to warranty coverage over the past few years, I would be more inclined to go TT or S&B right now, just too much in question with Hensoldt.

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Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: January/29/2016 at 16:29
  The main purpose of the 6-24x72 was going to be for long range hunting( for mature whitetail bucks) which is often in low light. So I hope the next one meets my expectations. If not I am probably going with a zeiss 4.8-35x60 or the  S&B 4-16x56 PMII ultra bright.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/29/2016 at 16:51
If the Hensoldts you are buying are the ones after sellout by Zeiss, I cannot speak to those… Other than the only 3.5-26 I've ever had my hands on, I was not very impressed with.  

I would not purchase one of the Airbus versions.  Never cared for much of anything built by Airbus.


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Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: February/01/2016 at 12:37
  Found out they are still built in the same place. I guess I just got a dud . It happens. Anyway, I should have a replacement in about 3 weeks.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: February/01/2016 at 21:36
Originally posted by canuck525 canuck525 wrote:

  Found out they are still built in the same place. I guess I just got a dud . It happens. Anyway, I should have a replacement in about 3 weeks.
Built at the same place doesn't carry much meaning… there are a number of scopes "built at the same place" as fine…exceptional... scopes that do not have the same quality control.  I have not researched the Airbus takeover after Cassidian became a majority owner of the Hensoldt brand.  Every Hensoldt I've ever had my hands on has been of superior quality in every category… except the 3.5-26(but I did not have enough time to do more than make a cursory examination, fire a few rounds… I was just not as impressed as I expected).  
It would be a real shame to see Hensoldt become "just another name"…

scottyman, my apologies for doubting you.  Though I still find it difficult to believe Hensoldt would have fallen so far, based upon what I've seen, just very recently, of the company manipulations in the last few years, anything is possible.  Flabbergasting to imagine that Zeiss would let such things happen.  I've never seen a Hensoldt that was not optically superior.  They are beginning to sound like ATN...

Nothing is sacred… 

 


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Posted By: Magnumdood
Date Posted: February/03/2016 at 21:23
Koshkin did a quick report on the 2016 Shot Show.  He said, hands down, no question, Tangent Theta was the best scope in the world.  He wasn't just talking optically either even though it does have the best image.  Everything on the Tangent Theta appears to have been carefully considered and very well engineered and built.

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Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: February/23/2016 at 21:32
 I will be picking up the replacement Henny tomorrow. It will be a a couple of weeks before I get a chance to put it through the paces. I am crossing my fingers( and toes).....


Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: March/12/2016 at 11:33
  Ok, finally got a chance to evaluate the replacement Hensoldt 6-24x72. Hensoldt was aware of the problem with the first one and sent this repacement from Germany.First off after carefully inspecting the scope I could see several scratches on one of the interior lenses but they were tiny( still shouldn't be there).  Optically it was much better than the first but still sub standard. My 8-32 Sightron SIII was superior and my Schmidt and Bender 5-25x56 PMII was in an entirely different league in every optical category.
 Long story short is this Hensh*t is going back and I am not giving them a third chance( unless Zeiss buys them back). I am both disappointed and ticked off they would send out a replacement scope like this( even after knowing how bad the first one was).
  At this point I simply cannot recommend this scope unless it was under $700 .


Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: March/13/2016 at 23:33

  As a clarification , when I said $700 I mean from an optical stand point. The scope was in the neighbor hood of a 700 dollar optic.

  As a side not. I spoke to the importer and he will actually be visiting the factory in approximately 3 weeks. He is going to bring up my experience and try to find out what is going on/what has changed since Zeiss sold it. He said he was then going to decide whether to continue with the line or not.



Posted By: canuck525
Date Posted: March/19/2016 at 16:01
 Another follow up here. The dealer loaned me a 3.5-26x56 Hensoldt.
 This is the best optic I have ever looked through. Now, I am looking for a way to afford it.
 I think I should start a "go fund me" project......lol.....


