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Topic: SWFA SS 1-4x24 Illuminated Mil-Quad DM
Posted By: Chris Farris II
Subject: SWFA SS 1-4x24 Illuminated Mil-Quad DM
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 09:38

http://swfa.com/catalog/product/view/id/109309/s/swfa-ss-1-4x24-tactical-30mm-riflescope/">

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-1-4x24-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P78365.aspx - Utilizing the Illuminated Mil-Quad DM reticle in the second focal plane gives you better target acquisition in CQB scenarios while maintaining its ability to range and provide aiming points at max power.
  • The new Illuminated Mil-Quad DM Reticle has built in aiming points for 100, 200, and 300 yards for most 5.56 and 7.62 rounds.  
  • It utilizes a Mil based reticle and has the ability to provide the shooter with accurate target distances utilizing the built in target ranging references. The ranging references can be used to range various objects in various sizes. You can range anything 72", 36", or 24" tall as well as any object 18" wide. This gives you the ability to range objects such as human silhouettes, IPSC silhouettes, deer, hogs or even coyotes.
  • The exposed knobs have .1 Mil Adjustments per click and 5 Mils per revolution.
  • The power ring comes threaded for 3 different size throw levers, 5mm, 10mm and 15mm all of which are included. These give you the ability to rapidly zoom in and out and are customizable to fit each shooters preference. 
  • When you're looking for a scope that can accommodate all of your needs in a single unit NOTHING COMES CLOSE.
 
Specs
Exit Pupil:                               6mm - 10.5mm
Weight:                                  14.1 oz
Length:                                   10.2"
Field of View @ 100yds:            24.8 - 99.9 ft 
Eye Relief (in):                         
5.0 - 3.1 
Diopter Compensation:              
-2 ~ +1 dpr
Click Adjustment Value:             0.1 MRAD
Adjustment Per Revoultion:        5 Mils
Total Elevation Adjustment:       55 Mils
 
Total Windage Adjustment:        55 Mils

Type of Reticle:                        Illuminated Mil-Quad DM
Focal Plane:                             2nd
Coating:                                  Fully Multi Coated
Waterproof:                              Yes
Fogproof:                                 Yes
Shockproof:                              Yes
 
 
 
SWFA SS 1-4x24 SFP with Subtensions (Click to Zoom): 
http://swfa.com/images/SS1-4x24_SFP%5b1%5d.jpg">
 
 
 
SWFA SS 1-4x24 SFP (Click to Zoom):
http://swfa.com/images/SS1-4x24_SFPNoDim.jpg">
 
 
 
100, 200, and 300 Yard Aiming Points 
When zeroed at 200 yards this reticle offers accurate 100 yard, 200 yard, and 300 yard aiming points for most 5.56 and 7.62 rounds. Utilize the center dot for your 200 yard zero. The top of the diamond offers a 100 yard aiming point and the bottom of the diamond offers a 300 yard aiming point.  
http://swfa.com/images/SS1-4x24_SFP.jpg -
 
The rounds this reticle were designed to be used with are M852, M80, M118LR, M193, and M855.
 
The actual point of impact vs. point of aim:
 
M852      7.62 168 Grain @ 2600 FPS .35 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .05 Mils High at 300 yards 
M80        7.62 147 Grain @ 2850 FPS .45 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .15 Mils High at 300 yards 
M118LR  7.62 175 Grain @ 2600 FPS .35 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .05 Mils High at 300 yards 
M193      5.56   55 Grain @ 3100 FPS .55 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .15 Mils High at 300 yards 
M855      5.56   62 Grain @ 3000 FPS .55 Mils Low @ 100 yards, Zero 200 yards, .15 Mils High at 300 yards 
 
 
 
Target Ranging References 
All of the target ranging references are calibrated for 72" height as well as 18" width.
 
 
To use it for 36" tall targets simply divide your range shown on the reticle by 2 and for 24" tall targets divide by 3. Examples are listed below.
 
 
The target below is a 72" tall silhouette of a human. Considering it is 72" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 800 yard target ranging indicator this target is 800 yards away. 
 
 
 
 
The target below is a 72" tall silhouette of a human. Considering it is 72" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 200 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away.
 
 
 
 
The target below is a 18" wide silhouette of a human. Considering it is 18" wide and fits just on top of our 200 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away. 
 
 
 
 
The target below is a 18" wide silhouette. Considering it is 18" wide and fits just on top of our 200 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away.
 
 
 
 
The target below is a 36" shoulder height silhouette of a deer. Considering it is 36" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 400 yard target ranging indicator this target is 200 yards away. It is 200 yards away and not 400 yards because we are using a target that is half the height of what the target ranging references are calibrated for, so we have to divide the given range by 2.  
 
 
 
 
 
The target below is a 36" shoulder height silhouette of a deer. Considering it is 36" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 800 yard target ranging indicator this target is 400 yards away. It is 400 yards away and not 800 yards because we are using a target that is half the height of what the target ranging references are calibrated for, so we have to divide the given range by 2.
 
