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Topic: New Cali gun bill
Posted By: RifleDude
Subject: New Cali gun bill
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 12:02
Just introduced...

http://gunmartblog.com/2013/02/08/californias-new-gun-bill-is-tyrannical - http://gunmartblog.com/2013/02/08/californias-new-gun-bill-is-tyrannical

I feel for my Kalifornia brothers. This is an outrage! Whether this actually becomes law or not, the fact this crap is even being considered...


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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.



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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 12:24
ShockedThat's scary!!!

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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 12:31
Just nuts and so absolutely out of touch with the real problems related to firearms.

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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 14:26
Total BS. The "gun insurance"is very troubling...as is the whole lot. Time to unite and DEFEAT all of this nonsense.Hippie


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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 14:37
Well if your truly concerned please write/call the NRA or who ever else you can think of because if this passes not only are people like myself F'ed but down the road other states could follow suit.

I called the NRA and was refereed to the NRA-ILA who then refereed me to the local affiliates. I was basically told they're sitting on their a$$es because they feel it's still too early.... F'ing really???? I got the feeling the NRA was only focusing at a Federal level, this may have changed since Thursday evening/yesterday morning. I've also written the Governor and called my local politicians. If the NRA doesn't step up (at a state level) the only hope will be for the governor to veto the bill or for it to be over turned in court down the road.

Wish we could borrow Senator Cruz or Ted Nugent (on the NRA board) would fly in to educate these morons because there's a lot of uneducated people who are on the fence out here who act like zombies and follow the BS the elected officials feed them.


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Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 14:40
+1 on everything said,these gun laws are total  BS Flag

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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 16:06
Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

Total BS. The "gun insurance"is very troubling...as is the whole lot. Time to unite and DEFEAT all of this nonsense.Hippie


Yes, it is.
Being forced to have liability insurance(legalized extortion) is a bunch of bull.

These need to be sent over to France/Germany... where all the other socialist Yahoo's are at.

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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 16:16
liable for what? gun ownership isn't a privilege, granted by a state license its a right as a US citizen under the constitution. Even the ACLU would go after this one, and even then it could be only implemented by state, so pro gun states like wyo,ar,ut,etc. wouldn't allow it. I almost wish the confiscation one would pass, this violates several constitutional amendments (seizure, 2nd ,) and wouldn't last 10 mins. in a court battle. The NRA isn't hot as they already know this, and are waiting for specifics. (as well as most commercial organizations involved)

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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 16:20
If you are negligent with a gun, there will be criminal problems, at that time it takes precedence over the civil liability, which already occurs, whether damages are awarded is a totally different animal. The terms innocent (guilty) are also misused. Both are legal terms and have only to do with someone who is charged/trial etc. Innocent children so on and so on. Innocent of what?  

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I love little league baseball-- it keeps the kids out of the house
Yogi Bera



Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 16:52


Say what you want, the sh*t is happening and the NRA needs to jump on this.

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Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 17:42
Just to let you know the NRA cals my work and home as much a 3 times a day ......Then hangs up as soon as the phone is answered. Sure the NRA listens. Like hell they listen.

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Folks ain't got a sense of humor no more. They don't laugh they just get sore.

Need to follow the rules. Just hard to determine which set of rules to follow
Now the rules have changed again.


Posted By: RotoReuter_DM
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 20:28
Dumb

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Posted By: M1Thumb
Date Posted: February/09/2013 at 20:51
The Feds plan is working - forcing if you will the States to enact the laws so it is not the FED making the laws.
 
So if a weapon becomes illegal as a result of the law how are you supposed to get rid of it???
 
Is the state going to compensate folks for their now illegal weapons that they have to get rid of????
 


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Geo-spatially speaking you missed :o)


Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 00:52
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/02/07/dr_benjamin_carson_addresses_national_prayer_breakfast_criticizes_obamacare.html - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/02/07/dr_benjamin_carson_addresses_national_prayer_breakfast_criticizes_obamacare.html


For President??

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Light is alright.<br /><br />The end is just... the beginning   -soul surfer


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 09:08
Originally posted by M1Thumb M1Thumb wrote:


So if a weapon becomes illegal as a result of the law how are you supposed to get rid of it???
 
Is the state going to compensate folks for their now illegal weapons that they have to get rid of????
 