Posted By: verminator
Date Posted: May/11/2016 at 09:28
had a look at one off these amazing piece a kitt glass wise and build wise and for the price here in the EU a steal  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twLgOIq1xVg - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twLgOIq1xVg  


Posted By: 49GMC
Date Posted: June/23/2016 at 05:57
Hello all.  I'm new here, first post.  I've got another Cassidian Hensoldt QC issue unfortunately.  I'd always wanted a 6-24x72.  I noticed the "clearance sale" last november but unfortunately all they had left at that point was a 6-24x56 so I settled for that.  It arrived and was missing two hashmarks on the vertical elevation turret.  The glass was good.  When I sent it back they had received another 6-24x72 SAM FF, which they graciously allowed me to exchange for the defective 56mm.  What's another $2k right? :)

Unfortunately I was disappointed with a few features of the SAM.  Most notably the relative encoders used on the turrets.  Whenever the SAM is turned on the turrets must be spun through their entire range of travel before the adjustments are able to be displayed in the digital display.  Also the reticle illumination was so dim as to be useless at low magnification during twilight.  I've never had a FFP scope before and for my use (low light midrange white tail hunting) I don't feel that it would be a benefit.  I'd love to hear any contrary opinions!  I feel that that since I will always be using a laser range finder that the compromise between reticle visibilty at low vs high power would be detrimental.  

The SAM was advertised as a SFP so based on it being misrepresented and not being happy I asked to return it and am being allowed to do so.  They had recieved another 6-24x72 standard so I got that.  After reading the latest comments here I'm quite afraid that I'll get a dud!!!!  Wish me luck!  Feel free to ask any questions about the mythical SAM!

Thanks for a great forum!





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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: June/23/2016 at 06:25
49GMC, Welcome to the OT and good luck.👍😎

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/23/2016 at 06:29
Originally posted by 49GMC 49GMC wrote:

Hello all.  I'm new here, first post.  I've got another Cassidian Hensoldt QC issue unfortunately.  I'd always wanted a 6-24x72.  I noticed the "clearance sale" last november but unfortunately all they had left at that point was a 6-24x56 so I settled for that.  It arrived and was missing two hashmarks on the vertical elevation turret.  The glass was good.  When I sent it back they had received another 6-24x72 SAM FF, which they graciously allowed me to exchange for the defective 56mm.  What's another $2k right? :)

Unfortunately I was disappointed with a few features of the SAM.  Most notably the relative encoders used on the turrets.  Whenever the SAM is turned on the turrets must be spun through their entire range of travel before the adjustments are able to be displayed in the digital display.  Also the reticle illumination was so dim as to be useless at low magnification during twilight.  I've never had a FFP scope before and for my use (low light midrange white tail hunting) I don't feel that it would be a benefit.  I'd love to hear any contrary opinions!  I feel that that since I will always be using a laser range finder that the compromise between reticle visibilty at low vs high power would be detrimental.  

The SAM was advertised as a SFP so based on it being misrepresented and not being happy I asked to return it and am being allowed to do so.  They had recieved another 6-24x72 standard so I got that.  After reading the latest comments here I'm quite afraid that I'll get a dud!!!!  Wish me luck!  Feel free to ask any questions about the mythical SAM!

Thanks for a great forum!




What you got was NOT the "mythical SAM"... I've not seen the knockoffs that are obviously "out there" now, but if you paid under $10000 for a Hensoldt SAM, you got a knockoff. 



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Posted By: 49GMC
Date Posted: June/23/2016 at 10:48
I find that pretty hard to believe given the distributor through which it was purchased. They are the current US Hensoldt distributor, confirmed by emailing hensoldt Germany directly and their answer coming through this distributor. The SAM has been discontinued, thus the $4500 price.

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/23/2016 at 11:22
They have been heavily discounted. A friend bought a 6-24x72 late last year, got a great deal.

Sorry for the troubles. When they work, they work great, best image I have ever seen.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/23/2016 at 12:49
Originally posted by 49GMC 49GMC wrote:

I find that pretty hard to believe given the distributor through which it was purchased. They are the current US Hensoldt distributor, confirmed by emailing hensoldt Germany directly and their answer coming through this distributor. The SAM has been discontinued, thus the $4500 price.

I guess I'm just lucky…

I've seen the discounted prices, considered a purchase, got a warn-off.


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