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Topic: new ruger rifle
Posted By: billyburl2
Subject: new ruger rifle
Date Posted: July/19/2015 at 18:55
http://%20www.ruger.com/mobile/dynamic/mobileSearch.php - http://www.ruger.com/mobile/dynamic/mobileSearch.php
anybody else see these and get interested?

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: July/19/2015 at 19:12
Can't open billy.

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/19/2015 at 19:15
Yeah, can't see nutin. 

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Posted By: 637mase
Date Posted: July/19/2015 at 19:31
if this is referencing the RPR Ruger Precision Rifle, Looks like a pretty useful platform at a great price point. Have only seen 2 demo's though. Definitely interested in one in 308...will see what the jury says.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/19/2015 at 19:43


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/20/2015 at 07:54
MSRP on this girl is $1399.00. That's a lot 'o gun for the price. If I read correctly, you can use AI mags with this too, in addition with the ability to swap out barrels fairly easily. 

Wish they offered one in a .300 Winnie.... 


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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: July/20/2015 at 08:01
I'm not tacticool enough for that thing. Cool


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Posted By: stork23raz
Date Posted: July/20/2015 at 09:04
LowLight did it review for it on the Hide. He seemed to really like it. 
Looks like a great setup for the money.


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: July/20/2015 at 09:11
Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

I'm not tacticool enough for that thing. Cool


Me neither Ric, don't feel like the Lone Ranger.




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It is the same when you are stupid.


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: July/20/2015 at 09:24
 
Good thing cause you look like the Lone Ranger's grandpa.... Smile


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/20/2015 at 09:30
That baby in 6.5 Creed is thought provoking. 

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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: July/20/2015 at 13:10
Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

 
Good thing cause you look like the Lone Ranger's grandpa.... Smile


 And your point is ??????????????????????????????????????????? Loco


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: July/21/2015 at 05:51

Point?!?!  

It was an OBSERVATION!

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Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: July/21/2015 at 09:50
The creed well probably be the best selling caliber. It is decidedly a feature rich rifle, I just hope the barrel quality stays high, because ruger has a history it'd letting quality slip after the new wears off a product line.

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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: July/21/2015 at 10:26
I'm kinda scratching my head on this one....
 
If your going all "PRECISION" why try doing it on an AR15 platform?!?!
Granted there are limitless clothes to dress it in but an AR15 barby doll gun just doesn't ring true to me in the "Precidion" arena....  reduced kickback and reduced mussle flip are nice things to have but....


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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
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Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: July/21/2015 at 10:52
The only AR parts are the sticks grip and for end. It is still a bolt action so it will lock up tight. Bring able to run different tires of magazines id's also a plus.

The biggest benefit of running AR furniture, is adaptability and customization. If you can tune the stock to fit YOU, and not the other way around, you will shoot better!

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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/21/2015 at 10:53
"Feature rich" indeed. I see now that it's a folder too. I like it. 

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/19/2015 at 17:56
Originally posted by stork23raz stork23raz wrote:

LowLight did it review for it on the Hide. He seemed to really like it. 
Looks like a great setup for the money.

http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/story/1564384-the-ruger-precision-rifle-6-5-cm


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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: August/19/2015 at 21:29
I like this one in the Creed.

Downright reasonable on price.

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Posted By: Rainman
Date Posted: August/20/2015 at 01:26
My local dealer got one in each caliber and all three sold the same day.  I bought the 6.5 Creedmore and robbed the SS 3-15 from my Grendel for break in.  These have hammer forged 5R rifled barrels and are built on the Ruger American action.  Using Hornady factory 140 grain ammo the thrid shot got it on POA and the next five shots measured under .6". Shots 1-5 were each from a clean barrel.  The next three shots without cleaning were clover leafed.  Dies, brass and bullets are on the way.  Although list is $1,399 and prices are going crazy on Gun Broker, of the four I have seen locally three sold for $995 and one for $1,095 so shop around.  It will be a couple weeks before I can get to the range again and I should have some test loads worked up.  I'm thinking mine may need Cerakote if the initial accuracy with factory loads holds up or improves with handloads.

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/20/2015 at 04:46
Originally posted by Rainman Rainman wrote:

I'm thinking mine may need Cerakote if the initial accuracy with factory loads holds up or improves with handloads.

???? I don't get it. 


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: August/20/2015 at 05:34
Think he means it's then a "KEEPER" for him...