 
 
 
 
The target below is a 24" shoulder height silhouette of a hog. Considering it is 24" tall and fits just between our horizontal crosshair and the 300 yard target ranging indicator this target is 100 yards away. It is 100 yards away and not 300 yards because we are using a target that is one third the height of what the target ranging reference is calibrated for, so we have to divide the given range by 3.
 
 


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Replies:
Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 10:14
YippeeExcellent

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 10:27
Very cool!

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 11:34
I like it... bears some similarities to some other scopes I have, but this is a highly functional application. 

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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 13:00
That's a great addition to the product line. The accompanying ranging diagrams help show the utility. I've found with other 1-4s and 1-6s that I either wanted to be at 1 or the highest setting so making it SFP makes sense. The price is fantastic.

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Posted By: Stephanie
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 13:48
Call

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 15:37
I spent about a week playing with this scope and I will do a more thorough test once they have a batch of these come in.  The scope I had was, I believe, a fully finished design, not a prototype of some sort.




Overall, I liked it a lot.  I will have a proper article on it up shortly, but in the meantime, I canfield most questions I suppose.

In terms of price and performance this scopes goes after the same crowd that is looking at Vortex PST 1-4x24 and Leatherd CMR4 1-4x24.

I had the CMR4 on hand, so I looked at them side by side and also next to a few other scopes I happened to have lying around.


Here is the brief summary: 
-optically I expect it to be about as good as you will find in the sub$500 range.  It was better than the CMR4 which is no slouch by itself.
-I looked at it both in good light and low light found no major issues: flare is well controlled, resolution and contrast are both quite good.  Contrast is where it had the most edge over the CMR4.  There is a black ring around the image.  It is not hug, but it is noticeable.  In actual use I did not find it particularly noticeable though.
-Reticle illumination has a good range.  It is not quite bright enough for the brightest light conditions, but plenty good enough for everything else.
-I did not spend a whole lot of time working out the turrets.  I made a few adjustment and they seemed to track fine.  The turrets are of a low profile exposed design, but honestly, on scopes of this type I do not use the turrets much.
-The reticle itself I liked a lot.  Really a lot.  I had the scope sitting on my 6.5Grendel and after shooting some obligatory groups I started shooting at the metal plates out to 500 yards. The reticle is exceptionally good for shooting at objects.  Shooting groups took some focus, but shooting at silhouettes was very natural.  I did not really miss anything I shot at within 500 yards, which is pretty good for me shooting a scope that tops out at 4x.  For the load I was shooting, the outer top vertice of the diamond was dead on at 100 yards, which made the inner top vertice dead on at 50 and 150 yards.  The center dot was just right at 35 and 220 yards.  The inner bottom vertice was dead on 285 yards and the outer bottom vertice at 300 yards.  For 400 and 500 yards I used the mil scale that is underneath the diamond, which was less fast, but worked fine.
-This scope is just about the lightest design of its type at around 14 ounces, which I liked a lot.  The eyereleif is long and forgiving.

Once I get my hands on it again, I plan to put it on my 458SOCOM and see how it does.  The reticle should be perfect for the SOCOM with a 150yard zero.

ILya


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 16:24
Fantastic. Thank u swfa.

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 16:30
And we have to wait until the 28TH?!?!?!?   ARGH! 

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 17:56
Very nice write up Chris, can tell a great deal of work went into this. 

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 18:47
how many are you getting?  Cool

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: November/17/2014 at 19:49
I'll be picking up at least 1 right now I'm sure

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/18/2014 at 07:26
yeah me too but it is going to play hell with my Xmas budget.... Bucky

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/18/2014 at 07:27
My finances are in obamashambles.... Whacko

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/18/2014 at 09:59
I really wish they had a 1-8 with that reticle and superior glass...

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/18/2014 at 12:57
55 Mils of adjustment.  Yippee  That is crazy.  This will be awesome for a 300 blk


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/18/2014 at 13:26
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I really wish they had a 1-8 with that reticle and superior glass...
 
Well dorothy keep clicking those heels and maybe it will happen!!!
 
That would be a must have sciope for sure!


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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
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Posted By: SEMO Shooter
Date Posted: November/18/2014 at 14:11
Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

My finances are in obamashambles.... Whacko

If that is the case you should order 10 of these and ask them to send the bill to someone else!Wink


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/18/2014 at 20:10
LOL, unfortunately that only works for them....we go to jail!

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Posted By: 637mase
Date Posted: November/18/2014 at 20:34
This is great news, although I'll have to wait till the new year and miss out on the intro pricing. Holiday 

budget is so tight it creates a vacuum. Thanks to all at SWFA for great products and outstanding service.


