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Topic: 375H&H thoughts.
Posted By: Sparky
Subject: 375H&H thoughts.
Date Posted: July/28/2013 at 23:00
I have been looking for a new rifle that would be adequate for hunting in Alaska. And I was thinking either 300 or 338 mags, but was able to shoot a Dakota 76 in 375H&H. I shot 300gn at 1600ft/sec and was surprised that the recoil was not that bad. I would rather shoot this than my buddy's Rem in 300wsm. Plus I was told you can down load it for smaller game. The shop can get me any of these four. A Rem, Browning, Winchester or a CZ. Thoughts on this cal and which rifle?


The velocity should have been 2600 not 1600.



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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 04:27
CZ

Cool


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Posted By: Longhunter
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 05:15
GunTests ran a comparison of the Remington and Winchester .375s in their September, 2012 issue.  They reviewed the CZ, Ruger M77 Mark II, and Kimber .375s in the March 2010 issue.  You might want to get copies of these issues to see what virtues and vices they noted for each.  ( http://www.Gun-Tests.com - www.Gun-Tests.com ) 
 
The .338 worked just fine on my brown bear hunt (a 250 grain Nosler partition put it down DRT).  It also worked well for others on that trip.  The .338 will do anything you need to do in North America.
 
if you ever hope to go to Africa for dangerous game, though, the .375 may be a better choice since it seems to be the minimum dangerous game caliber for most countries over there.
 
   


Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 07:46
I'd get the Winny......................... but I'd rather have a DAKOTA. LOL.

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 08:54
 
  .375H&H is a great round.  Just in case you don't know though the load you shot is not exactly representitive of the recoil to expect when shooting even moderate loads.  My SIL's .45-70 load is a 405gr at 1600. 


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 10:06
I'm shooting 270gr RNSP at 2760 in my 375H&H.  Not much recoil at all. 
500gr at 2450 in my 458Lott.


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 11:09
Originally posted by Sparky<br> I shot 300gn at 1600ft/sec and was surprised that the recoil was not that bad. <br>[/QUOTE Sparky
 I shot 300gn at 1600ft/sec and was surprised that the recoil was not that bad.
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My bad. The velocity should have been 2600 not 1600. Well actually the three round avg was 2604. A


My bad. The velocity should have been 2600 not 1600. Well actually the three round avg was 2604. And from what I have read that is fairly representative of that round. But this is a whole new area for me. So I would like to get some more informed opinions. I have a 50BMG, but my next biggest cal is a 308.


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 12:01
Mine is a Remington 700 classic and I could not be happier. I use both 270 and 300 gr bullets and the recoil is not bad at all.
 


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 12:10
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Mine is a Remington 700 classic and I could not be happier. I use both 270 and 300 gr bullets and the recoil is not bad at all.
 

Sexy...


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 13:49
That is vurra, vurra, nice...

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 15:13
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Mine is a Remington 700 classic and I could not be happier. I use both 270 and 300 gr bullets and the recoil is not bad at all.
 

Ah, Remington.  That barely qualifies it as a firearm.

The scope is nice though...

ILya


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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 16:38
Ouch. Obviously, you don't suffer from the dreadful Remmy desire syndrome! Me either. Big green isn't my favorite either. . 

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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 18:05
A CZ is mighty tempting.  So's a Winchester.  Secretly, I'd like to find a Mark X and put a left hand low swing safety on the shroud.  

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Posted By: sakomato
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 20:41


Savage 16/116 Bear Hunter in 375 Ruger

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/

23" fluted adj brake, 7.75 pounds, under $1,000

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 21:17
CZ550... after $1000.00+ of work...
 


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: July/29/2013 at 23:25
Some very nice rifles! So far it seems CZ and Winchester are the favorites.

Why no love for the Browning X bolt?

And is the 375 Ruger a rare cal? And how does it compare with the 375H&H?


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 00:15
I had a Browning  375 H& H and it would NOT group as in good luck hitting the barn from inside. I have a TC Encore .375 H&H barrel that I shoot some and I really like the caliber and wish I had a Bullberry barrel in that caliber rather than the TC barrel.   I looked real hard at a Winchester not long ago and very much liked it. I wish Tikka T3 came in that caliber they go up to  .338 WM and stop.  I have been very impressed with the  .375 Ruger made By SAVAGE they seem to be a fine choice and slightly faster plus it is not a belted case.  So my first choice would be a stainless  Savage .375 Ruger and my second choice would be a Winchester 375 H&H.   There are also some Sako 85 stainless  .375 H&H on gunbroker.com

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 04:37
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

CZ550... after $1000.00+ of work...
 




Kb, that's the ticket. Real pretty. Sure hope the Brinkmann is cold.

Excellent


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 09:47
Check the temperature gauge...

