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Topic: BORKA TOOLS Multi Torque & Adjustable Drivers
Posted By: Brady
Subject: BORKA TOOLS Multi Torque & Adjustable Drivers
Date Posted: August/23/2011 at 14:20
Borka Tools
Multi torque and adjustable torque drivers for scope mounting and firearms action screws.
 
Here's a new line we just picked up that offers a very high quality and adjustable torqe driver.
 
Video review by Frank galli of Snipershide.com.
 

http://swfa.com/Borka-Tools-MG5-Multi-Torque-Driver-Kit-P51649.aspx -

Stock # - BORMG5

MG5 driver kit, includes MTD-15x72-12FS-MG driver, TAB GEAR pouch and extra Sniper RifleAccessories:

  • A. 2" long bit holder (Autolock extension or secondary driver spindle)
  • B. 1/4" hex (male) drive to 1/4" square (male) drive adapter
  • C. 1/4" square (female) drive to 3/8" square (male) drive adapter
  • D. Compact 1/4" hex ratchet wrench
  • E. 1/2" hex socket with 1/4" square drive
  • F. 3 1/2" long custom 3/16" hex bit for AICS action screws
  • G. Hex: 3/32", 7/64", 9/64", 5/32", 3/16", 3 mm, 5 mm
  • H. Custom 3/16" hex AICS action screws bit (not pictured)
  • I. Total of 18 bits (1/4" hex, S2 steel) in 2 compact bit organizers:
    • Torx: T-10, T-15, T-20, T25, T-30
    • Slotted: 4.5 mm, 7 mm
    • Phillips: #1, #2
  • Specifications of Borka Tools multi torque driver:

    • Made in the U.S.A. _______ Patent pending.
    • 12 fixed torque settings: 15,18,21,24,27,30,36,43,50,57,65,72 inch-lbs.
    • Torque settings calibration accuracy: +/- 4%
    • Materials: stainless steel, alloy steel, structural polymer
    • Warranty: 1 year limited, parts and labor
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    http://swfa.com/Borka-Tools-MG3-Multi-Torque-Driver-Kit-P51012.aspx -

    Stock # - BORMG3

    MG3 driver kit, includes ATD-15x72-12FS-MG driver and 2 adapters:

    • A. 1/4" hex (male) to 1/4" square (male)
    • B. 1/4" square (female) to 3/8" square (male)

    Specifications of Borka Tools multi torque driver:

    • Made in the U.S.A. _______ Patent pending.
    • 12 fixed torque settings: 15,18,21,24,27,30,36,43,50,57,65,72 inch-lbs.
    • Torque settings calibration accuracy: +/- 4%
    • Materials: stainless steel, alloy steel, structural polymer
    • Warranty: 1 year limited, parts and labor
     
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    The new MG5 kit now includes this custom 3/16" hex AICS action screws bit.
     
    If you already have a Borka kit the bit can be purchased seperately here:
    http://swfa.com/Borka-Tools-AICS-316-Hex-Screwdriver-Bit-P51650.aspx - http://swfa.com/Borka-Tools-AICS-316-Hex-Screwdriver-Bit-P51650.aspx
     



    Replies:
    Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
    Date Posted: August/23/2011 at 14:26
    Good piece of gear!

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    Posted By: Brady
    Date Posted: August/23/2011 at 14:36


    Posted By: GetSome
    Date Posted: August/23/2011 at 18:54
    Dangit, seems I am always one step ahead of you SWFA guys.... of course it's in a bad way... I just picked up the Wheeler Fat Wrench, which I never would have bought if you guys were stocking these.  Next time I need something, I'll just wait a week and you guys will start offering it haha.  All kidding aside, looks like a great product, and I will be getting one from you guys, I just might have to wait a bit.

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    Posted By: lucytuma
    Date Posted: August/23/2011 at 19:31
    Pretty neat!

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    Posted By: Kickboxer
    Date Posted: August/23/2011 at 20:18
    Anything that says "do not attempt to disassemble due to dangerous spring pre-loads" I gotta have....
    Brady, send me one... CFII has my info.


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    Posted By: koshkin
    Date Posted: August/25/2011 at 17:23
    I have one of these kits (picked it up from Borka Tools during SHOT) and it absolutely rocks.

    ILya


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    Posted By: Stud Duck
    Date Posted: August/26/2011 at 06:36
    Just purchased this kit a month or so ago; Top-of-the-line gear.


    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: August/27/2011 at 02:01
    I'm very delighted that SWFA decided to offer my tools to its customers and joined the ranks of Borka Tools authorized dealers.
     