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/20/2015 at 13:53
Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Think he means it's then a "KEEPER" for him...

Ah so....I missed that. 


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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: August/20/2015 at 15:02
KCR has been getting them in lately and they've been flying off the shelf. They were all in .308 but he finally got one in in 6.5 Creed. It was $995. It was impressive.


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Posted By: Rainman
Date Posted: August/20/2015 at 21:44
Some of the bid up prices on Gun Broker were pretty astounding.  With limited shooting I am pretty happy with my 6.5 so far and will probably personalize it with Cerekote this winter with a subdued camo pattern of sorts.  I think there will be lots of these around so this will be a way to make mine a little different without spending a huge amount.  This may be the one that justifies an SS 5-20 HD. 

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: August/21/2015 at 05:13
Justify shmutisfy.... get it if ya want it....   Who needs a left kidney anyway?!?!

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: August/21/2015 at 09:28
The Ruger with a SS 5-20x50 would be the perfect combination for an entry level precision competition rifle. Heck, may not need anything else.


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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: September/20/2015 at 11:17
Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

I like this one in the Creed.

Downright reasonable on price.






 








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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: September/21/2015 at 05:42
That thing probably costs more than the state of West Virginia!!!!  Almost has as many Sat TV dishes too!

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Posted By: HKtoTikka
Date Posted: November/18/2015 at 15:54
Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

That thing probably costs more than the state of West Virginia!!!!  Almost has as many Sat TV dishes too!


So its above $1203.18 then?


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 08:09
Smile

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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 09:12











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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 09:42


They are  purdy rifles!!!!


Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 09:51

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Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 09:53








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Posted By: urbaneruralite
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 15:11
Curious to see how smooth is the action on those. Supposed to be the same as the American Rifle. My RAR ain't exactly slick. Seeing as how those cost more than a Tikka CTR, I'm head scratchin'.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 16:08
Why would anybody want a bolt action rifle that looks and feels like an AR???

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 16:13
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Why would anybody want.........an AR???

Beats me...
 



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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 16:21
Me tooooo!

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Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 16:28

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Why would anybody want a bolt action rifle that looks and feels like an AR???


It has similar appeal in regards to the European builders.



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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 16:31
AI sweetness....




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Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 16:33
Honestly I can't put my finger on it, but I really like the Ruger Precision Rifle. Perhaps it just looks cool, but in 6.5 Creedmoor it would preform really well in medium to long range. Plus it has a good value as well.

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 16:51
It appears to be a nice rifle at a great price point. In 6.5 Creed? Wow.    

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 17:05
6.5 Creed in my new LAW but I'm old ( really ) old and way tooooo traditional for that new Star Wars lookin' stuff.



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When you are dead, you don't know you are dead.It is difficult only for others.

It is the same when you are stupid.


Posted By: HKtoTikka
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 18:40
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Why would anybody want a bolt action rifle that looks and feels like an AR???


Because you get the accuracy of a bolt action, with the customization (or most) of an AR.

You have caliber customization also.  Not just what Ruger offers.  I was reading a thread at snipers hide. 

http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/story/1613039-ruger-precision-rifle-upgrade-project - http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/story/1613039-ruger-precision-rifle-upgrade-project

Of note:

Quote Chad Dixon at LRI started out with aluminum bolt shrouds as well as after market / custom barrels that were drop in.  The nice part about the Ruger, it's Castle Nut and Jam Nut let you head space the rifle using the nuts vs having to machine it in. So guys like LRI and Patrior Valley who is also doing barrel upgrades can sell you a prefit barrel that works.


So I can spend 50-200 instead of 400+ on the stock I want.
I can spend 20-100 instead of oops not on the grip I want.
etc.


Posted By: Rainman
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 18:46
Me too but I bought one anyway in 6.5 Creedmore.  All I've done so far is shoot Hornady and Winchester factory match ammo at 100 and 200 yards for sight in.  Out of the box it is a half MOA shooter with factory ammo and it will be ready for handload testing next April out to 400 yards on paper and 1100 on steel.  No complaints al all for a $995 rifle. Hope to have it Cerakoted by then also.

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Posted By: HKtoTikka
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 18:46
So who needs that?  Seriously?

http://criterionbarrels.com/prefits/ruger-precision-rifle-pre-fit-barrel - http://criterionbarrels.com/prefits/ruger-precision-rifle-pre-fit-barrel

Available chamber options are listed below:

 

22 CAL 1-8, 9, 12, & 14 twists (with 1-7 option)

.22-250 Remington, 22-250 A.I.
 