Posted By: Cold Trigger Finger
Date Posted: November/20/2014 at 04:28
Just exactly what I was looking for. Blew me away when I first saw it
I almost scrolled past it thinking it was the 1-4 HD. Which, no doubt is a great.scope. But I wanted a center dot. And this has a roughly 1" dia. 1 moa,   .3 mil center dot. It will be ideal for most of my hunting rifles. Not overly crazy about only 3.1" eye relief on 4× but I can figure it out. Tho I may not put it on my next 416. I'll try it on my 458 Win Mag first. If I don't get ringed I'll be good to go.
For predator and big game hunting on everything else it looks like it will work great !! I didn't see the temperature rating or the 50 cal OK rating. Anyone know?

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Posted By: Cold Trigger Finger
Date Posted: November/20/2014 at 04:44
Also, I take it that it is a 30 mm tube?

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/20/2014 at 05:41
It is a 30mm tube.  Though not stated, I would bet a lot it is 50BMG rated.  SWFA does not make anything not 50BMG rated.  Some of the absolute toughest optics on the market.

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/20/2014 at 06:25
MMm glad he asked. Looking at it i was thingking it was a 1" tube..... NTS  need rings! Cool

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Posted By: Cold Trigger Finger
Date Posted: November/20/2014 at 13:32
With the lighter weight I wasn't sure. From the pics it looked like a 30 mm but, don't hurt to ask.


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Posted By: Mincer
Date Posted: November/21/2014 at 09:02
Chris,
Amazing timing. 
I've been laid up with a cast on my right foot (non-weight bearing and no driving) for the past month and I've been spending all of my free time doing internet research and obsessing over which 1-4x to buy for my AR when I recover.  I had finally made up my mind. The cast came off yesterday and then happened across your post. I was literally in the process of buying a Vortex PST 1-4x at the time because in my estimate, it was the best of the sub $500 options out there (even though there was no dedicated ranging worked into the reticle).  Ironically, the Leatherwood CMR4 was my second choice and it is compared to your new 1-4x in this forum as well. 

OK, so now the SWFA 1-4x has my complete attention.  Best in class weight, uncluttered yet usable ranging reticle (simple enough for CQB / refined enough to stretch out to +500yds), great company track record, AMAZING price point, even an integrated cattail. EVERYTHING I have been looking for.

I can certainly wait another week to order on November 28th.  Here's the question, WHEN will I get it if I buy it on the 28th?  Are they in stock? Do you anticipate them selling out?

I don't know if I can wait much longer!
Thanks,

Mincer


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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: November/21/2014 at 09:36
Originally posted by Mincer Mincer wrote:

Chris,
Amazing timing. 
I've been laid up with a cast on my right foot (non-weight bearing and no driving) for the past month and I've been spending all of my free time doing internet research and obsessing over which 1-4x to buy for my AR when I recover.  I had finally made up my mind. The cast came off yesterday and then happened across your post. I was literally in the process of buying a Vortex PST 1-4x at the time because in my estimate, it was the best of the sub $500 options out there (even though there was no dedicated ranging worked into the reticle).  Ironically, the Leatherwood CMR4 was my second choice and it is compared to your new 1-4x in this forum as well. 

OK, so now the SWFA 1-4x has my complete attention.  Best in class weight, uncluttered yet usable ranging reticle (simple enough for CQB / refined enough to stretch out to +500yds), great company track record, AMAZING price point, even an integrated cattail. EVERYTHING I have been looking for.

I can certainly wait another week to order on November 28th.  Here's the question, WHEN will I get it if I buy it on the 28th?  Are they in stock? Do you anticipate them selling out?

I don't know if I can wait much longer!
Thanks,

Mincer
The scopes will be in stock here in the next week. As long as you order the same day they come out you should be fine and you should have it within a week of ordering it.

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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: November/21/2014 at 10:19
reticle would be bad ass in the 3-9 and 3-15


Posted By: Mincer
Date Posted: November/21/2014 at 11:28
Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

The scopes will be in stock here in the next week. As long as you order the same day they come out you should be fine and you should have it within a week of ordering it.


I haven't participated in a "Black Friday" sales event in a while, particularly one that's online.  Could you tell us precisely when we should expect the "Add to Cart" button to appear on your website?
Oh Yea Baby
I'll try to calm down.
Thanks.


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: November/21/2014 at 12:06
Welcome to Optics Talk, Mincer. Black Friday is right around the corner...Yippee

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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: November/21/2014 at 15:17
Originally posted by Mincer Mincer wrote:

Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

The scopes will be in stock here in the next week. As long as you order the same day they come out you should be fine and you should have it within a week of ordering it.


I haven't participated in a "Black Friday" sales event in a while, particularly one that's online.  Could you tell us precisely when we should expect the "Add to Cart" button to appear on your website?
Oh Yea Baby
I'll try to calm down.
Thanks.
You can add to cart nowfor $399.95, but adding them to the cart at $299.95 will be available at 12:01 AM November 28th CST.

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Posted By: photek
Date Posted: November/21/2014 at 17:36
If you guys have a chance to field questions I definitely have some.  I apologize if these questions are answered elsewhere, I didn't seem to find them if they were.  