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 09:49
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Check the temperature gauge...


I saw that after I did the post.

Loco


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 11:01
Actually, the Brinkmann has been replaced with a Komodo Egg.  I like it better for cooking, but cannot use it for picture taking... that sucks.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 12:46
If I were to buy a 375H&H (and it is on the list of guns I plan to get, but not near the top), I would be going for a CZ.  This version seems to fit me pretty well:
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-550-american-safari-magnum/ - http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-550-american-safari-magnum/

ILya



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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 13:34
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

If I were to buy a 375H&H (and it is on the list of guns I plan to get, but not near the top), I would be going for a CZ.  This version seems to fit me pretty well:
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-550-american-safari-magnum/ - http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-550-american-safari-magnum/

ILya



Ilya, I just found a Action Arms catalog from 1994 and with it was a dist. price list. BRNO 602 Magnum Mauser barreled actions  in .300 Win. Mag, .375 H & H and .458 Win. Mag cost $371, $371 and $389.00.My CZ-85 Combat 9mm$479.00 and my 600 was $435.00 and my Timberwolf was $204.00

Skip



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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 14:06
Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

If I were to buy a 375H&H (and it is on the list of guns I plan to get, but not near the top), I would be going for a CZ.  This version seems to fit me pretty well:
http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-550-american-safari-magnum/ - http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-550-american-safari-magnum/

ILya



Ilya, I just found a Action Arms catalog from 1994 and with it was a dist. price list. BRNO 602 Magnum Mauser barreled actions  in .300 Win. Mag, .375 H & H and .458 Win. Mag cost $371, $371 and $389.00.My CZ-85 Combat 9mm$479.00 and my 600 was $435.00 and my Timberwolf was $204.00

Skip


In 1994, I was in the process of graduating from high school and my primary purpose in life was to entertain myself as much as I could before starting college in the fall.  I think  I had succeeded since I do not remember that summer at all.

As much as I hate to admit, at that point of my life I had never heard about CZ or 375H&H...

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Posted By: sakomato
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 17:18
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Some very nice rifles! So far it seems CZ and Winchester are the favorites.

Why no love for the Browning X bolt?

And is the 375 Ruger a rare cal? And how does it compare with the 375H&H?




The 375 Ruger is no longer rare and it will be chambered in more and more manufacturer's rifles as time goes by. It started in the Ruger rifles and I believe now you can get it in Howa rifles and CZ Safari Classics

It has a little more powder capacity, is unbelted and will fit in a 3.4" action (win mag size)

Mine has a 24" barrel (a rebarrel and not the Savage I posted a pic of) and I have loaded a 260 gr Accubond to 3000 fps and my normal load is a 270 gr TSX at 2850 fps



The 375 Ruger and 375 H & H have about the same relationship that the 300 win mag and 300 H & H had in the past. Care to guess which will win out?

Don't get me wrong, the 375 H & H is a fine caliber. I just prefer the added oomph and unbelted standard action bolt throw


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 18:07
I was looking at 375 Ruger when I got my H&H.  Only reason was I could not find anything suitable at the time except lever guns.  I like the levers, but thought it was a waste of potential for that caliber.  I currently wish I had held out for the 375 Ruger.  I like the 375H&H, but it is just so-so to me.  I also have a 300H&H... I like it, but it has no real advantage over my 30-06s. 

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Posted By: Obi Wan Kenobi
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 21:08
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I have been looking for a new rifle that would be adequate for hunting in Alaska. And I was thinking either 300 or 338 mags, but was able to shoot a Dakota 76 in 375H&H. I shot 300gn at 1600ft/sec and was surprised that the recoil was not that bad. I would rather shoot this than my buddy's Rem in 300wsm. Plus I was told you can down load it for smaller game. The shop can get me any of these four. A Rem, Browning, Winchester or a CZ. Thoughts on this cal and which rifle?


The velocity should have been 2600 not 1600.
 
Sparky just my humble opinion. The 375 is a wonderful round. Its at the top of my list for someone hunting dangerous game in Africa. I love the different versions made by Sako in 375.
 
But you don't need that much gun in Alaska. A 325 wsm will kill anything cleanly in North America. Like the 280 delivers a similar wallop of the 30.06 without the 06's recoil, the 325 wsm delivers a similar wallop to that of the 338 without losing your teeth in the process.
 
Aside from common predjudices and not a whole lot of available ammo like the 280, the 325 wsm is specifically designed for a light weight short action rifle that would give similar energy and knock down power of the 338 minus the 338's recoil.
 
I know people who rave about their 325s and killing the biggest of brown bear with them.
 
 


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 22:45
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

  I currently wish I had held out for the 375 Ruger.  I like the 375H&H, but it is just so-so to me. 


A 375H&H is just so-so?? I am getting more interested in the 375 Ruger. So what does the Ruger have over the H&H?