6mm 1-8 twist (with 1-7.5, 1-9, 1-10, 1-14 options)

6 XC, 243 Win., 243 Win. Match, 243 A.I., 243 A.I. Match, 6mm Creedmoor
 

6.5mm 1-7.5 & 1-8 twist

6.5 Creedmoor, 260 Rem.,
260 Rem. Match, 260 A.I., 260 A.I. Match

7mm 1-9 twist (with 1-8.5 & 1-10 options)

7mm-08

30 CAL 1-10 twist (with 1-8, 11, 12, & 13 options)

308 Win., M118 LR
 




Posted By: HKtoTikka
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 18:50
From a thread at ar15.com. regarding replacement barrels

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Long Rifles, Inc is offering barrels.

They are offering them in any of the following calibers, as the short action cartridge using a .480" bolt face:

22-250 Remington
250 Savage
243 Win
260 Rem
6.5 Creedmoor
6mm Comp Match
7mm-08
308
338-308
6mm BR
6mm Dasher
6mm Long Dasher
6.5x47 Lapua
6x47 Lapua



Posted By: HKtoTikka
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 18:54
Originally posted by Rainman Rainman wrote:

Me too but I bought one anyway in 6.5 Creedmore.  All I've done so far is shoot Hornady and Winchester factory match ammo at 100 and 200 yards for sight in.  Out of the box it is a half MOA shooter with factory ammo and it will be ready for handload testing next April out to 400 yards on paper and 1100 on steel.  No complaints al all for a $995 rifle. Hope to have it Cerakoted by then also.


When I picked up my Tikka Sporter (from Fountain Firearms in Houston TX), I asked about the RPRs.  They didnt have any, they had some come in, that moved fast.  I asked about the price, they said they were selling it cheap, something around 1000 I think.


Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 19:35
Why not but something better to begin with?

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Posted By: HKtoTikka
Date Posted: November/19/2015 at 23:20
Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Why not but something better to begin with?


There is always that path.  You are right.  But in this case its not about the destination, its about the journey.

Lots of people (me included) love the easy and affordable customization of the AR platform.

So in this regard you get customization on a bolt action you can do without having to worry about bedding and mounting.  You dont have to swap out an entire stock.  One can swap grips, buttstocks, handguards etc.  Lets face it.  The AR is a lovely tinkerers platform.  So if you like that, then its the best of both worlds with superior bolt action accuracy and an ease of customization. 

Yeah, its doesnt float everyone's boat.  What does?  But for those who see some value in having a platform where they can change out elements of the stock at will at an affordable rate without extensive smithing required, its awesome. 

And again for those who want an adaptable platform.

Its the perfect next tier for an AR shooter.

And no, that doesnt mean I didnt spend a half hour the other night checking out the Anchutzes and Tikkas on Gunbroker. 

For AR builders, who enjoy putting them together, this has an incredible appeal.  I have done that.  I have also bought a couple.  And everytime I look at that Seekins special I think how nice it would be to build another AR (despite the landmines Rancid found).  And if I could unload those 2 Armalites I would love to buy one of the RPRs.  And then I could spend a couple hours debating what caliber and how to dress it up (Definitely a Magpull PRS for me too).  Of course this totally ignores the fact I have a spare Rock River lower and a SOCOM lower and I should use them first but oh well.



Posted By: Stevey Ducks
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 00:57

Eventually I will have one in .22-.250 with a 1-8. Shooting 75 grain Amax or Berger VLD's it will outperform many or not all of the standard RPR calibers for trajectory and wind.

I like the collapsible stock and I suppose I will gradually accept all the rough edges and small adjustable parts. Might also get some type of 6.5 barrel if the issue one is not up to my picky standards.

My ideal rifle shape is sort of like the ocean going vessel, boat, yacht shown on the previous page.

AR type rifles are of the populist type and the RPR will probably join them.



Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 06:22
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Why would anybody want a bolt action rifle that looks and feels like an AR???


It feels nothing like an AR.
 I really like mine. It has a nice weight, smooth action, great trigger, Its really a nice rifle. I wanted a 243 so I got one, and a a once in a  lifetime deal. I have less in this RPR new than I can buy them at my cost.



Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 06:34
Now that's a GOOD reason!!!! Cool

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 06:43


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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 06:44


dang I need to clean my work bench up a little.



Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 09:42

Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Why not but something better to begin with?

If you just want the RPR and do not have any plans of augmenting it, I would say opt for the 6.5 Creedmoor.

Although, and someone may have differing insight, if you did want to change the barrel, I would entertain the .260 Rem or the 6.5X47 Lapua. Ballistic tables on those two rounds are outstanding. They are two in particular I have had my eyes on. Mostly because I love the .300 win mag so much. However these trail just under the .300 and the recoil is more manageable.




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Posted By: Stevey Ducks
Date Posted: November/20/2015 at 21:48

The 6.5 CM, .260, and 6.5X47Lapua are very similar, probably about 50 fps with the same bullet.

The issues to consider are the Lapua uses really pricy brass, about $1.25 - $1.30 per piece. I have a 6.5X47Lapua and have never had a cartridge that is as easy to develop loads for - it is outstanding. In addition it fits inside a .308 Win magazine size or action fine and in practically all cases the heel of the boat tail just above the junction of neck and shoulder. Case capacity with all suitable powders is in the 90-100 percent range. Velocities with 120's approach 2950 and 140's 2700. Varmint loads using the 100 Amax approach 3150. Don't lose your brass in the weeds after shooting a varmint. My rifle is a M77 MKII and upon getting into this project I selected one of my rifles with the best centered firing pin in the bolt face because of the small size primer - this possibly might be an issue in a RPR re-barrel job.

When loading the .260 to fit inside my standard .308 Win size magazine and standard size .260 chamber, longer 140 grain bullets had to be seated deeply into the brass case. In all instances 120, 123, and 140 grain bullets contacted the neck shoulder area of the brass.

The 6.5 CM avoids the size dilemma of the .260 making for a good fitting round inside the magazine/chamber and the brass is about 1/2 the price of the 6.5X47Lapua.

Maximum loads for the 6.5X47Lapua approach 63,000 psi (hot) and the brass is really tough as expected for stuff costing up to $1.30 each.

Given a choice I would go for the 6.5 CM. Back when I shot HiPower I wish I had a 6.5CM rather than a .308 Win.

A well developed .22-.250 load giving 3250 fps for 75 grain bullets should not be ignored - barrel life is about 1/2 of the 6.5 rounds. 1500 vs 3000.  Trajectories are real flat and it goes through the wind great - read all about it in the Berger manual.

The old slopey shouldered short necked .243 Win never would be a bad choice. I have 2 of them that I shoot with 105 grain boat tail bullets of different makes and can make hits way out there. The short necks make me more attentive to case sizing, neck tension and bullet seating.

Possibly a King Gong version in .338 Lapua?

If you don't hand load just get a 6.5 CM, shoot factory ammo and forget all the picky stuff described above.



Posted By: urbaneruralite
Date Posted: November/21/2015 at 10:14
I looked at it some more, investigating barrel swaps for my RAR. It seems to me that the extended bolt shroud on the RPR could make up for the rough surfaces in the action. Having more support for the bolt in the rear will prevent binding.


Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: November/23/2015 at 23:50
Originally posted by urbaneruralite urbaneruralite wrote:

I looked at it some more, investigating barrel swaps for my RAR. It seems to me that the extended bolt shroud on the RPR could make up for the rough surfaces in the action. Having more support for the bolt in the rear will prevent binding.

Look at Long Rifles Inc. They have aluminum shrouds available in the white, and anodized black. They are also stocking pre-chambered barrels, I believe.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 06:17
Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:



dang I need to clean my work bench up a little.

Looks like a duck, quacks a lot like a duck, but has the wrong action...


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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 06:29
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:



dang I need to clean my work bench up a little.

Looks like a duck, quacks a lot like a duck, but has the wrong action...


Just because she looks like a women, talks like a women, built  like a women, Don't mean she is a women when you pick her up to play with her..., Aye, fill the folks in on that one!!! Bandito



Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 06:54
You must be referring to the new Jenner action used in those RPRs

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 07:09
He got a special deal… RPR with COMPLETE Jenner action...

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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 07:21
Well! This went south in a hurry!

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 07:28
Want do you expect with Brandon driving the bus????

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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 08:09
Dig deeper guys, your only seeing the surface.



Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 08:52
dig deeper?!?!?  We're trying to close Pandora's box here!!!!

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: November/24/2015 at 09:08
Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

dig deeper?!?!?  We're trying to close Pandora's box here!!!!

Good luck with that!


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