Old Cameras
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Topic: Old Cameras
Posted By: Son of Ed
Subject: Old Cameras
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 11:09
" If it's OLD, Eduardo knows something about it. "
I have two of these Zeiss Ikon Contaflex-es from ( naturally ) the sixties---the Super B....about 1965 and one from 1964. I took these cameras all over from 1995 till about 2006 and took a million pictures with them...until I got another oldie that was more modern...
I have two 50mm f2.8 normal lenses, a 35mm f4 and a 115 f4 and a very rare 50mm 1:1 lens ( mint in leather pouch )
...and a set of close up lenses ( Proxars ) in a plastic case...various filters and a Contaflex Polarizer that is no good.
It is kind of a slow camera to work but it is fine for landscapes and leisurely photography.
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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 11:12
Nice.
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 11:33
WAY cool, Eduardo!!!
Those are actually worth a lot of money as collectors items!
Zeiss photography stuff is as spectacular today as it was back then. I have 2 Zeiss lenses I use with my Nikon Camera, the Distagon 25mm f/2 and the Makro-Planar 100mm F/2. They are both manual focus only lenses, but they're a joy to use and produce spectacular image quality.
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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 11:37
Thats cool Ed.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 12:33
I also have a rare BLACK Olympus 35SP rangefinder ( meter not working---OR I need to try the correct voltage battery---a Wein battery to replace the obsolete mercury batteries from the old days...)....
42mm permanently attached lens...superb. This camera is a cult classic.
I have a rare Olympus PS 100 G flash unit for it from the early seventies...
I've got the original leather case....
It's cool. I found it in a pawn shop in Amarillo in 1995.
INFORMATION
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 16:30
Cool toys, Ed!
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Posted By: DCAMM94
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 17:48
My dad bought two Nikkor 35mms when he was stationed at Clark. I can't imagine what those old original nikons are worth. The best I have is an old Nikon FA, which was one step below the Nikon F3 that all the pros used back in the '80s. The FA is still a nice camera -- and it was for an amateur in high school as well. It cost me all of my summer money in 1988 that I made from working odd jobs.
Those are cool, Ed.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 18:28
I had a Nikon FE in 1981. But I sold it in 1984. ( stupid...)
In 1987 I bought a Nikon N4004---the first generation of autofocus cameras. That was a good camera, but I had to get used to the camera wanting to focus on stuff without my permission.
Autofocus is great once your eyes begin to get unreliable. I still like the old cameras that allow you to control all the...controls! These new digital cameras drive me crazy with their slow-ass shutters! ( I thought the old, original electronic shutters were bad enough, but the new digitals only fire when they're damn good and ready---and you've missed the shot by then!!! )
Nothing like a mechanical camera. And, of course, rangefinders just go off with a little snick. Exactly when you want it to!
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 18:37
I do like the new digital stuff....the images are astounding....no film....a million shots....instant take-a-look, etc....maybe a more expensive camera will go off when you press the shutter!
I love the old cameras, but film is .....a dinosaur now. You get a snapshot in your hand! And you gotta pay for all the crappy shots!
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 19:02
Son of Ed wrote:
These new digital cameras drive me crazy with their slow-ass shutters! ( I thought the old, original electronic shutters were bad enough, but the new digitals only fire when they're damn good and ready---and you've missed the shot by then!!! ) |
That's no longer the case. Times change. Today's digital SLRs can fire up to 10 frames per second or more, with instantaneous reaction time. Even many point & shoot digitals no longer have the lag any more. In fact, there's virtually nothing that the film cameras of old could do that digital cameras today can't. You can shoot completely manual, with all the same controls as your old film cameras.
You don't still listen to 8 track tapes, do you, Ed?
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 19:17
Well, my little digital is a 2008 model ( a Canon SureShot )...and that shutter really burns me up. I'm happy to know that the new shutters now go off immediately. I know that the digital DSLR cameras function like the old guys did....but, they are freaking expensive.
My daughter has a Canon Rebel or something. She can shoot like a machine gun.
