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Topic: Magnum Cartridge Scopes
Posted By: eclipsed
Subject: Magnum Cartridge Scopes
Date Posted: September/29/2011 at 01:27
First time poster.

I am looking for a scope with First Focal Plane and a mil-dot style reticle. (I don't like tactical win/elev knobs) This will be going on a .300 Win Mag and I am concerned about the scope lasting/holding zero through heavy recoil.

Question:
Does anyone have any experience with these scopes or have any info on how well they withstand magnum calipers?

I have been looking at:
http://swfa.com/Weaver-4-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P40579.aspx - Weaver 4-20x50 Tactical 30mm Rifle Scope
http://swfa.com/Weaver-4-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P40579.aspx
http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-16x50-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44561.aspx - Vortex 4-16x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope  
http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-16x50-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44561.aspx

Background:
Have an old Weaver scope, very clear and sharp, clean design no tactical knobs, fixed power.  
I have looked through the vortex Viper (except it had a SFP) it was good but not excellent. Glass was good  but didnt care for the design to much. Have shot a new .300 win mag with a new Vortex Diamondback. So new that it reliability has not been tested. 


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Replies:
Posted By: brodeur272
Date Posted: September/29/2011 at 05:24
Have you looked at the Super Sniper 3-9x42?  I believe it has the FFP and mil dot.  Some of the members have them.  I'm sure they can provide some insight.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: September/29/2011 at 07:17
I have the SS 3-9 on my 300 win mag currently.  Stuck it on there while I used the SS 5-20 that normally rides it on the Blaser to test.  The SS 3-9 is, IMO, the best 3-9 out there for all around use.  The turrets don't move when you don't want them too but if you wanted to dial in you could, easily.  The reticle matches the adjustments, Mil/Mil.  The glass is superb for the money.  They are tough as nails, and have proven reliable and repeatable. 


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: September/29/2011 at 08:36
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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/29/2011 at 08:50
He said he didn't like tactical-style knobs...

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Posted By: eclipsed
Date Posted: September/30/2011 at 08:20
Thanks for the info on the SS I'll have to remember that they come highly recommended by their sponsors. Wink  I looked at them but I wasn't sure on their quality and I would like more power than the 3-9 and the  5-20 one is out of my price range.

Anyone know of the durability of the Weaver?


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/30/2011 at 08:58
Weaver has been through a number of owners and experienced a number of "ups and downs" in quality.  You stand about equal chance of getting a good one or a bad one... perhaps leaning a little more toward probability of good these days.  
Interesting that you don't like tactical style knobs and yet both the scopes you are considering... have them...
The Vortex Viper PST has gotten some pretty good press, though it has not been around long enough to determine its durability.  

Given the choice, I would select NEITHER of the two you mention.  I kind of like the IOR 2.5-10, but that's me.  It will take you out to 1000m pretty handily, if that's where you are going.  The MP-8 reticle is pretty nice.  

I would also check the samplelist.  
SPL12839 http://www.samplelist.com/Zeiss-45-14x44-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-DEMO-B-P1544.aspx - Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope DEMO-B
http://www.samplelist.com/Assets/ProductImages/spl12839.jpg">Click to view 5214309943, Matte, Mil-Dot, 1"
$649.95
You have a number of options available.  


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: cj17
Date Posted: September/30/2011 at 12:40
Is that Conquest FFP?


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: September/30/2011 at 14:45
Originally posted by cj17 cj17 wrote:

Is that Conquest FFP?
 
SFP


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Posted By: cj17
Date Posted: September/30/2011 at 15:18
I didn't think it was FFP which was on the OP's spec list.


Posted By: eclipsed
Date Posted: October/01/2011 at 18:34
I finally got a  replay back from Weaver.

"Hello, all weaver scopes are test with at least a .375 H&H mag. Warranty covers holding zero.

Kevin Habhegger
 ATK Technical Services"


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: October/01/2011 at 19:05
Originally posted by eclipsed eclipsed wrote:

First time poster.