    Brady did a terrific job on Borka Tools product page, and I got to admit that I was also very pleased by the speed and effectiviness of our communication.
     
    Boris
    Borka Tools
     


    Posted By: billyburl2
    Date Posted: August/27/2011 at 09:07
    Welcome to the OT!

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    Posted By: Kickboxer
    Date Posted: August/27/2011 at 10:06
    Got mine in the mail yesterday.  I've readjusted most of my scopes and bases.  I like it a lot...

    Well worth the money.  It is far less cumbersome than the Wheeler torque driver.  

    Good investment in a great shop and field tool.




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    Posted By: koshkin
    Date Posted: August/27/2011 at 12:46
    Originally posted by kortik kortik wrote:

    I'm very delighted that SWFA decided to offer my tools to its customers and joined the ranks of Borka Tools authorized dealers.
     
    Brady did a terrific job on Borka Tools product page, and I got to admit that I was also very pleased by the speed and effectiviness of our communication.
     
    Boris
    Borka Tools
     

    Welcome to the forum, Boris!

    ILya


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    Posted By: jonoMT
    Date Posted: August/27/2011 at 13:44
    Boris, you really had some insight inventing this tool. I've always been skeptical of adjustable torque wrenches and have invested in one Seekonk 65 in. lb. wrench. They're one of the best but are heavy and I've never felt inclined to drop the coin on another to do scope rings and bases although it would be a good idea.

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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: August/27/2011 at 23:31
    Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

    Welcome to the OT!
    Thank you very much.


    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: August/27/2011 at 23:33
    Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

    Originally posted by kortik kortik wrote:

    I'm very delighted that SWFA decided to offer my tools to its customers and joined the ranks of Borka Tools authorized dealers.
     
    Brady did a terrific job on Borka Tools product page, and I got to admit that I was also very pleased by the speed and effectiviness of our communication.
     
    Boris
    Borka Tools
     

    Welcome to the forum, Boris!

    ILya
     
    Hello, ILya
     
    Thanks a lot, my friend.
     
    Boris
     


    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: August/27/2011 at 23:55
    Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

    Boris, you really had some insight inventing this tool. I've always been skeptical of adjustable torque wrenches and have invested in one Seekonk 65 in. lb. wrench. They're one of the best but are heavy and I've never felt inclined to drop the coin on another to do scope rings and bases although it would be a good idea.
     
    Thank you for your kind words. I really can not claim any especially deep knowledge of torque products, although since I've started Borka Tools, I did accumilate some of it. Current multi torque driver design is more like a product of a common sense in engineering, which I try to practice.  Also, I do not typically fight the technical problems if I run into them, instead, I put the whole design concept on hold even if one major component is not to my liking, and start all over again. So, at the end of the day, I've had several very different designs to choose from, and current multi torque driver design appeared to comply with specific objectives.
     
    I agree with you that adjustable torque driver of mechanical type, which relies on spring characteristics only to output torque values in a wide range, has its limitations both in accuracy and consistency, and is also subject to some operator's error, so all my efforts went into the concept of  "fixed" (preset) torque tools right from the start.   


    Posted By: jonoMT
    Date Posted: September/15/2011 at 09:35
    I just got one of these yesterday. The Borka is great...just for its versatility alone compared to a fixed-weight torque wrench. If I was an armorer or gunsmith I'd have an array of Seekonks sitting on my bench, but I'm a value-oriented guy. Yet until this tool came out I just couldn't bring myself to trust a variable torque wrench. If you know anything about torque wrenches in general, even really good ones come with an advisory that they are only accurate within a percentage of the setting, e.g. +- 4%

    I was surprised to see that I haven't even been tightening my rings to the bases @ the recommended 50-55 in-lbs. I took them up to 50. I also loosened and re-tightened my cap screws to 21. So now I not only know that my action screws are set to the same setting each time, but have a reliable tool for ring and base mounting.

    A really nice thing about using a torque wrench, especially screwing steel into aluminum (!!!), is you can't go too far and strip threads. I also like knowing that all the screws are tightened the same amount. The only possible shortcoming of the Borka is that unlike the Seekonk you can't back screws out with it, at least according to the warning printed in bold, red type stating that the driver is for tightening right-hand fasteners only. I don't see what it would hurt to just hold the metal bar end though and loosen the screw without involving the spring-loaded handle.Perhaps kortik can weigh in on that.


