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Topic: Ruger No 1
Posted By: helo18
Subject: Ruger No 1
Date Posted: September/01/2012 at 21:13
I have wanted a single shot in either a break action or falling block for a few years.  What do you guys think of the Rugers?  How is the accuracy, quality, etc?  Not sure what caliber yet.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/01/2012 at 21:57
I have two... one .458 Lott, one .458WM.  They are both exceedingly accurate, very nice.  Among my favorite of rifles.  I am going to get one in 45-70.  That should round out my .45 caliber rifles.  I'm also thinking of a few others.  With a little practice, it is surprisingly fast to reload... surprisingly...

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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: September/01/2012 at 22:10
I was thinking either 25-06 or 300 WM to start.  More towards the 300.  

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To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

GEORGE WASHINGTON


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/01/2012 at 22:32
I would go for .300WM.  I'm actually thinking of getting one in .300H&H.  I like that caliber a lot...  Truthfully, the Ruger #1 seems a little wasted to me unless it is a MAGNUM caliber...
It has a wonder "feel", balance is amazing and recoil is not as heavy as expected...  If I could TRULY only have one rifle, I would have to go with the Ruger #1 .458 Lott.  "Guaranteed to knock down anything on the planet..."  Gotta love it...


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: September/01/2012 at 23:56
Interesting rifle. I have the opportunity to purchase one in 458WM for about $800. Not sure if that is a fair price or not. It is in good condition. For some reason I want it. I don't know why but I want it.


Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: September/02/2012 at 09:29
I only have one #1 left...it's a 300 H&H mag in the 1-S configuration...my favorite. Gotta love single shots and the #1 is elegant and functional. What's not to like? Good luck. 

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/02/2012 at 09:31
$800 is a "fair" price.  Not the best, not the worst...

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: September/02/2012 at 10:33
Thoughts on the 458WM cal?


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: September/02/2012 at 10:35
I picked my 45-70 up for $400 some years back. The trigger is nice and crisp and the quality is a notch up from my other Rugers.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/02/2012 at 10:45
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Thoughts on the 458WM cal?

With today's improved powders and bullets, the 458WM can finally nearly live up to it's promise... much better than in it's early years.  Ir is a reasonable dangerous game caliber and will certainly take anything on the North American continent...


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: September/02/2012 at 20:57
Thanks Kickboxer.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: September/02/2012 at 22:00
I'm a falling block SS slut.  My favorite  of the type is the Dakota Model 10, but the Ruger No 1 is very nice too.  To me, the No 1 isn't as sleek, graceful, or as well-balanced as the Model 10, nor does it have the fit, finish, and wood quality of the M10, but it's also 1/3 the price.

Ruger used to put a much higher grade of wood on their No1 than their other rifles, but it seems wood quality has declined in recent years, around the time they changed from the "red" recoil pad to the black pad and the change in checkering pattern shape in the buttstock grip.  You can still find the occasional No 1 with exceptional wood, but the average No 1 of current mfg has much plainer wood than they did 20-30 years ago.  I still love the No 1 regardless, with my favorite config being those with the more slender, shorter Alex Henry style forend rather than the wider beavertail forend.  The No 1 action has a solid feel and look to it, and working the lever gives you the impression of vault-like strength.

Accuracy of No 1s is a crapshoot.  They have better barrels now than they did 20+ years ago, once Ruger started hammer forging their own barrels rather than purchasing the barrel blanks.  So, my totally unscientific opinion is that they shoot better now than they used to.

The problem, if there is one, usually arises from the hammer spring hangar that the forend attaches to.  The forend can move around and apply pressure on the barrel and front of the receiver when shooting from a rest, to the detriment of precision.  The hangar is also the source of vibrations from the long spring driving the hammer that gets transmitted through the receiver and barrel.  The solution is to do a combination of bedding the forend to the hangar, sand the rear edge of the forend so there's slight clearance between it and the front of the receiver and makes sure the forend has "float" clearance between it and the barrel.  The other accurizing trick is to drill and tap a screw hole in the end of the hangar forward of the spring, and put a socket head set screw in the hangar to apply slight upward pressure against the barrel.  Then, you can "tune" barrel vibrations by varying the amount of upward pressure of the set screw.  I've personally done all of the above and can attest to accuracy improvements from these modifications.  I don't want to give the impression that these mods are needed on all No 1's because they certainly aren't, it's just that the design isn't without flaws.  I've shot plenty of No 1's that were superbly accurate right out of the box, namely a 1-V in 6mm Rem a buddy of mine had. 