I am looking for a scope with First Focal Plane and a mil-dot style reticle. (I don't like tactical win/elev knobs) This will be going on a .300 Win Mag and I am concerned about the scope lasting/holding zero through heavy recoil.
 
 
OK While M3 knobs are actually tactical knobs they are low profile with one moa clicks and come with a knob for 300 Win Mag 190gr Federal Match Hollowpoints marked in meters. Put it on 5 its dead on at 500 meters.   These scopes are designed for military and police use.
http://leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/mark-4-lrt-riflescopes/mark-4-3-5-10x40mm-lrt-m3-front-focal/ - http://leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/mark-4-lrt-riflescopes/mark-4-3-5-10x40mm-lrt-m3-front-focal/
http://swfa.com/Leupold-35-10x40-Mark-4-LRT-30mm-Riflescope-P3320.aspx">Leupold 3.5-10x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/leupold_mil-dot_popup.jpg">Mil-Dot http://swfa.com/Leupold-35-10x40-Mark-4-LRT-30mm-Riflescope-P3320.aspx - Leupold 3.5-10x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU58860
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • M3 Target Knobs
  • First Focal Plane Reticle
  • Free Leupold Flip-Open Lens Covers
$1,599.95 


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: October/01/2011 at 19:12
http://swfa.com/Sightron-45-14x44-SII-Big-Sky-Riflescope-P11096.aspx">Sightron 4.5-14x44 SII Big Sky Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/sightron_mildot_popup.jpg">Mil-Dot http://swfa.com/Sightron-45-14x44-SII-Big-Sky-Riflescope-P11096.aspx - Sightron 4.5-14x44 SII Big Sky Riflescope
Stock # - SIIBSS451444MD
  • Matte
  • Mil-Dot
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Target Knobs
  • Comes with Sun Shade
$624.95 
Here we have a mil dot reticle some low profile knobs but no FFP


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
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Texas Ranger


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: October/01/2011 at 19:16
Now I will show you what I put on MY 300WM and 300WSM guns.
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-45-14x44-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-P8671.aspx">Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope http://swfa.com/images/zeiss_rz800_popup.jpg">Rapid Z 800 http://swfa.com/Zeiss-45-14x44-Conquest-Rifle-Scope-P8671.aspx - Zeiss 4.5-14x44 Conquest Rifle Scope
Stock # - ZEI5214309972
  • Matte
  • Rapid Z 800
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
  • Etched Glass
  • 2nd Plane
  • Mail-In http://www.zeiss.com/C12568CF00206298/GraphikTitelIntern/RapidZCoupon/$File/RapidZCoupon.jpg - $50 Rebate
$874.95 
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P50662.aspx">SWFA SS 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/ss_illum_miquad_popup.jpg"> http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P50662.aspx - SWFA SS 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SSHD520X50MQ
  • Patented First Focal Plane Illuminated Mil-Quad Reticle
  • 30mm
  • HD Model
  • Locking Ocular Adjustment
  • 0.1 Mrad Elevation & Windage
  • 10 Mils Per Revolution
  • 30 Mils Of Total Travel
  • Side Focus
$1,499.95 
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P41044.aspx">SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/ss_mildot_popup.jpg">Mil-Dot http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-9x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P41044.aspx - SWFA SS 3-9x42 Tactical 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - SS39X42
  • Matte
  • First Focal Plane Mil-Dot
  • 30mm
  • OK for .50 cal
  • 0.1 MRAD
$599.95 
http://swfa.com/Leupold-35-10x40-Mark-4-LRT-30mm-Riflescope-P3317.aspx">Leupold 3.5-10x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope http://swfa.com/images/leupold_tmr_popup.jpg">TMR http://swfa.com/Leupold-35-10x40-Mark-4-LRT-30mm-Riflescope-P3317.aspx - Leupold 3.5-10x40 Mark 4 LR/T 30mm Riflescope
Stock # - LEU60030
  • Matte
  • Tactical Milling Reticle
  • 30mm
  • Side Focus
  • M1 Target Knobs
  • First Focal Plane Reticle
  • Free Leupold Flip-Open Lens Covers
$1,499.95 


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger



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