For SWFA:

1)  Is there going to be a version of this scope available in MOA instead of MIL ?
2)  Is there going to be a version of this scope with capped turrets ?
3)  Is the illumination on the scope considered "daylight" view-able ?
4)  What are the major differences in the SWFA SS HD 1-4x and this scope that warrant the significant price difference? (Clarity, Illumination, Ability to resist damage, etc.)

I have bought mounts and some other items through SWFA but have yet to purchase a scope.  I am heavily leaning towards the SWFA SS HD 1-4, but just stumbled across this deal and now I am reconsidering. Haha.  You guys are good. Smile

For any user that has used this scope:

- How does this compare directly with the Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24.  I assume this will be one of the primary competitors with this scope when it reaches it's final price.  They'll be within 100 bucks of one another.

- Anyone have experience with both the SWFA SS HD 1-4 and the newest 1-4?  I am definitely interested in a comparison.




Posted By: Cold Trigger Finger
Date Posted: November/22/2014 at 21:26
What is the reticle construction? Wire hung or etched?

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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: November/23/2014 at 19:03
Are there any plans for this reticle in other scopes?


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/24/2014 at 12:38
Originally posted by photek photek wrote:

If you guys have a chance to field questions I definitely have some.  I apologize if these questions are answered elsewhere, I didn't seem to find them if they were.  

For SWFA:

1)  Is there going to be a version of this scope available in MOA instead of MIL ?
2)  Is there going to be a version of this scope with capped turrets ?
3)  Is the illumination on the scope considered "daylight" view-able ?Yes, in anything, but the brightest light.  I tried it on a bright sunny day and on an overcast day.  On an overcast day it really stands out well.  The reticle, however, is quite fast even without ilumination.
4)  What are the major differences in the SWFA SS HD 1-4x and this scope that warrant the significant price difference? (Clarity, Illumination, Ability to resist damage, etc.)

I have bought mounts and some other items through SWFA but have yet to purchase a scope.  I am heavily leaning towards the SWFA SS HD 1-4, but just stumbled across this deal and now I am reconsidering. Haha.  You guys are good. Smile

For any user that has used this scope:

- How does this compare directly with the Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24.  I assume this will be one of the primary competitors with this scope when it reaches it's final price.  They'll be within 100 bucks of one another.  They are comparable in many ways.  The SSDM is likely a touch better optically, but it is close.  Mechanics are hard to tell for sure until there is a number of these out there.  The scope I played with did not hiccup at all.  I prefer the reticle on the SS, but that is personal.  The SSDM is a touch lighter though, which is important for my application.

- Anyone have experience with both the SWFA SS HD 1-4 and the newest 1-4?  I am definitely interested in a comparison.



I am not SWFA, but I can comment on a couple of things.  See above.

Ultimately, in the sub-$500 price range, there are now three truly viable low range variable scopes, where there were only two.  It has been Leatherwood CMR4 1-4x24 and Vortex PST 1-4x24.  Now there is also the SWFA SS DM 1-4x24.  Burris Tac30 and the original Leatherwood CMR are pretty good, but the three I referred two above are clearly better.  For the money, the new SSDM is probably the best one in the bunch.  Here is a spec table with a few scopes of this general configuration. 



SWFA SS 1-4x24 SFP

Leather-wood CMR 1-4x24

Leather-wood CMR4 1-4x24

Leupold VX-R Patrol 1.25-4x20

Optisan CX6 1-6x24

Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24

Burris Fullfield II Tac 30 1-4x24

Length, in

10.2

10.2

10.2

9.4

10.7

9.7

11.3

Weight, oz

14.1

16.5

17.1

11.5


16

17

Main Tube Diameter

30mm

30mm

30mm

30mm

30mm

30mm

30mm

Eye Relief, in

5.0 - 3.1

3.1

3

4.1 - 3.7

3.5

4

4 - 3.5

FOV, ft@1000yards

99.9 - 24.8

94.8 - 26.2

94.8 - 26.2

75 - 29

120 - 20

98 - 27.5

100 - 30.2

Reticle

Mil-Quad DM

CMR

CMR4 or AK

FireDot SPR

MS3

TMCQ

Ballistic CQ 5.56

Illumination

Yes (Dot and Diamond)

Yes (dot and horse shoe)

Yes (dot and horse shoe)

Yes with motion sensor

Yes

Yes

Yes

Turrets

Exposed, 0.1 mrad

Exposed, ½ MOA, Zero Stop

Covered, 0.1 mrad

Exposed, 0.1 mrad

Covered

½ MOA

½ MOA

Covered, ½ MOA

Price

$400

$330

$450

$599

$599

$500

$300



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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: November/24/2014 at 12:54
This is kinda relevant to this thread -
 
http://swfa.com/blackfriday2014/ - http://swfa.com/blackfriday2014/
Big Grin


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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: November/25/2014 at 16:10
Originally posted by photek photek wrote:

If you guys have a chance to field questions I definitely have some.  I apologize if these questions are answered elsewhere, I didn't seem to find them if they were.  