More than anything, I just think the No 1 has a certain "cool factor" beyond its price tag.


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Posted By: tman1965
Date Posted: September/04/2012 at 17:35
IMO the Ruger #1 is an excellent rifle, and I don't think you will be the least bit sorry If you buy one. 

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Posted By: magshooter1
Date Posted: September/05/2012 at 07:42
Got 2 No. 1B's: a .270 Wtby. Mag. and a 6mm Rem. both are sub MOA rifles.

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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: September/05/2012 at 12:05
The single most accurate rifle I have ever had was my Ruger #1 300 Weatherby. I could start throwing some 200 accubond group sizes around, but it would be hard to believe, and it doesn't really matter. I sold it because I found a buyer that would pay way more than I did, and I thought I wanted a bolt gun. I was (am?) an idiot. I never should have sold that wonderful rifle. there are many great positives to the #1. They look great, they shoot great, they are sleek, they are compact even with long barrels, and you never have to worry about magazine size. Seat your pills out as far as you want.

Geez, this thread is depressing.

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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: September/05/2012 at 12:41
Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

The single most accurate rifle I have ever had was my Ruger #1 300 Weatherby. I could start throwing some 200 accubond group sizes around, but it would be hard to believe, and it doesn't really matter. I sold it because I found a buyer that would pay way more than I did, and I thought I wanted a bolt gun. I was (am?) an idiot. I never should have sold that wonderful rifle. there are many great positives to the #1. They look great, they shoot great, they are sleek, they are compact even with long barrels, and you never have to worry about magazine size. Seat your pills out as far as you want.

Geez, this thread is depressing.



LOL. I've bought and sold a few #1's myself. It is what it is. Don't beat yourself up too much. Wink


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If we're not suppose to eat animals...how come they're made of meat?
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Posted By: Sgt. D
Date Posted: September/05/2012 at 20:53
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

I would go for .300WM.  I'm actually thinking of getting one in .300H&H.  I like that caliber a lot...  Truthfully, the Ruger #1 seems a little wasted to me unless it is a MAGNUM caliber...
It has a wonder "feel", balance is amazing and recoil is not as heavy as expected...  If I could TRULY only have one rifle, I would have to go with the Ruger #1 .458 Lott.  "Guaranteed to knock down anything on the planet..."  Gotta love it...
 
ON BOTH ENDS RIGHT!! Crutch


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Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: September/05/2012 at 22:25
Roll on Floor Laughing

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/05/2012 at 22:45
A pleasant, rolling recoil... kind of like a nudge from a beautiful lady...

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: catch 22
Date Posted: September/10/2012 at 21:20
I love my number 1's. I have a Stainless/Walnut light sporter in 6.5x55 Swede that will shoot one ragged hole 5-6 shot groups. And I have a Stainless/laminate 1B in .270Win that is nearly as accurate but not near as pretty. My #1 Swede is the only rife I have that NOT for sale at any price.
 


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Posted By: miragetex
Date Posted: September/11/2012 at 01:00
I don't disagree with any of the comments about the Rugers, but would also suggest a glance at one of the Browning - Winchester models.  I have a pair of B78's, one in 22-250 with heavy round barrel and one in '06 with light octagon barrel.  The 22-250 is very accurate, and the '06 is accurate enough for any hunting purpose.  I mostly bought them because I got a good price, and thought (and still think) they are beautiful rifles.  Browning changed to the B85, but I'm not an expert on what changed (they look about the same). One thing I do notice - the stock design on the '06 causes it to deliver noticeably more recoil than other '06s, though it's not intolerable.  Obviously, that's not an issue on the 22-250.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the exposed hammer of the HiWall design and the graceful curve of the lever give it an elegance that few other rifles can match (although I admit the Ruger is also a handsome design). 


Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: September/11/2012 at 07:10
Originally posted by miragetex miragetex wrote:

I don't disagree with any of the comments about the Rugers, but would also suggest a glance at one of the Browning - Winchester models.  I have a pair of B78's, one in 22-250 with heavy round barrel and one in '06 with light octagon barrel.  The 22-250 is very accurate, and the '06 is accurate enough for any hunting purpose.  I mostly bought them because I got a good price, and thought (and still think) they are beautiful rifles.  Browning changed to the B85, but I'm not an expert on what changed (they look about the same). One thing I do notice - the stock design on the '06 causes it to deliver noticeably more recoil than other '06s, though it's not intolerable.  Obviously, that's not an issue on the 22-250.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but the exposed hammer of the HiWall design and the graceful curve of the lever give it an elegance that few other rifles can match (although I admit the Ruger is also a handsome design). 


+1. I too like the Browning versions...especially the B78. I just got one in 25-06 that is totally nice...good wood and feels great in hand. Beauty and functionality all in one. I was really trying to get a Dakota 10, but just could not swing the cost. The B-78 will do just fine!


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If we're not suppose to eat animals...how come they're made of meat?
               Anomymous


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: September/11/2012 at 18:20
http://www.bullberry.com/ - http://www.bullberry.com/   I went the Encore route with multiple barrels.  Knowing what I do now I would just buy only the Bullberry barrel and their fore end rather than suffering the TC brand barrels.
As for 300 WM while I own several I much prefer to reload 300WSM which has no belt on the magnum case the belt does not get resized which can be a problem with a tight chamber. If I were shooting factory ammo that would not be an issue but for me if I dont reload I cant afford to shoot.  I have had one Ruger #1 it was a stainless 30-06 and I was not impressed with its accuracy I would buy a Tikka instead if I wanted accuracy right out of the box or at least a Savage, but I do like the look and feel of the Ruger and it's an ejector rather than an extractor like the TC so a bit faster to load.


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: September/12/2012 at 21:16
Thanks guys.  I will take a look at the other stuff as well.

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To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

GEORGE WASHINGTON


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: September/14/2012 at 20:59
i just handled one in a .450 nitro today, it was a very nice rifle.

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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 14:25
Well, I did buy a Ruger No. 1   ...  today actually from our host here.

Ruger No. 1 Falling Block 
Action: Lever
Caliber: 7mm STW 
Overall Length: 44”
Barrel: 28” Custom Barrel by Pete Pieper 
Weight: 8.5lbs 
It also has a custom set trigger set right under 1 lb.

Now to send them the ffl and payment and the patiently wait.  Maybe they would even be nice enough to put a scope on for me.


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To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

GEORGE WASHINGTON


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 14:29
thats gonna be a nice long range elk killing mfer! nice drew!!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 14:35
I am hoping.  It is one of the few 7mm I have actually thought about.  Maybe because it is different.  Should be fun to play with and I hope to thump an elk with it at some point.

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To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

GEORGE WASHINGTON


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 14:41
now to buy some brass and dies for it

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 14:43
You better be glad I saw your name as the high bidder. I was gonna add that to the davis vault until I saw your name as the high bidder.  That was a smokin' deal!

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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 14:56
Thanks Graham. I actually couldn't believe it didn't go higher. Got it for less than others I looked at even after shipping and fees.

If you come out to Montana, I'll let you shoot it.

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To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

GEORGE WASHINGTON


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 15:10
Glad you got it and it will get use,  I woudl have just put it in there and probably not used it.

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 16:37
I will certainly use it.  If all falls in line I might even shoot a deer with it this year.

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To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

GEORGE WASHINGTON


Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 16:42
Good grab. The #1's are fine weapons to be sure. Excellent

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If we're not suppose to eat animals...how come they're made of meat?
               Anomymous


Posted By: tman1965
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 19:17
Congrats helo! Enjoy! Excellent

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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 19:43
Awesome.
 