EXACTLY! By present laws, this is all LEGALLY-OWNED PROPERTY. The illegality and tyranny of these proposed laws aside, the doctrine of "imminent domain" established the precedent that the government must provide "just compensation" to the owner for any seized property "for the greater good."


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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 09:15
whos going to enforce or better yet pay for it? the federal gov. cannot enforce the schedule I drug law that wobbely weed falls under (grass). state and local law officers won't unless they are targeting a specific group -- which would be a really good discrimination case. California continues to put up an even larger fence around its borders, I think we should help by sending barb wire and steel posts

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I love little league baseball-- it keeps the kids out of the house
Yogi Bera



Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 09:20
Ever the pragmatist Dale........

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 10:05


Dale, not sure if you saw the video I posted but it apoears it's not
just Kalifornia right now, it's an all out assault by the Demo-Nazi
party, NY went down first, Colorado, a swing state, has an up hill
battle as well.

If one truly thinks the government's going to
give you sufficient compensation for your semi-automtic rifle deemed an
assault weapon then you've been drinking some of the kool-aid as
well.


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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 10:08
Rustic, I truly wish you would learn to post website links correctly. I know you have something important to say, you usually do when it comes to political matters like this and I know I've tried to show you how to. I just don't have the time to manipulate your links using my phone to be able to view them. Hope you figure it out soon.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 10:23
Very true, Dale, but nevertheless, if some new law makes my currently legal property suddenly illegal, I lose some liberty to use said property as I see fit because now I have to be concerned with who may see me using my property, and I have to depend on the LEOs wherever I am to be on my side and choose not to enforce the law. Otherwise, I have to keep my property hidden, in which case, I cannot enjoy using it in complete freedom. When I pass on, my heirs lose value in my estate because I may not be able to legally pass on my property under some of the registration schemes being proposed. Likewise, I may be restricted from selling my property I purchased legally to another if I so choose, because a potential buyer may be deterred from buying illegal property.

So, you see, even if the government, either state or federal, lacks the will or the practical means for enforcement, it can still create many legal hurdles to me or my heirs from enjoying the fruits of my labor - my property.

I may have misinterpreted the point of your post, but I kinda took your position to be "don't worry; despite all the rhetoric, the government can't actually take your guns." If that was your thesis, then I disagree. Ask the people who had their guns confiscated (estimated up to 1200 guns) by the feds in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. Even potential new laws aren't enforced, they create hassles for us and, in legalese, cause a "chilling effect" that in effect, has some of the same results as actual enforcement.

I'm just glad I live in Texas. Such draconian laws aren't likely to happen on the state level here, at least not in my lifetime. Nevertheless, in the event federal laws make anything I currently own illegal, as the saying goes, "my guns won't be illegal, they'll be 'undocumented.'"


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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 10:35
I tell ya... I've never been so pleased with the results of my vote as I have been for the vote I cast for TX Senator Ted Cruz in the last election!

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/339816/unconventional-ted-cruz-andrew-stiles - http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/339816/unconventional-ted-cruz-andrew-stiles


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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 10:47
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I tell ya... I've never been so pleased with the results of my vote as I have been for the vote I cast for TX Senator Ted Cruz in the last election!

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/339816/unconventional-ted-cruz-andrew-stiles - http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/339816/unconventional-ted-cruz-andrew-stiles



Come on Texas, share the love (Senator Cruz)!!!  Big Smile


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Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 10:52
Sounds like a good guy Ted.  A sane voice in the asylum.

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God save the Empire!


Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 11:07
The truth is with all that is going on in this nation. The one issue is the 800 pound gorilla in the room no... the whale in the room. Our debt/unfunded liability's. Our debt is over 16 trillion so, if you started counting to that number one number every second it would take well over 5 hundred thousand years to get to 16 trillion then... add 100+ trillion in unfunded liability's to deal with.

The facts are there is NO WAY out of this even... if EVERYONE was on board the fix-it train.
The fact is PC'ness is making the road to denial and weeeee... are all along for the ride whether we like it or not.

The 47%(now 50+%) has made this nations bed - it sucks - we HAVE hit the point of no return.

There are all sorts of quotes eluding to the situation we find ourselves in - the one about the "in debt" being slaves of those owning "the debt" comes to mind... as the most suitable??