For SWFA:

1)  Is there going to be a version of this scope available in MOA instead of MIL ? At this time there are no plans for this.
2)  Is there going to be a version of this scope with capped turrets ? At this time there are no plans for this.
3)  Is the illumination on the scope considered "daylight" view-able ? Yes, in anything, but the brightest light.  I tried it on a bright sunny day and on an overcast day.  On an overcast day it really stands out well.  The reticle, however, is quite fast even without illumination.
4)  What are the major differences in the SWFA SS HD 1-4x and this scope that warrant the significant price difference? (Clarity, Illumination, Ability to resist damage, etc.)
The main difference between this scope and the SWFA SS HD 1-4x24 Tactical 30mm Riflescope, which dictates the price difference, is the glass and the FFP optical system in the HD costs significantly more to manufacture.


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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: November/25/2014 at 16:11
Originally posted by Cold Trigger Finger Cold Trigger Finger wrote:

What is the reticle construction? Wire hung or etched?
The reticle is etched.

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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: November/25/2014 at 16:12
Originally posted by jjrgr21 jjrgr21 wrote:

Are there any plans for this reticle in other scopes?
Not immediately but we have talked about it.

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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: November/25/2014 at 16:14
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

This is kinda relevant to this thread -
 
http://swfa.com/blackfriday2014/ - http://swfa.com/blackfriday2014/
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/25/2014 at 18:02
Originally posted by Chris Farris II Chris Farris II wrote:

Originally posted by jjrgr21 jjrgr21 wrote:

Are there any plans for this reticle in other scopes?
Not immediately but we have talked about it.

I have some ideas on that....


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Posted By: 338LAPUASLAP
Date Posted: November/25/2014 at 18:40
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Posted By: Cold Trigger Finger
Date Posted: November/26/2014 at 04:10
Has the mounting length been written/ discussed any where?
Thanks.
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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: November/26/2014 at 08:02
well i think it would be a home run in the 3-9/3-15


Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: November/26/2014 at 13:35
The 1-4 tactical length is 10.2" where the 1-4 HD length is 10.3" Not much difference.
All the specs  for the 1-4 Tactical are listed on the Riflescopes.com SS  Tactical scopes page.
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-1-4x24-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P78365.aspx - http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-1-4x24-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P78365.aspx


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Posted By: recce556
Date Posted: November/27/2014 at 04:18
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

The turrets are of a low profile exposed design, but honestly, on scopes of this type I do not use the turrets much.

Originally posted by photek (as in Form & Function? If so, very cool.) photek (as in Form & Function? If so, very cool.) wrote:

2)  Is there going to be a version of this scope with capped turrets ?

I think SWFA should seriously consider a capped (or locked) turret version. I agree 100% with Ilya when he says that on this type of scope, you wouldn't use the turrets much. This is why the Short Dot Gen.2 (which I think a lot of people would consider the a pretty good standard for 1-4x CQB optics) comes with locking turrets. The SpecterDR has a lockable elevation knob (and the windage knob would be very hard to turn accidentally). The Swaro 1-6x come with capped knobs. Even Vortex made a capped knob version of their 1-4x (the "HS" if I remember correctly).

I think unintentional "adjustments" are more of an issue than the need for "quick" adjustment on a scope of this type....another case of "looking" tactical rather than exercising thoughtful design (like those god-awful cheap "red dots" that have picatinny rails all over it...so you can put a smaller RDS on your RDS...Xzibit loves it.)

Otherwise, it looks a very good scope for the money...capped/locking knobs would make much better.




Posted By: Sit-Rep
Date Posted: November/28/2014 at 03:12
Long time forum lurker, and I just picked this scope up.  For me it was too good of a deal to pass up.  I have done some reviews on other gun sites, and will post one up as soon as I get this bad boy mounted and out to the range.  Looks AWESOME.

Next purchase is a 6x42 for my PTR-91....


Posted By: MP44
Date Posted: November/28/2014 at 04:46
Where is it manufactured?


Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: November/28/2014 at 04:59
Welcome to the OT Sit-Rep,looking forward to your review!

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Posted By: Mincer
Date Posted: November/28/2014 at 12:37
Bought mine at midnight... like a geek. 
Can't wait for it to get here!
I wish I had a good reason to buy some of the other Black Friday deals... those 10X42's with rings and a level for under $260 are looking pretty tasty.  I'll post as soon as I get this optic, get it mounted and get out to the range.




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Posted By: Sit-Rep
Date Posted: November/28/2014 at 13:25
Same here.  

I'm not new to the optics game, I've used Acogs, have multiple other scopes, but this is only my 2nd low powered 1x style scope.  If I like this one, I think I might throw it on my Beater rifle, and get a SWFA 1-4x FFP for my other rifle.  I'm debating a 6x42 Super Sniper for my PTR-91.  I think it would be a great addition.


Posted By: robotizing
Date Posted: November/29/2014 at 16:45
I want to get one of these for my rifle that has a standard weaver mount. Will low swfa super sniper rings clear the scope completely or will the adjustments of the scope hit the weaver base ? Should I purchase medium rings instead ??? Thank you very much in advance.


Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: November/29/2014 at 17:18
depends on rifle and height of rail. on a bolt gun, lows should work. on an AR you'll need AR height, which is around 1.5". SWFA has there SALT mount on stupid sale right now.


Posted By: robotizing
Date Posted: November/29/2014 at 18:34
It is a standard weaver mount made for the ak platform. It is ma manufactured by Midwest industries. What I'm afraid is the adjustment for zoom on the scope will make the scope not fit with low rings...


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/29/2014 at 18:46
so get a SSALT for $29.95 (similar to a Burris PEPR)

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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: November/29/2014 at 19:26
i'd get the SALT mount, for $30. even if you can't use it for your AK, you can run it on an AR


Posted By: Mincer
Date Posted: November/29/2014 at 20:38
Are these in stock & shipping yet?


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/29/2014 at 21:20
good possibility the first shipment might be sold out. (went on sale 11/28 12:01am CST).
 
 
ORDER NOW it should tell you if your backordered.   I think...


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: November/29/2014 at 21:21
Sorry and yes I'm told in stock and currently shipping...


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Posted By: david stroud
Date Posted: November/30/2014 at 08:33
Just a quickie review from one trip to range.
Nice scope glass is nice and clear scope build seems solid and really like a couple of the features like storage for extra battery and the fact it comes with 3 different throw levers. Clicks were very positive and adjustments seemed accurate and I don feel like I will have any trouble with turrets moving unintentionally.
I shot one on a Blackout and another on a .223 and took both to two hundred yards and the reticle did not match but I expected that and I think it will be very close with my 3 gun load once I try it. I did notice eye relief was a tad shorter compared to most scopes I mount. I had to move the scope back well past the charging handle for my buddy to get a full clear view. Compared to my Vortex Razor 1-6 it was maybe an inch and half further back?
My friend used the .223 with the SS 1-4 to shot a hog last night between the eyes at about 50 yards with the illumination on 3.
As Koskin mentioned above the illumination is not daylight bright at all but works fine in lower light conditions.
Scope is lightweight and is a perfect fit for lightweight AR's
I am satisfied with mine and my buddy who had a Bushnell AR model on his is way happier as his reticle was very thick and covered too much target.


Posted By: CD0311
Date Posted: November/30/2014 at 12:50
As soon as the capped version is released I'm in! I was saving for a meopta or nxs but this might be perfect for what I want.


Posted By: JJTX
Date Posted: November/30/2014 at 14:08

I have one of these mounts now.  What should I be torquing the scope screws at in inch pounds?


JJTX


Posted By: JJTX
Date Posted: November/30/2014 at 14:10
I meant the SSALT mount.  Forum wont let me edit it.



Posted By: recce556
Date Posted: November/30/2014 at 17:18
Originally posted by david stroud david stroud wrote:

...I don feel like I will have any trouble with turrets moving unintentionally.
Were you shooting it on a bench or on a sling with gear on?


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: November/30/2014 at 19:43
Originally posted by JJTX JJTX wrote:


I have one of these mounts now.  What should I be torquing the scope screws at in inch pounds?


JJTX


From the rings and bases section.

SWFA SSALT
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=18199&PN=2 - http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=18199&PN=2
(As per Chris Farris II's post, second page, first post)
base to rail: 40in/lbs
ring halves: 18 in/lbs


Posted By: JJTX
Date Posted: November/30/2014 at 19:47
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Originally posted by JJTX JJTX wrote:


I have one of these mounts now.  What should I be torquing the scope screws at in inch pounds?


JJTX


From the rings and bases section.

SWFA SSALT
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=18199&PN=2 - http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=18199&PN=2
(As per Chris Farris II's post, second page, first post)
base to rail: 40in/lbs
ring halves: 18 in/lbs

Awesome.  Well, my inch pound wrench starts at 20, so It will have to be 20 then back off slightly.


Posted By: Leonidimus
Date Posted: November/30/2014 at 22:44
Does anyone else think it's a serious issue with this scope:
Eye Relief (in): 5.0 - 3.1

For starters 5" seems too long - the scope will be too forward on an AR15 - looks ugly and moves center of mass forward. Also imagine you set everything perfectly for 1x for CQB and when you need to do a headshot at 200m at 4x, all of a sudden the sweet spot moved 2 inches and you're uncomfortable.


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/30/2014 at 23:14
When I used it, I set it up at 4x and had no problem using it across the magnification range without readjusting anything.

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Posted By: Mincer
Date Posted: December/01/2014 at 08:55
I purchased mine at Midnight on Black Friday (the order is timestamped 11/28/2014 12:02 AM) and when I go to my account and look up the Order Status it still shows "Needs Scanning."
I know that SWFA is a Brick and Mortar retail store as well as a web store and I'm sure they've been extremely busy with the holiday sale... I'm just excited about putting this on my AR.