This thread is still depressing, though.
 
Really Sad


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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 19:48
Why is that? I am even going down and going to pay them in person.

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To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

GEORGE WASHINGTON


Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 20:03
Because I am an idiot:
 
Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

The single most accurate rifle I have ever had was my Ruger #1 300 Weatherby. I could start throwing some 200 accubond group sizes around, but it would be hard to believe, and it doesn't really matter. I sold it because I found a buyer that would pay way more than I did, and I thought I wanted a bolt gun. I was (am?) an idiot. I never should have sold that wonderful rifle. there are many great positives to the #1. They look great, they shoot great, they are sleek, they are compact even with long barrels, and you never have to worry about magazine size. Seat your pills out as far as you want.

Geez, this thread is depressing.


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-Matt


Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 20:38
Ah I see.  I hope this one is that accurate.  Just have to decide on optics, bullets, powders, etc.

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To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

GEORGE WASHINGTON


Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: October/19/2012 at 22:07
Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

Ah I see.  I hope this one is that accurate.  Just have to decide on optics, bullets, powders, etc.
Ah geez ... what a chore.
 
Boo Hoo


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-Matt


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: October/20/2012 at 19:36
Get to play with scopes while you're there.

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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: October/20/2012 at 21:04
I'd look real hard at the used Conquest with Rapid Z 800 I have one and like it a lot.
SPL16818 http://www.samplelist.com/Zeiss-45-14x44-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P58476.aspx -
http://www.samplelist.com/Assets/ProductImages/SPL16818.jpg">Click to view 5214309972, Matte, Rapid Z 800, 1"
$649.95


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: October/20/2012 at 21:38
Drew, I have a 7mmSTW (was going to bid on the one you got until I saw you were after it).  Truly, an OUTSTANDING caliber/cartridge.  One of the most accurate I have ever fired...
I've put three rounds in 0.74 in at 500 yards with it.  Fairly rapid fire, uncorrected for wind.  Mine is a Win Model 70, pre-64 action Laredo, but the whole 7mmSTW concept is awesome.  Lots of room to experiment with loads, super ballistics, lots of bullet weights/type to play with.  Of course, there was once a guy who loaded all my exotic stuff for me.  He got a divorce and I have not heard from him since.  He was a great munitions maker AND a great shooter.  I really miss him, wonder what happened to him. 
Anyway, I KNOW you are going to love that rifle.  If you ever have any accuracy problems, PM me.  There are some fairly easy fixes available for Ruger #1.  You may never hunt with anything else again.


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: October/21/2012 at 07:52
Thanks for letting me walk away with it KB.  I am hoping that with the work that has been done on the gun already I won't have to do anything to it, but I may call anyway.  I will say that the STW is one of the few 7mm rounds that I have even considered.  I have a hard time thinking it will displace my love for the 300 Mag, but it might if it is as good as you say.

Right now I am looking at the 160 gr and up bullets.  I would love to see if I could push a 175 @ 3000+ out of that 28" tube.  I need Trigger29 to make me a few bullets for it.

As for a scope, not sure yet, but I am sure SWFA will get me hooked up right.  Maybe it is time for a Z6 or equivalent.


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To be prepared for War is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.

GEORGE WASHINGTON


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: October/21/2012 at 20:15
Originally posted by helo18 helo18 wrote:

Well, I did buy a Ruger No. 1   ...  today actually from our host here.

Ruger No. 1 Falling Block 
Action: Lever
Caliber: 7mm STW 
Overall Length: 44”
Barrel: 28” Custom Barrel by Pete Pieper 
Weight: 8.5lbs 
It also has a custom set trigger set right under 1 lb.

Now to send them the ffl and payment and the patiently wait.  Maybe they would even be nice enough to put a scope on for me.


Cool!

Incidentally, I know Pete.  He lives about 30 miles from me, in Hempstead, TX.  He's a really nice guy and does good work.  I had him do some barrel work for me a year ago.



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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.



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