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    Posted By: SVT_Tactical
    Date Posted: September/15/2011 at 09:47
    Anyone compared the Borka to the wheeler adjustable?  Should I go aheand and swap?


    Posted By: FireEMT5
    Date Posted: September/15/2011 at 10:28
    I own both.  The wheeler gets used on stuff I don't give a damn about.  If it's gun related, Borka all the way. 
     
    The Borka SRA kit is more accurate and repeatable - checked against a Snap-On in/lb. torque wrench that had been recently calibrated.
     
    The wheeler did and does work, but mine is off on it's calibration.  This is one of those times where you do get what you pay for.
     
    You can use the Borka kit for loosening - I use the mini ratchet that came with the kit all the time, and have used the torque bar for loosening as well.  I believe that the printed warning refers to the fact that it will only be accurate to the stated value when turning in a tightening motion.  Boris will have to verify.
     
    This is a great piece of kit.  Well thought out, simple, durable, and packable.   The TAB Gear roll up pouch is great also.  I have the SRA Kit, plus a few more bits that I added and it all fits nicely.
     
    This is a fine example of you can pay more, but you can't buy better.  When you consider all the torque values you cover with this kit, compared to the individual seekonk wrenches the Borka's value becomes readily apparent.
     
    After using my Borka SRA for several months now, I'd buy another without a second thought.


    Posted By: jonoMT
    Date Posted: September/15/2011 at 12:04
    In hindsight, I might have gotten the full kit, but have so many of the bits already. The mini-ratchet would have been about the only extra I'd want. The wording in the warning is understandable, but perhaps Boris could add one more line, saying "If you need to loosen a fastener, hold only the bar-end or use another tool."

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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: September/17/2011 at 00:23
    Gentlemen,
     
    Just a brief clarification about the warning not to use torque driver as a general purpose T-handle:
     
    Vast majority of the customers, including you, would not be likely trying to unscrew some much larger fasteners, originally installed with lots of torque.  However there is always a possibility that some of the customers may attempt to do it. 1/4" hex drive has its limitations, typically, it works real well up to 200 inch-lbs. Larger torque may cause damage to this relatively small size drive. On the tightening side, driver does not let the user to exceed 72 inch-lbs., and fully protects 1/4" hex drive from any serious damage. However, if somebody, who is really strong and determined, grabs the driver by the metal arm and attempts to remove some "frozen" fastener, say, larger that 1/4"-20, the value of the torque required to accomplish this task may easily exceed 200 inch-lbs.
     
    Also, fasteners, even small size ones,  installed with thread lockers (Loctite and other brands) may be much harder to remove in principle. If you happen to run into the need to remove such fasteners, please use either L-shaped allen hex key, Mountz mini ratchet or other similar tool.
     
    People with understanding, like youself, can certainly use the torque driver to remove fasteners installed with use of the same (or similar) torque driver (wrench), by holding it by the metal arm itself, without any issues. I do include Mountz mini ratchet wrench in MG3-SRA to speed up the process in general and to "protect" 1/4" hex holes of the torque driver from excessive stress if somebody decides to remove fasteners installed with much higher torque  than my driver is designed for.  So, this warning is included, let's say, just in case...
     
    Boris
     
            


    Posted By: Kickboxer
    Date Posted: September/17/2011 at 11:10
    Originally posted by FireEMT5 FireEMT5 wrote:

    I own both.  The wheeler gets used on stuff I don't give a damn about.  If it's gun related, Borka all the way. 
     
    The Borka SRA kit is more accurate and repeatable - checked against a Snap-On in/lb. torque wrench that had been recently calibrated.
     
    The wheeler did and does work, but mine is off on it's calibration.  This is one of those times where you do get what you pay for.
     
    You can use the Borka kit for loosening - I use the mini ratchet that came with the kit all the time, and have used the torque bar for loosening as well.  I believe that the printed warning refers to the fact that it will only be accurate to the stated value when turning in a tightening motion.  Boris will have to verify.
     
    This is a great piece of kit.  Well thought out, simple, durable, and packable.   The TAB Gear roll up pouch is great also.  I have the SRA Kit, plus a few more bits that I added and it all fits nicely.
     
    This is a fine example of you can pay more, but you can't buy better.  When you consider all the torque values you cover with this kit, compared to the individual seekonk wrenches the Borka's value becomes readily apparent.
     
    After using my Borka SRA for several months now, I'd buy another without a second thought.