Anybody else order on Black Friday?  Has your item shipped?
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Posted By: Cactus Chip
Date Posted: December/01/2014 at 09:52
I picked up one of these scopes Friday from SWFA to replace an Optisan that I use for 3 gun and hopefully a little night hunting. I have mounted it in a spare BOBRO mount that I have but have not sighted it in yet. This scope seems very easy to get behind and the changing eye relief seems to be a non-issue. The IR is night useable which is important to me and the glass allowed enough light transmision for me to clearly see our cows and horses last night at 100-150 yards.

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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: December/01/2014 at 10:14
i ordered mine @730 cst on friday, mine says "needs scanning" too. i'm sure they are wicked busy, give them a couple days. i'm sure we'll start seeing them buy the end of the week or so.


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: December/01/2014 at 10:29
wicked busy is an understatement.... WOW!

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: December/01/2014 at 10:45
I ordered mine the 29th and as long as its here before Xmas I'm happy....

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Posted By: Mytus
Date Posted: December/01/2014 at 18:32
So I was late to the party (...but not my first SS(6x and 10xM); I've been waiting on a 1-4 SS that was realistic to my wallet), but ordered today @ 1130 EST. This afternoon I get an email saying my order is backordered. Anyone else get one of these emails? I wonder what the delay will be...hope the fat guy in the red suit doesn't come empty handed as this will be my Christmas present...hopefully the wait won't be too long.

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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: December/01/2014 at 19:39
i doubt it will be back ordered long


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: December/01/2014 at 20:25

I believe the initial order is all that's came through customs yet if I understood CFII correctly.  More in process but that's hearsay



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Posted By: david stroud
Date Posted: December/01/2014 at 23:02
Originally posted by recce556 recce556 wrote:

Originally posted by david stroud david stroud wrote:

...I don feel like I will have any trouble with turrets moving unintentionally.
Were you shooting it on a bench or on a sling with gear on?


Shot it from a bench then carried in a soft case taking it in and out for about three hours of cruising looking for pigs.


Posted By: Mincer
Date Posted: December/02/2014 at 08:49
My Black Friday purchased SS 1-4x shipped yesterday. Tracking data says it will be here tomorrow (Wed. Dec 3, 2014).  New Aero Precision Ultralight scope mount is sitting on top of my AR, and we are counting the seconds until the UPS man shows up.
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Posted By: siegrisj
Date Posted: December/02/2014 at 10:38
Any eta on the next batch coming through?

And can somebody post some through the scope pix pretty please? Big Grin


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: December/02/2014 at 11:25
Here is a snapshot.
Keep in mind, that the snapshot is only to show what he reticle looks like.  You absolutely cannot make any conclusions about the image quality of the scopes with these pictures.



The house that the reticle is pointing at is just over a mile away.  I was looking at a bunch of scopes on tripods off of the upper deck of my house and snapped the picture with a cellphone.

I had quite a few scopes to look at that day.


Here is a snapshot through the March 1-8x24FFP at 4x.


Here is a snapshot through the Nikon Monarch 1.5-6x42 at 4x:



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Posted By: Christopher67
Date Posted: December/02/2014 at 11:28
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Here is a snapshot.
Keep in mind, that the snapshot is only to show what he reticle looks like.  You absolutely cannot make any conclusions about the image quality of the scopes with these pictures.



The house that the reticle is pointing at is just over a mile away.  I was looking at a bunch of scopes on tripods off of the upper deck of my house and snapped the picture with a cellphone.

I had quite a few scopes to look at that day.


Here is a snapshot through the March 1-8x24FFP at 4x.


Here is a snapshot through the Nikon Monarch 1.5-6x42 at 4x:




Awesome, thanks for this post!


Posted By: siegrisj
Date Posted: December/02/2014 at 11:32
Awesome thank you! I just wanted to get a look at the reticle compared to the tiny hash lines of the vortex 1-4


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: December/02/2014 at 11:35
You are welcome.  Having played with the scope briefly, I liked the reticle enough to ask SWFA to send me a full production version.  I will do a thorough test on it, but so far, this is my favourite reticle in for a scope of this type in the sub-$500 range.

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Posted By: Browncoat
Date Posted: December/02/2014 at 16:54
wish there was a way to know if we got in on the initial shipment or if we are waiting for backorder.   Do they send out notifications to those waiting on back order?

ordered Nov 29 730 am.
order status says: ready to inoice


Posted By: siegrisj
Date Posted: December/02/2014 at 17:00
I ordered mine yesterday and got a back order email this morning. FWIW

Hence my question earlier about an ETA on the next batch


Posted By: Deckard
Date Posted: December/03/2014 at 14:17
Originally posted by recce556 recce556 wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

The turrets are of a low profile exposed design, but honestly, on scopes of this type I do not use the turrets much.

Originally posted by photek (as in Form & Function? If so, very cool.) photek (as in Form & Function? If so, very cool.) wrote:

2)  Is there going to be a version of this scope with capped turrets ?

