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Topic: Trijicon AccuPoint 3x9x40 vs SWFA SS 3x9x42
Posted By: MarshallNole
Subject: Trijicon AccuPoint 3x9x40 vs SWFA SS 3x9x42
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 12:53
Hello. New member here. I am in the market for a new scope for my DSA FAL .308. I have it kind of narrowed down to the Trijicon AccuPoint 3x9x40 and the SWFA SS 3x9x42. I am wondering if anyone had an suggestions as to which is better, benefits/drawbacks of each, etc. I don't have one of each I Can look at and compare myself. They are both in my price range (between $500-$1000) and I am leaning towards the 3x9 power.

I personally am leaning more towards the Trijicon due to its illumination and having no batteries, while the SWFA has no illumination at all. My coworker is telling me the SWFA has better glass clarity.

Anyone have experience with these that can help me make a decision?



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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 12:56
I should add that I mostly just target shoot but plan to go hunting with this rifle as well.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 13:37
Optically they will be pretty close. 

The SS scope is a tactical style scope with tactical style turret adjustments.  The Accupoint is a hunting type scope with covered knobs that a made to be zeroed and for the most part left alone.

So if you just want a scope to zero and leave it at that I would get the trijicon, but if you want to shoot multiple distances and be able to dial in elevation and windage changes the SS is the better choice. 


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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 14:23
So the Trijicon cannot be adjusted on the fly if I decide to go from shooting at 100 yards to 300 yards? I do want to have that option.

I am not familiar with scopes really. I thought I could do all those adjustments on the Trijicon but I would just have to remove the knobs.

I want to be able to shoot anywhere from 100-300 yards accurately.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 14:25
They can, you just have to take off the cap and turn the turret or leave the cap off.  It is not a turret like on the SS scope though.  

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 14:32
Its a covered turret vs and exposed turret.  If you want something with illumination thats close to those two look at this one -
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it has illumination that is good and turrets are exposed but not as tall to get in the way. 


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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 15:21
So covered turret vs exposed turret - meaning all I have to do is remove the turret covers and then I can adjust the sight just as I would on the SS scope?

Do any of you all know how the glass of the Trijicon compares with the glass of the SWFA SS?


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 15:35

correct.  It may not be as easy to adjust the covered turrets of the trijicon.  I cant remember what they look like under the cap.  It is not marked if I remember correct so it will be a counting thing.  If you are going to dial in you want a marked turret wether its capped or not.  Some else may can chime in if it is marked under or not.



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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 15:38
Originally posted by MarshallNole MarshallNole wrote:

Do any of you all know how the glass of the Trijicon compares with the glass of the SWFA SS?


As I said in my first post, they will be very similar.  I have owned both Trijicon and SWFA scopes and there is not much diff. 




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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 15:40
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by MarshallNole MarshallNole wrote:

Do any of you all know how the glass of the Trijicon compares with the glass of the SWFA SS?


As I said in my first post, they will be very similar.  I have owned both Trijicon and SWFA scopes and there is not much diff. 



Missed that. I apologize.

Looks like you can't go wrong with either. Thanks for the input.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 15:43
They are both great scopes.  Really it comes down to illumination vs uncovered turrets.  If you want both then that Leupold SVT posted would be a great option.  It will have glass quality that is similar as well.  

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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 16:26
Would either scope work well on this mount?

http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/298/

The following post I found on another thread worried me...

"The Trijicon Accupoint 3x9 is a really nice scope that, imho, works really well for night hunts, but it only has 48 moa of adjustments. It is quite short if you have a 20 moa base - you might run the risk of not making zero (happened to a friend of mine).  "


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 18:24
I would either use La Rue or BOBRO mounts for your FAL and I would stay with a 30mm tube scope if you possibly can.  Having said that if you zero at 200yds you will only be a tad high at 100 and a few inches low at 300 so almost any scope will work for you without the need to adjust it.  Scopes that have covered capped turrets are best left alone once you zero them at a known distance you learn your hold over for the distances you work at and dont make changes on the fly.  Guys who need to make precision shots use target tactical knobs to dial in correction for both trajectory and wind compensation which requires some effort to know what you are doing at long range.  If all you are concerned with is inside 300 yds then zero it at 200 and go practice shooting out to 300. As for the Trijicon I think the glass in them and in the variable Super Sniper is all very good considering the price to get anything better you would pay more than double the price.  I very much like the illuminated reticles of Trijicon products and I run one of their 1-4x red post scopes on the rifle I use for coyotes shooting at the same type distances you are talking about and it works very well for me.  I also like the 2.5 to 10 x56 much better than the 3-9x42 so I suggest you consider that scope if it is available.  Do call and ask if the scope you want is in stock as this is a time of high demand.

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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 18:54
Is there any particular LaRue QD mount you would suggest for these scopes on a FAL?


Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 18:58
Also, the Trijicon is a 1 inch tube, so I guess that is another drawback..


Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 19:31
This looks like a good mount.

http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-spr-m4-scope-mount-qd-lt-104 - http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-tactical-spr-m4-scope-mount-qd-lt-104


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 20:20
Get the slightly forward bobro mount. They are significantly better than larue mounts.

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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 20:25
just to throw it out there, SVT you were right. the VXR patrol i got, the glass was nowhere near the SS, and the reticle is half assed. it wasn't close to the pst 2.5-10.

get the SS or the Viper PST, the patrol doesn't have much adjustment either.

the Viper has good glass and illum, the SS has good-great glass, and no Illum.

i got a WARNE ramp mount, and it's pretty solid for sure.


Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 21:15
Is this the Bobro mount you speak of?

http://www.bobroengineering.com/view/product/9/ - http://www.bobroengineering.com/view/product/9/


Posted By: tejas
Date Posted: March/06/2013 at 22:48
The Trijicon turrets ARE marked. It's also a good bit lighter than the SS is. On a heavy rifle like yours though, I doubt it will matter.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 08:23
[QUOTE=jjrgr21]just to throw it out there, SVT you were right. the VXR patrol i got, the glass was nowhere near the SS, and the reticle is half assed. it wasn't close to the pst 2.5-10.

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Now do you feel the patrol's reticle was not good?  I like the reticle myself.  The glass is not as good but its not far off either.


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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 08:57
I am now leaning towards the SWFA 3x9 with a LaRue LT104 mount.

I just don't know enough about the Bobro mounts to go with that.

The SWFA has a 30mm tube vs the 1inch tube of the AccuPoint 3x9. Plus it has the tactical turrets.

The only benefit I am seeing at the moment to the Trijicon is the illumination and no batteries.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 09:29
I promise you the bobro is the better mount.  They have a better attachment system that does not ever need adjusted and it does not mess up the rail like a LaRue does over time from taking it on and off.  I have had several LaRues's (still have a couple) and have two Bobros and the bobro is better in every single way. 

Get the slightly forward model. http://swfa.com/Bobro-Precision-Optic-30mm-Mount-P47627.aspx - http://swfa.com/Bobro-Precision-Optic-30mm-Mount-P47627.aspx


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 11:35

This may be helpful -

http://opticstalk.com/qd-roundup-updated-w-bobro_topic25397.html - http://opticstalk.com/qd-roundup-updated-w-bobro_topic25397.html
 
I would go bobro, larue is known to chew up rails.


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 11:39
For bench/target work, the SS will be a better fit.  For hunting, I prefer the Accupoint.

Both scopes will function fine in the other roll,  but are not ideal.

Which to get depends on priorities.

Both have very good glass for the price, both of mine (SS3-9 and Accupoint 3-9) track true and have been very durable.

And I agree with SVT, forget the LaRue, they chew up rails and don't return to zero well at all.  I would recommend the Bobro or American Defense Recon.


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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 12:01
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

For bench/target work, the SS will be a better fit.  For hunting, I prefer the Accupoint.

Both scopes will function fine in the other roll,  but are not ideal.

Which to get depends on priorities.

Both have very good glass for the price, both of mine (SS3-9 and Accupoint 3-9) track true and have been very durable.

And I agree with SVT, forget the LaRue, they chew up rails and don't return to zero well at all.  I would recommend the Bobro or American Defense Recon.

I plan to do BOTH bench/target work AND hunting with this rifle (deer and pig). I will most likely do a little more bench/target work, but this gun and scope will be used for both purposes.

So it boils down to this - should I pay a little more for the Trijicon and get the illuminated reticle? 

It is definitely between the Trijicon Accupoint 3-9 and the SWFA SS 3-9.

I have decided to the with the Slightly Forward Bobro mount that was suggested here.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 12:13
For hogs, illumination is all but essential.  I say that, having killed more than a few.

I own both scopes, I like both scopes.  I would buy the SS if range work will be most of the effort.  Spinning turrets on the SS will be much easier than on the Trijicon.

It's a tough choice, both are good scopes, the Trijicon will be a better hunter (pigs, especially) while the SS will be a better range scope.
(If you go for the SS, later you can buy a laser designator to supplement, so you won't need an illuminated reticle.

Priorities.


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Posted By: tejas
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 13:45
Why are you dead set on one of these two scopes when they have so little in common? Have you thought about getting a mil dot type reticle instead of, or in addition to exposed turrets? They are available for most scopes including the Trijicon. You can use either scope you mentioned to perform either task, but neither is gonna be great for both. I own twoTrijicons, they are both for hunting though. My local range is only 300 yds, and they are fine for that too. If you get the 2.5-10x56 Trijicon with mildot, it has a smaller illuminated dot in the center and is more suitable for precision target work. It's also great for low light hunting. I use my 3-9x40 more often for hog hunting though, simple because it's lighter. Low light shooting and long range shots very seldom go hand in hand IMO. If it were me, I'd get two different rigs. A lightweight rifle with the Trijicon for hunting and the SS for your FAL. I realize not everyone has that option though. Both the scopes you've chosen are great, they were built for very different purposes though.


Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 14:08
Originally posted by tejas tejas wrote:

Why are you dead set on one of these two scopes when they have so little in common? Have you thought about getting a mil dot type reticle instead of, or in addition to exposed turrets? They are available for most scopes including the Trijicon. You can use either scope you mentioned to perform either task, but neither is gonna be great for both. I own twoTrijicons, they are both for hunting though. My local range is only 300 yds, and they are fine for that too. If you get the 2.5-10x56 Trijicon with mildot, it has a smaller illuminated dot in the center and is more suitable for precision target work. It's also great for low light hunting. I use my 3-9x40 more often for hog hunting though, simple because it's lighter. Low light shooting and long range shots very seldom go hand in hand IMO. If it were me, I'd get two different rigs. A lightweight rifle with the Trijicon for hunting and the SS for your FAL. I realize not everyone has that option though. Both the scopes you've chosen are great, they were built for very different purposes though.

I'm dead set on them for a few reasons.

1) I know very little about scopes and both of these seem to get excellent reviews

2) I don't have the option to buy another gun right now. I have my FAL and I need a scope for it. I am just trying to choose the best all around scope I can get for under $1000.


Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 14:09
Also, if I choose the Trijicon, I do plan on getting the green Mil-Dot reticle.


Posted By: tejas
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 14:34
If you decide that illumination is a must, for the money Trijicon is probably impossible to beat. I don't have an S/S but they have a great reputation as well. Have you looked at the Trijicon 5-20? It has the exposed turrets but is going to be bigger and more expensive. I think you'll end up happy either way.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 14:40
Hmm, if I were you I would still seriously consider the Leupold VXR patrol for this role.  http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx - http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx   It may be a couple of percent worse, but not enough it is going to cost you shots or anything.  The glass is going to be close to the others.  Lots of people use it for night time hunting and are very happy with it.  Ccoker one of our regulars is a low light hunting fool and he has very good things to say about the Leupold VXR line. 

Plus it has the target turrets so you get both of the things you want all in one scope. 


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 14:42
Another thought, the FAL has a pretty big drop in the comb.  So I am not sure a Bobro or LaRue is the best choice for mounts either.  If you use one of those it is going to make your scope really high, to high to get a proper cheek weld.  Just from looking at pics I am betting you will be better off with medium or low rings of some sort. 

Look how high this eotech is above the iron sights in this pic.  IMO that is just way to high.




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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 15:12
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Another thought, the FAL has a pretty big drop in the comb.  So I am not sure a Bobro or LaRue is the best choice for mounts either.  If you use one of those it is going to make your scope really high, to high to get a proper cheek weld.  Just from looking at pics I am betting you will be better off with medium or low rings of some sort. 

Look how high this eotech is above the iron sights in this pic.  IMO that is just way to high.



something like this?

http://www.competitor.com/warne-quick-detach-rings-w-matte-finish-41653.html - http://www.competitor.com/warne-quick-detach-rings-w-matte-finish-41653.html


Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 15:19
I have the PARA folding stock with cheekrest. It is not the fixed stock like that one.


Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 15:40
I'm going with the SWFA 3-9.

Thanks for the input guys.

I plan to buy a lighter weight bolt action rifle in the future that I will put the Trijicon on. Until then I will use the FAL for hunting as well... there is only so much money to spend at once.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 16:29
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hmm, if I were you I would still seriously consider the Leupold VXR patrol for this role.  http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx - http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx   It may be a couple of percent worse, but not enough it is going to cost you shots or anything.  The glass is going to be close to the others.  Lots of people use it for night time hunting and are very happy with it.  Ccoker one of our regulars is a low light hunting fool and he has very good things to say about the Leupold VXR line. 

Plus it has the target turrets so you get both of the things you want all in one scope. 
For what he wants its the best option ST.  But what can ya do.

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Posted By: MarshallNole
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 16:33
Alright, I will consider the Luepold!

I will do more research on it tonight.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 16:39
It will do all you want in a scope with only a minor MINOR step down in glass.
I seriously just bought another one last week to do exactly what you want to do with yours.


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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/07/2013 at 19:01
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hmm, if I were you I would still seriously consider the Leupold VXR patrol for this role.  http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx - http://swfa.com/Leupold-3-9x40-VX-R-Patrol-30mm-Riflescope-P49445.aspx   It may be a couple of percent worse, but not enough it is going to cost you shots or anything.  The glass is going to be close to the others.  Lots of people use it for night time hunting and are very happy with it.  Ccoker one of our regulars is a low light hunting fool and he has very good things to say about the Leupold VXR line. 

Plus it has the target turrets so you get both of the things you want all in one scope. 


The VXR patrol scopes are nice scopes. Here is a review on the 3-9 by SVT.

http://www.opticstalk.com/leupold-vxr-patrol_topic30728.html

Another short review.

http://tacticalgunreview.com/blog/2012/01/leupold-patrol-vxr-3-9x40-scope-review/



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