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Light is alright.<br /><br />The end is just... the beginning   -soul surfer


Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 13:03
sticking to guns for the moment, northern cal has been trying to get rid of southern cal for a long time-(water,labor etc.) its like two different states. Ted perhaps you should look into trusts, if those are more your areas of concern. I have no doubt that some elements of the US would try confiscation, I'm simply saying that it will be met with armed resistence. If those elements of the US want to deal with another WACO that is what will happen. I'm betting they don't. All Obama needs right now is another Kent State situation to really lame duck his presd. Most police encounters  (happily-I guess) are with non-trained crazies etc. Confiscation will only bring out the trained and well equiped. Some of those 50's out there have already targeted Apaches, vital transport functions, communication etc. This is one of the reasons that so much is coming out on approved Drone attacks on US citizens, and also one reason this discussion should be getting more talk than some Ars.
 
 
edit to tone down a bit.


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I love little league baseball-- it keeps the kids out of the house
Yogi Bera



Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 13:45
Dale, sorry you're right, we're pretty much sayin' the same thing about Southern Kali... I'm working on emotion right now.






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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 15:00
sorry you think its bs, but address the issues, would n. cal like to get rid of so cal yes or no? ans. yes, can they? another subject completely.  What no cal has lost in those two lakes is nothing compared to the water fight to stop them from getting the water out of the snake,colorado and green rivers. The lastest is stopping the pipe line out of lake powell.
getting back to gun issues-- a lot of folks feel confiscation is a pivitol issue, sort of if that falls then the rest will, and have drawn the line in the sand sort of speak. Of course this is a slippery slope logic, like the one Nixon used "if nam falls so will the rest" etc. and incorrect.(no causality). Also  some folks here as well as elsewhere noted that if the large fed. budget causes economic collapse then this could accelerate a showdown on fed control at the state and local level. I am not saying that Cal. is lost or that north cal can change what socal wants to do. I am saying it was lost along time ago. Other states such as wyo have already passed laws stopping fed from doing this very thing. 10 years ago. currently the Utah gov. will either be signing or vetoing a bill allowing congressional carry. No permit needed. (as people haven't been doing it sense the 20's and yes ted the cops looked the other way). Why would the NRA or anyother organization want to pursue this issue used (in a really broad sense here) in cal or ny when they know they can win on a national front? Having a clear cut definitionof amendment rights may make you feel warm and fuzzy but have little to do with what really happens. This has been going on with the 1st amend. for as long as I can remember.


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I love little league baseball-- it keeps the kids out of the house
Yogi Bera



Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: February/10/2013 at 16:58

China surpassed the U.S. to become the world’s biggest trading nation last year as measured by the sum of exports and imports of goods, official figures from both countries show.
U.S. exports and imports of goods last year totaled $3.82 trillion, the U.S. Commerce Department said last week. China’s customs administration reported last month that the country’s trade in goods in 2012 amounted to $3.87 trillion.

Thursday afternoon, the Federal Reserve revealed that its holdings of U.S. government debt had increased to an all-time record of $1,696,691,000,000 as of the close of business on Wednesday.

The Fed's holdings of U.S. government debt have increased by 257 percent since President Barack Obama was first inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2009, and the Fed is currently the single largest holder of U.S. government debt.

As of the end of November, according to the U.S. Treasury, entities in Mainland China owned about $1,170,100,000,000 in U.S. government debt, making China the largest foreign holder of U.S. government debt.

When Obama was inaugurated in 2009, the Fed owned $475.322 billion in U.S. government debt. As of the close of business on Wednesday, Jan. 23, the Fed owned $1.696691 trillion in U.S. government debt, up $1.221369 trillion during Obama's first term.

Since Obama has been president, the publicly held portion of the U.S. government debt (as opposed to the "intragovernmental" deb the government has borrowed from federal trust funds such as the Social Security Trust Fund) has increased by $5,264,245,866,257.40. The $1.221369 in additional U.S. government debt the Fed has purchased during Obama's presidency equals 23 percent of all the new publicly held debt the Treasury has issued during that time.

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Light is alright.<br /><br />The end is just... the beginning   -soul surfer


Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: February/11/2013 at 13:52
While our country may look fine from the outside looking in. The moral decay, financial stupidity and control freak nature recently of our federal government.
We have seen this in history before... The Roman Empire.

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Light is alright.<br /><br />The end is just... the beginning   -soul surfer



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