I think SWFA should seriously consider a capped (or locked) turret version. I agree 100% with Ilya when he says that on this type of scope, you wouldn't use the turrets much. This is why the Short Dot Gen.2 (which I think a lot of people would consider the a pretty good standard for 1-4x CQB optics) comes with locking turrets. The SpecterDR has a lockable elevation knob (and the windage knob would be very hard to turn accidentally). The Swaro 1-6x come with capped knobs. Even Vortex made a capped knob version of their 1-4x (the "HS" if I remember correctly).

I think unintentional "adjustments" are more of an issue than the need for "quick" adjustment on a scope of this type....another case of "looking" tactical rather than exercising thoughtful design (like those god-awful cheap "red dots" that have picatinny rails all over it...so you can put a smaller RDS on your RDS...Xzibit loves it.)

Otherwise, it looks a very good scope for the money...capped/locking knobs would make much better.




This.  I want higher quality optic than PA's 1-6x and tough.  An uncapped 1-4x just seems so counter intuitive.  I just need something to see better and make fast accurate shots at distance. 


Posted By: Mincer
Date Posted: December/03/2014 at 16:27
Got mine today.  I mounted it and looked through the optic a bit (no range time yet). The glass is bright and clear. Turrets have nice tactile feedback (bright audible "Click!" as well). I don't think that the turrets would move on their own toting around in a shooters bag, but they certainly have a much lighter touch than my Vortex PST turrets.

The reticle took me a tiny bit of getting used to. Initially I thought the markings were smaller and more difficult to read than I expected, however after a diopter adjustment and a few minutes looking through the scope I could appreciate the detail much better.  The ranging markings are amazing (this is my first ranging reticle) and I hope to take it out with my laser rangefinder and make some comparisons.  The 1x setting is spot on-  true 1x with no difficulty keeping both eyes open. I'll have more to report after taking it to the range.  In the meantime, some cheesecake photos:SWFA SS 1-4x24IR a
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Posted By: Deckard
Date Posted: December/03/2014 at 17:03
Originally posted by Mincer Mincer wrote:

I don't think that the turrets would move on their own toting around in a shooters bag, but they certainly have a much lighter touch than my Vortex PST turrets.


Hope not, but my main concern is carrying it around on a sling having the turrets rub up against gear and my body.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: December/03/2014 at 17:06
Deckard, look at the Trijicon Accupoint 1-4x.  It has excellent glass, is very tough and has awesome reticles. 

The SS 1-4x HDs are available with covered turrets as does the 1-6x. 


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Posted By: Deckard
Date Posted: December/03/2014 at 17:17
For several hundred dollars more I'd hope they would be tougher.  I was just hoping to get similar features at a lower price point.  Even just one feature and I would have been sold.  But the world doesn't revolve around me.


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: December/03/2014 at 18:33
I concur with Mincer. Glass is quite nice and clicks are tactile with audible click. I like it and the SWFA Bobro is a great compliment to it.

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: December/03/2014 at 18:55
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I concur with Mincer. Glass is quite nice and clicks are tactile with audible click. I like it and the SWFA Bobro is a great compliment to it.

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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: December/03/2014 at 19:13
Not sure what i am putting it on. I just had it up next to my M7 .260 Rem with my old 3-9 x 40 Monarch UCC. I like the glass on the Nikon but the reticle doesn't cut it in low light in the deep woods. This latest SS is light and the illuminated reticle is really nice. The scope is trim and really compliments the little M7. I think some Talley permanent 30 mm rings are getting ordered soon. This little scope is light and should be a dandy for my hunting.

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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: December/03/2014 at 19:16
Besides, my 6920 is pretty much my point and shoot gun. I like your idea about Aimpoint for that.


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Posted By: bulletslap
Date Posted: December/04/2014 at 09:47
Mine arrived yesterday and I have not had time to mount it.
 
I have little to add other than to agree with the above and say it looks like a quality product.
 
It was packed very well and I received it quickly.
 
Mine is initially going on a Ruger M77 Compact, and after zeroing I may tape up the turrets to prevent unplanned movement. 


Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: December/04/2014 at 14:04
just got mine, looks great, turrets are much better than the classic scopes. illumination is perfect, reticle looks great too, except for the big ass black spec in the glass. SWFA said i'd have to wait till march for a replacement. i know sh*t happens, but this is my second SS with a black spec.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: December/04/2014 at 14:36
Smack it on a phone book.  That might knock the spec off. 


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Posted By: Cope6.5/284
Date Posted: December/04/2014 at 14:40
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Smack it on a phone book.  That might knock the spec off. 
This actually does work. I did it a few years ago on one of my scopes and never have seen the spec again. From my understanding it sticks to the scope tube and doesn't usually resurface.

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: December/04/2014 at 14:46
That's what I'd do,  I imagine SWFA would still warranty it if that didn't work too.  don't be gentle smack that thing and see if that helps.

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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: December/04/2014 at 15:15
well i've never treated a scope like that. but a few good wacks, and i can't see it, so it ain't there.

thanks, sh*theads. i just hope i didn't mess it up.



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