    I have a Wheeler and have used it for years quite successfully.  I have checked calibration regularly and it has always been within spec, actually, until recently, better than spec.  It has degraded to +/- 1inlb in the last year.  Still spec... nothing wrong with Wheeler.  I do like the Borka as a "bag unit" better, though.  It is more useful as a field tool.  


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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: September/18/2011 at 20:30
    Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

    Originally posted by FireEMT5 FireEMT5 wrote:

    I own both.  The wheeler gets used on stuff I don't give a damn about.  If it's gun related, Borka all the way. 
     
    The Borka SRA kit is more accurate and repeatable - checked against a Snap-On in/lb. torque wrench that had been recently calibrated.
     
    The wheeler did and does work, but mine is off on it's calibration.  This is one of those times where you do get what you pay for.
     
    You can use the Borka kit for loosening - I use the mini ratchet that came with the kit all the time, and have used the torque bar for loosening as well.  I believe that the printed warning refers to the fact that it will only be accurate to the stated value when turning in a tightening motion.  Boris will have to verify.
     
    This is a great piece of kit.  Well thought out, simple, durable, and packable.   The TAB Gear roll up pouch is great also.  I have the SRA Kit, plus a few more bits that I added and it all fits nicely.
     
    This is a fine example of you can pay more, but you can't buy better.  When you consider all the torque values you cover with this kit, compared to the individual seekonk wrenches the Borka's value becomes readily apparent.
     
    After using my Borka SRA for several months now, I'd buy another without a second thought.

    ......I do like the Borka as a "bag unit" better, though.  It is more useful as a field tool.  
     
    That was in the purpose of the design - to make a "bag unit", field tool... No more, no less.
    Thank you for clearly expressing the rational behind Borka products. 


    Posted By: stickbow46
    Date Posted: October/04/2011 at 17:04
    Welcome to the OT!
     
    Thanks for all the info & assistance.


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    Posted By: Brady
    Date Posted: December/22/2011 at 10:43
    Original post has been updated with the new MG5 kit and the new Custom 3/16" hex AICS action screws bit.
     
    Brady


    Posted By: cheaptrick
    Date Posted: December/23/2011 at 15:20
    Just ordered mine! 

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    Posted By: coyote95
    Date Posted: January/26/2012 at 18:34
    What a great tool. I got to use mine today mounting base, rings and scope to rifle.It worked like a charm.... I really like the idea that bits are held in place while using and all parts in the MG5 kit look to be quality stuffThunbs Up

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    Posted By: cheaptrick
    Date Posted: February/02/2012 at 04:44
    Help me out here....Bucky

    There's 2 sides to the bar. One side has a torque value of 36 in pound, the opposite "hole" on the other side is 15 in pounds, I think. 
    How does the tool "know" which torque value it's using??  


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    Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
    Date Posted: February/02/2012 at 06:37
    Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

    I have a Wheeler and have used it for years quite successfully.  I have checked calibration regularly and it has always been within spec, actually, until recently, better than spec.  It has degraded to +/- 1inlb in the last year.  Still spec... nothing wrong with Wheeler.  I do like the Borka as a "bag unit" better, though.  It is more useful as a field tool.  
     
    I know this is an old post, but I have checked my Fatwrench often, and recently, and it is dead nuts on its torque settings.  I know that several Fatwrenches have often gone out of spec because they were stored with a load on the spring.  They need to to be stored without a load.


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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: February/02/2012 at 20:30
    There are probably tens, if not hundreds of millions of pre-set torque drivers, all of which have spring compressed to a certain value (pre-loaded), and they work just fine for many years. Valve springs in car engines are heavily compressed, stay like this for decades and in addition, work for hundreds of millionds of cycles. What I'm saying is that leaving spring compressed can not do any harm unless spring is compresssed to nearly solid height for several years, in which case, there may be indeed something happening which spring engineers call "spring relaxion" - spring looses some portion of intital spring rate, typpically between 5 to 10% in several years. Of course, FAT wrench, being made in China, probably has an extremely high quality spring inside Eek, which needs to be treated in some special ways to work right. Springs made in some less sophisticated, then China, countries, can be left compressed with no loss of accuracy.  Also, I'm exicted to hear that China FAT wrench is accurate within +/-1 inch-lbs. for all torque settings from 10 to 65 inch-lbs.  I'll gladly pay $5,000 to anybody who can submit at least 2 independent third party reports confirming that, because  I can then sell these reports to Chinese maker of FAT wrench for $50,000. They'll pay any kind of money to hear they make the most accurate torque tool in the world...
      


