OK, here is the follow up.
I contacted leapers and got very nice customer service and a replacement scope less than a week after I sent them mine.
In summary, the first one I had was fine, then after about 50 rounds it had knocked the recticle counter clockwise about thirty degrees.
I get mine today, mount it my my HK91 clone,
and I must have mounted it wrong.
I do it again,
and yep,
what do I get,
the reticle is already 10 degrees counterclockwise without having to fire a shot.
there is no cure as the mount is integral to the tube and it is not a matter of adjusting a scope in rings.
Now,
what kind of company makes a scope that knocks the reticle loose with 50 rounds of 7.62 in a semi auto? Not exactly a lot of recoil there.
well, anyone. some companies a lot less than others, but it could slip through with any company I guess.
Now, what kind of company has such poor quality control that it lets improperly set reticles out to the consumer?
well, again I guess anyone could let one slip.
Now,
what kind of company sends out a bad scope,
the second scope you see from them is bad,
and when you are sending a replacement for a screwed up scope don't
you think they would make sure its a good one??!!??
I admit the customer service was much friendlier, faster, and actually sent me a new scope as compared to BEC.
But....
that many features in a scope that cheap,
and you get what you pay for.
Now, I am not saying you have to buy the most expensive scope.
There has to be a point where what you spend gets you something high quality.
For example, you don't need to spend 5000$ on a rolex sub to get a good dive watch, there are plenty of awesome dive watches for 1000$. You can even spend 200$ on a seiko automatic diver, and be good to go.
Now, you spend less than that entry level seiko or citizen diver, or the same on some off brand with more features, and you are in trouble.
and that is what happens with trying to get a lot of features for cheap in a scope.
Now, I figure the SS, a nikon buckmaste mildot, a bushnell elite mildot, mueller, or a swift
is at the price point like a seiko diver,
you may not need the rolex,
but if you spend less than for the seiko diver or
spend the same as one but get a bunch of extra features,
you are going to be SOL.
let me sum it up for you-
cheap scopes- 7, taylor-1
BEC 3x9 rubber armored- adjusments no longer move reticle (lasted a handful of 7.62 rounds)
NC Star 4x BDC for AR15 Carry handle- canted reticle from 1st mounting (I may not have studied grad school level ballistics or have a PhD in physics, but I am pretty sure a BDC cam does not work quite right when the vertical crosshair is not vertical)
Leapers T168 6X- reticle knocked loose and turned counter clockwise
Leapers T168 6X- replacement scope under warranty, reticle canted from get go
two simmons model 51105 red dot scopes for "Shotgun, Rifle, and Handguns" that turn off when firing while mounted to a CAR15 (at least they work on my kid's .22s)
4x SKS top receiver mount that moves enough between shots to not hold a zero, (sure you have seen these- the movement is not the rings, it is the acutaly receiver top unit)
and,
the winner
a Target Sports 10x42 that came with rings, flip ups, and has held zero and not broke after 60 rounds of 300 winmag. (I got it to see if 10x fixed was cool for me, as a precursor to a SS)
so,
in contrast I have used some other scopes,
a 2.5 Banner on a varimit rifle over 25 years old and working fine,
a 30$ bushnell 4x sportview for over 16 years,
and a redfield wideview that spent over 30 years on a 30.06 with no problems.
why did these less than premium scopes work so long and so well-
because they offered nothing but the bare bones minimum for the price,
and did it as well as you can for the price.
the trend of the others, with the one exception (So Far) on my .300 winmag that is still doing fine, was that they offered a buch of stuff-
illuminated reticle,
BDC cam,
mounts, rings,
batteries,
many features,
etc. etc.
for a minimal price.
they do it all crappily,
thats why they were so cheap.
gas to the range, lost time mounting, wasted ammo zeroing, lost time redoing stuff,
postage for warranty replacement, all add up to this-
buy a good scope.
I have learned my lesson.
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