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 23:08
MORE POWER... arrhhh, aaarrhhh, arrrrhhh, arrrrhhh,  aaaarrrrrhhhhhh....

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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/30/2013 at 23:51
The  375 H&H has been around forever so there is ammo in all kinds of odd places but it is a very long case and a belted case so the action of the rifle has to be long enought for the cartridge and a lot are not.  375 Ruger is a newer cartridge and a shorter case which is not belted.  When resizing a case reloading the belt does not get resized and I have had some stick in the chamber in a tight chamber. I really like the rifles Savage is offering in stainless in .375 Ruger the cost is several hundred less than a blue winchester and the rifle just comes up perfect for me I have almost bought one several times and probably would have already if I didnt have stuff in the H & H already.  But I may have to have one before too long I really like the one with the 20 in barrel and iron sights.

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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: August/10/2013 at 09:24
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Some very nice rifles! So far it seems CZ and Winchester are the favorites.

Why no love for the Browning X bolt?

And is the 375 Ruger a rare cal? And how does it compare with the 375H&H?

The CZ, Winchester, Mauser, and Ruger, etc. are controlled round feed....so in 375 that eliminates the Remington and Browning....

....I don't mind push feed in a deer rifle, but I would not get one in a Dangerous Game rifle....even if I wasn't going to shoot anything dangerous.  


....other than that factor, I don't care too much for Remingtons.....and Remingtons are terribly short on me....I'd have to add three inches of wood to the butt......

Never had a Browning.....too modern for me!!!  I like the ancient FN Browning High Powers.....but that's a whole different rifle.....






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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/10/2013 at 10:05
The M16/M4 are push feed Big Smile

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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: August/10/2013 at 11:19
.....didn't think of that.......I was thinking of snarling fur bearers with big teeth and stuff jumping on my neck....    Shocked


....on second thought, maybe I oughta get a Double rifle so I don't even have to work the bolt!!  Smile


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: August/10/2013 at 13:38
The CZ and the Win are still high on my list. Thoughts on the Ruger?

Since I have shot the 375H&H I know what to expect. But a friend thinks he knows someone who has a 375Ruger not sure what it is though. I have looked for 375 Ruger ammo but have not found any yet. If I do go with the 375Ruger the Savage looks nice as well.


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/10/2013 at 14:57

I would get the Winchester or the CZ because of the H&H.



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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/10/2013 at 21:59
i love my m70 semi custom H&H i wouldnt trade it for anything, and its a push feed.


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 13:14
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Mine is a Remington 700 classic and I could not be happier. I use both 270 and 300 gr bullets and the recoil is not bad at all.
 
 

Ah, Remington.  That barely qualifies it as a firearm.

The scope is nice though...

ILya
You would certainly know about that Kahles Big Smile. But, the Remington, I have a bunch of them from 22-250 up through the .375. I have never had a problem and they are all accurate.

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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 13:37
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

The M16/M4 are push feed Big Smile
 
Bet that would make you feel a lot more comfortable with on standing in front of a Cape Buffalo.


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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 13:39
Remingtons are accurate sure enough.  I had two, I believe....maybe three.  I had a really nice M 725 270, and a nifty little M 722 300 Savage!!   Big Grin

Gone but not forgotten.  The 270 had a pad added and the LOP was 14".....the little 722 was a little short, but it was a 300 Savage.  That 300 was my all round 'shoot-something-off-the-porch' rifle for years.  Varmints beware.    


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Posted By: 338LAPUASLAP
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 14:11
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

CZ550... after $1000.00+ of work...
 
What the what?

That sounds outlandish...


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Posted By: stateside
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 20:05
I bought one for deer hunting. All my friends give me sh!t shooting Bambi with a canon maybe they are right. We will see.


Posted By: stateside
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 20:29
Sorry not enough posts to edit.

I bought a used Remington 700 Classic .375 H&H. I know pretty generic and low end but, it was all I could afford in 375. Kicks like a mule with a altitude just need a scope that will not give me scope-eyes. HA!


Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 21:18
He is out working in SD now but you need to hook up with Pyro6999. His tag line is... 375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"
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Posted By: stateside
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 21:53
Hello
I should have introduced myself.

I have been lurking for for a week or two. Looks like a good forum here with a colorful back and forth. I don't have much for cash flow but, I am building a decent collection - very slowly. So, in other words I can't afford $1200 scopes $5000 rifles.

Less I am on the wrong type forum let me know.


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 22:19
Originally posted by stateside stateside wrote:

I bought one for deer hunting. All my friends give me sh!t shooting Bambi with a canon maybe they are right. We will see.


Welcome to the OT!

I know what you mean, but I am intending to go to Alaska to do some hunting. Not sure my 308 is anywhere near enough for that.



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