I do not have 8 track tapes!! I have TRANSISTOR radios with KNOBS on them so I can turn them with my fingers!!!! I can't operate radios with little buttons on them the size of fleas!!!
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Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 21:34
Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: April/22/2014 at 22:00
Those are cool!! Now that the whole world has gone digital, you can now find the cameras that you've always wanted--- cheap! ...sometimes.
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Posted By: Skylar McMahon
Date Posted: June/05/2014 at 09:17
Not old, but along the same style lines Ed.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: June/05/2014 at 15:46
Yes! Neato!
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: June/05/2014 at 23:22
I have a Praktica BX20 35mm made by Praktica ( Carl Zeiss Jena ) in East Germany. A neat camera made from 1987 to 1990. They weren't sold in America. I bought mine from some guy in Britain on ebay.
Very similar to a Nikon FE.
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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: June/06/2014 at 01:25
Eduardo in his young days....(when the earth was still flat)
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: June/06/2014 at 01:49
" It's not flat anymore?!! "
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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/06/2014 at 20:48
One of my all time favorite cameras is the Yashikamat 124G it uses 120 and 220 roll film and I have prints up to 40x60 from it that are sharp as a tack.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: June/06/2014 at 21:01
Cool!
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Posted By: daveco
Date Posted: February/06/2015 at 17:46
I wish I had my dad's Argus C-3 rangefinder, but at least my sister has it. I do have a 1948 35mm Leica rangefinder M lens that I use. I also have a russian brand film rangefinder camera that I bought from a russian on ebay. The shutter worked three times before it broke.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/06/2015 at 18:15
I had an Argus C3 ( with light meter ), but my littlest daughter (!!) has it now!! In her museum! ( We call her Willie Sutton! )
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/06/2015 at 18:17
I bought it for $20 in Meade, Kansas....in 1995
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/06/2015 at 18:21
( When I die, my daughter will mysteriously have a pile of firearms in her house!! )
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Posted By: daveco
Date Posted: February/06/2015 at 23:02
Nice, Ed! I like that shoe mount light meter. Dad had a small handheld. He had the flash buib gun, too, that mounted on the side of the camera. As a kid, I used to play with the light meter and camera, without film.
Here's that 1948 lens.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/12/2015 at 04:54
I am an ebay junkie. 35mm cameras have gotten even cheaper recently. The Good Stuff is still expensive ( like the Nikon F2As and the Zeiss Contarex-es ...and the old Voigtlander Prominents ) , but lots of goodies are going dirt cheap. I see Nikon N80s in mint condition for, like, $59 and up!!
I see a couple of Russian knock-off Contax rangefinders on ebay this week. Counterfeit ones... I always wanted to get one of those fake Contax rangefinders....but, I understand they are of variable quality depending on when they were made.
Here's a little counterfeit!!
$110 plus $28 shipping from the Ukraine!
A few years ago I bought a nice Gossen Luna Pro light meter from somebody for $ ONE DOLLAR!!! [ plus ten dollars postage... ]
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/21/2015 at 12:39
I'm waiting for this to come in from an ebay purchase....
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/22/2015 at 16:33
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 13:43
I noticed all my old Zeiss Ikon camera photos have disappeared from page one....
This was the Contaflex Super B....I have two of them and several lenses and some old accesories----27mm filters, 27mm polarizer, etc..
My daughter, Meghan, now has my Olympus 35 SP.....
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/22/2019 at 17:20
Remember loading film when the black bear was standing up in Yellowstone Park? And you missed the shot?
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/22/2019 at 17:22
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/22/2019 at 17:35
Recently I gave Meghan the Olympus camera and all the goodies including bunches of cans of film.....
.....so now I just have Museum cameras....
" Eduardo belongs in a Museum..."
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/22/2019 at 18:03
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Posted By: Convex
Date Posted: December/23/2022 at 08:05
I'm fascinated by German engineering via legacy guns, but
also the photographing of those guns when I get the chance, w/legacy cameras
that in themselves were masterpieces of German engineering.
So when it comes to a "little jewel" that refers
to an amazing camera, I sometimes photograph some of my guns w/a camera that in
itself is an amazing instrument produced by one of the greatest of all camera makers,
like the Voitlander Vito IIa.
Voigtlander was a German cameramaker that lasted 200 yrs.,
eventually going out of business because they refused to produce the mediocre
to save or to make money.
They were the "Ronin" of cameramakers, and their
least expensive cameras were produced w/as much innovation/attention to
detail/precision/fit and finish-build quality, as their most expensive
cameras.
They only made cameras one way, regardless of price. After going out of business, another company
produced good but not great cameras under the Voigtlander name.
I have the Vito IIa which is also a "little jewel"
and pure genius in terms of innovation/attention to detail/precison in a camera
that was intended for the mass consumer of the day for a reasonable price.
It's not a digital "Wunderkind" like some of my
digital cameras, but the masterful engineering that went into this camera is no
less amazing.
Art Deco was a way of thinking that was implemented by
engineers in terms of flowing lines/strealining to compliment function which in
the case of this camera was to make it so you could slip it into your pocket
w/o snags.
How that was accomplished was the absolute genius of this
camera. The lens is inside the camera,
you push a button, and the lens does a sort of a "dance" where it
pivots laterally an an angle to get out of the camera and then locks in place
which plano-parallel to the film plane keeping the image in perfect register.
The film rewind knob is spring loaded to where the knob is
pushed inside/retracts into the camera becoming/changing it's function to that
of a button to be pushed when you need to rewind film.
Here it is extended, when the film is rewound, and the knob is pushed back in, it's flush against the camera body as you see on the right side the camera via the topmost image.
Below is the film advance lever which is flush against the rear of the camera.
The film advance lever/arm starts the rewind cycle inside
the camera and only extends at the end of the cycle when you're advancing film
which of course is when the camera is out of your pocket.
Most incredible of all, looking at the door which supports
the lens, at the back is the shutter release, which rises as the door opens to
reach its full height to be used for snapping exposures, then it retracts
inside the door, as you close the door, and all this is done mechanically.
The camera isn't touching the box it's sitting on, there are
3 spikes extending from the bottom of the camera protecting the actual camera
from the wear and tear of sitting the camera on anything.
If you want to know good the lens is, I took this shot,
w/this camera. I 6-8 shots bracketing
both the focus and exposure and developed the film. I selected this particular frame, developed
it, and digitally scanned in a file, which is the image of this 44 magnum.
German engineering has been both pervasive and an inspiration
to anyone interested in making things as well as they can be made, and made
w/style.
Don't let me dis the fact that there are other outfits out
there that make primo stuff; one of my favorite legacy pieces is my Tag Huer
stopwatch which works perfectly to this day, and will probably work like a
charm for my great-great-great-Grandson.
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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: December/23/2022 at 08:25
Beautiful piece of engineering.
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Posted By: Convex
Date Posted: December/23/2022 at 08:41
And this was their "entry level" camera which was as well made as their most expensive cameras for their lowest price!!!
They went out of business KNOWING they wouldn't last producing the kind of value for the money they were getting.
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Posted By: Convex
Date Posted: December/23/2022 at 08:49
The camera isn't much bigger than a pack of cigarettes which makes the lens tiny, so they incorporated depressions in the lens shade so you can adjust focus that way, by grasping/turning the lens shade.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/23/2022 at 16:49
In 1971 my uncle gave me his "old" camera ( a Voigtlander Prominent) because he bought a new Japanese camera (A Mamiya). Anyway that was the camera that I learned how to work. It had an f 2.0 Ultron lens. Years later I bought two more at a pawnshop....one of them had a 1.5 lens!
30 YEARS LATER I sold the 1.5 lens for $150 bucks.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/23/2022 at 17:35
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Posted By: Convex
Date Posted: December/23/2022 at 17:49
My compliments. A great looking camera.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/24/2022 at 09:41
Well I don't have them anymore....its a long story. I loaned one of them to my buddy to take offshore in the Gulf of Mexico on a drilling rig and he brought it back with the shutter jammed......Gee, thanks....
Anyway they're just Collector's Items now....
My daughter has got ALL of my 35mm stuff now....
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/28/2022 at 09:31
I have now joined the Human Race and got myself a digital camera back in 2019 (I almost wrote 1919...) A Nikon D3500 entry level (IE: affordable) DSLR...
Meghan has got the $3000 Canon and Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses....
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/28/2022 at 09:36
If I was a millionaire I would buy some old Zeiss Ikon Contarex's....I understand they had the best lenses on Earth prior to computer designed lenses.....
...the lenses that Hasselblad used....
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Posted By: Convex
Date Posted: December/29/2022 at 09:18
I have modern digital cameras, also film cameras like the Vito IIa, also twin lens cameras along w/view cameras and so forth.
A few of my older film cameras will have uncoated lenses, but most have single coated lenses which will w/care come close to producing the imagery possible from the recent multicoated wonders of today.
There is a bigger difference between the uncoated lenses than there is between the single coated lenses vs the multicoated lenses being produced today assuming a similar format.
Some of the older single coated lenses have a wonderful patina and nuance they give to an image and I have the adapters to use some of my older lenses on my digital bodies and/or using my film cameras w/digital backs to come up images I've come up with that I believe many folks will appreciate.
I had a long drawn out debate w/an individual years ago who I thought was rigid regarding his attitude about gear where he would only consider the "latest and the greatest" because all he thought about was numbers and line pairs per millimeter.
We had a get together of several photographers where I laid out about 30 images/prints where I asked him to tell me what camera/lens took what shot, and which image was taken by an older lens and whether it was uncoated/single coated/multicoated.
I had notations on the back of the prints so he could turn over the print after he guessed so he could see what took what shot. The guy didn't guess right once.
I think the difference in skill and how careful you are is a bigger difference in how your images turn out than the difference between the gear you use and I've seen some tremendous images from folks who were using so-called "entry level gear".
Hell, I've seen some VERY NICE SHOTS from cell phones versus some totally lousy shots from 5-10 grand cameras bought by folks who thought the cameras would produce great shots because they didn't want to do the work.
My point is that many have a misconception of what old gear can do, the attitude of some folks is to dismiss older gear as having little value.
When I was out shooting w/one of my older cameras, no one would pay any attention to me, and I could shoot in peace, as opposed to attracting a crowd when I went out w/one of my newer cameras w/a very expensive Carl Zeiss lens, and this always amused me, because whether I or not I came up w/good shots had little to do with the gear I was using, although there were a few exceptions.
I'm not going to say what I used to get this shot because if a shot has value, the shot itself is the point and not what produced it, whether it was from modern gear, a twin lens camera, or a cell phone.
Intangibles come into play, your ideas, how you size up a shot, which has more to do with this shot than what I used to produce it.
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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: December/29/2022 at 10:14
Proves the old axiom, it’s the craftsman not the tools.
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Posted By: Convex
Date Posted: December/29/2022 at 11:33
You said it BETTER than I did.
There are several of my cameras (from different eras) capable of this shot and this is a low rez image but the point is forget the absolute limits, in terms of contrast/resolution many old cameras can produce a crisp image/handle an image like this.
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Posted By: Convex
Date Posted: January/01/2023 at 21:20
I have a single coated lens that I mount via an adaptor on one of my digital cameras because this combination tends to see things made out of metal as sculpture as opposed to using one of my supersharp/multicoated lenses which can at times portray things made out of metal as "cold and sterile".
Sometimes I'll use a white background for a particular background for a particular subject matter for no other reason than I've gotten sick of using grey or black seamless.
When it comes to older cameras and lenses, I'll say it again, some folks have blinded themselves as to what these tools can do, which at times is to provide a texture and nuance that the newer lenses can't.
in this case the sculpture is provided by the Aimpoint H2, backed up by a Eotech 3X magnifier.
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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: January/02/2023 at 06:26
It certainly works beautifully. High resolution is not the be all end all for sure, although here the resolution is excellent.
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Posted By: Convex
Date Posted: January/02/2023 at 09:17
Exactly.
You ask an optic to perform/convey a certain effect, if it works, that's all that matters.
A photograph isn't a painting, and you can't duplicate every speck of detail w/a paint brush of the subject matter of a portrait like you can with a sharp lens, and yet a painting can convey something beautiful, w/the idea of resolution having nothing to do with it.
The values, textures, and nuance of an older lens were used by folks to come up w/some beautiful images/incredible images long before the advent of the modern computer designed multicoated lenses so they remain valuable tools even today.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/02/2023 at 10:47
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/02/2023 at 10:48
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/02/2023 at 10:50
"Eduardo is very nuanced....."
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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: January/02/2023 at 11:42
So are you saying you’re something of a tool Ed?? (value to be appraised).
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Posted By: Convex
Date Posted: January/07/2023 at 20:34
"The Wrong End of Reptile"
This shotgun started life as a Remington 870 Police pump and as pictured here, it has a barrel length Mesa Tactical rail plus 8 rd. sidesaddle, and so when I got this build back from the "Smith", I asked my daughter what the gun looked like to her figuring that I'd call the gun the first thing that came out of her mouth.
She said the gun looked like a lizard, so the name of this gun is "Reptile".....
The shot was taken with a "mid level" digital camera w/an old muti-coated lens that has Macro capability, but that's not the only reason I chose it to do this shot. This lens gives a very luminous and metallic quality to subject matter.
The muzzle is almost touching the front glass of this lens.
The idea of the shot is you wouldn't want to break in a house and end up looking at the wrong end of this.
You hear a lot of talk about many rounds a particular shot gun holds, but I figure anybody looking at the wrong end of this is just thinking about ONE.
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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: January/07/2023 at 21:19
1 load of 00 should do it. Should make the bad guys rethink their life choices.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/23/2023 at 22:30
I always wanted a Nikon F2AS....
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Date Posted: January/23/2023 at 22:33
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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: January/24/2023 at 05:46
Very nice. I have an Asahi Spotmatic F with more lenses than I needed. Bought back in 1970, still in great condition gathering dust. None of my kids want it, seems a shame to waste such nice technology.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/27/2023 at 19:43
My last 35mm camera was this fantastic East German Praktica....Meghan has it now with all the lenses and goodies....including a gorgeous leather camera bag which, by itself, is probably worth $200.....
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/27/2023 at 19:46
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/28/2023 at 14:07
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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: January/28/2023 at 14:10
Very nice Ed.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/29/2023 at 01:46
In my opinion the Praktica BX 20 was simply an East German Nikon FE....I liked it! It worked good. and looked good! It still works today....in Meghan's Museum....!
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/29/2023 at 01:48
I even had a Praktica flash unit for it....but Meghan borrowed it and LOST it about ten years ago so that is not in her museum now....
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/29/2023 at 01:53
All those old cameras need to be in a glass cabinet so they can be on display and not get all dusty like my old Underwood typewriter gets....
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/29/2023 at 01:55
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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: January/29/2023 at 06:35
I had an Underwood in high school but a little more modern (and a lot smaller), than yours. Apparently it is considered “vintage”, just like me!
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/29/2023 at 08:35
Yes mine is a No. 3 from 1919....it must weigh 25 lbs!
I can get it reconditioned in Austin for $100....but then I would have to go to Austin! Once to deliver it and again to pick it up!
I'm not ready for that.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/01/2023 at 12:26
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/01/2023 at 12:27
P.S. Austin Texas is The World's Biggest Freaking Traffic Jam.....
All the Liberal Weirdos from California didn't know that when they moved there and once they got there they thought it was NORMAL!
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: February/01/2023 at 12:32
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: April/23/2023 at 18:49
Long ago and Far Away I had a Nikon FE camera.....
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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: April/24/2023 at 05:42
Couldn’t afford Nikon. Mine was a Pentax Spotmatic F.
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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: December/11/2023 at 21:54
I had a Nikon FE camera....like Isak Dinesen said: "I had a farm in Africa..."
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