    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: February/02/2012 at 21:10
    To the owners of FAT wrench, who claim their wrench to be within +/- 1 inch lbs. for any settings from 10 to 65 inch-lbs. -
     
    I was unlucky not to be able to come across anything like that. As an engineer who does torque tools for living, I think it is not feasible. But, I may be wrong, so 
     
    here is my bet:
     
    Send me your FAT torque wrench, I will then send it to Mountz, Inc in CA, the leader in industrial torque tools, to use their very sophisticated lab, compliant with all world standards, to check for deviation of torque output between 10 and 65 inch-lbs. If you happen to have a FAT torque wrench with just +/- 1 inch-pound deviation for any torque setting from 10 to 65 inch-lbs., I'll buy your torque wrench for $1000. If your torque wrench is not that accurate, and deviation for any setting between 10 and 65 inch-lbs, is more than +/- 1 inch-lbs., you will get your wrench back, but only if you pay $125 cost for the lab check, which would be my cost of doing this procedure at Mountz. 
     
    Results of this lab check will be published in public, with reference to the actual owner of the wrench and with full disclosure of all technical details.
     
    Anybody wants to take this bet?
     
        


    Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
    Date Posted: February/02/2012 at 21:23
    Originally posted by kortik kortik wrote:

    There are probably tens, if not hundreds of millions of pre-set torque drivers, all of which have spring compressed to a certain value (pre-loaded), and they work just fine for many years. Valve springs in car engines are heavily compressed, stay like this for decades and in addition, work for hundreds of millionds of cycles. What I'm saying is that leaving spring compressed can not do any harm unless spring is compresssed to nearly solid height for several years, in which case, there may be indeed something happening which spring engineers call "spring relaxion" - spring looses some portion of intital spring rate, typpically between 5 to 10% in several years. Of course, FAT wrench, being made in China, probably has an extremely high quality spring inside Eek, which needs to be treated in some special ways to work right. Springs made in some less sophisticated, then China, countries, can be left compressed with no loss of accuracy.  Also, I'm exicted to hear that China FAT wrench is accurate within +/-1 inch-lbs. for all torque settings from 10 to 65 inch-lbs.  I'll gladly pay $5,000 to anybody who can submit at least 2 independent third party reports confirming that, because  I can then sell these reports to Chinese maker of FAT wrench for $50,000. They'll pay any kind of money to hear they make the most accurate torque tool in the world...
      
     
    My post was not meant to put down the Borka tools.  I had, in fact, planned on purchasing some myself.  My post was to confirm, that in my experience, with my fatwrench, I have had very good luck.  My gun-nut buddy has a Snap On QD150, which is supposed to be pretty accurate, and is in line with my fatwrench.  I have had it for four years.  It has been a good product for me, regardless of where it was made.  Is it as good as the Snap On or Borka, probably not.
     
    You forgot to mention magazine springs.  They can stay compressed for decades without ill effects.
     
     
    EDIT:
     
    I had this reply window open while you posted your other "bet" post.  I like that post a lot.  That is putting your money (and products) where your mouth is.  I can't take your bet, as I don't know if mine is that accurate or not (we compare in 5 in. pound increments against the Snap On -  maybe that is too course, but it is good enough to me), but I will send you my fatwrench if you want to have it tested for your own promotional material, at your expense, and you could let everybody know how it turned out.  It seems like mine is a pretty good one.


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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: February/02/2012 at 22:26
    Matt,
     
    I mean no offense, of course.... Just was having a little fun, but on a serious note, and after spending some time researching torqgue tools, some things become pretty evident. You're right of course, about mag. springs.
     
    I do not need to take down FAT to promote my tools. It's just this itch of the enginner, you know. We're like pigs, like to roll in a mud sometimes...
     
    In my observations, it's practically impossible to have spring based adjustable torque driver with +/1 inch-lbs. or less deviation for the whole range from 10 to 65 inch-lbs., made in China, Germany or anywhere else... The reason that it is imposiible is simple - linearity of the compression spring, which is limited, say, to decent one only between 25% and 75 % of the load. Which is 1:3 ratio for a decent linearity relative to the load. 10 to 65 is 1:6.5 ratio. Not going to be linear, deviation will vary considerably between low, middle and high settings.
     
    But if somebody does have one THAT accurate FAT wrench, I would like to have this "abnormality" as a collectors item. But I do not believe my 1000 bucks is in danger...
     
    I'll check with Mountz, if they agree to check out your torque wrench for free, I'll take your offer.
     
     
     
     
    The reason that it is imposiible is simple - linearity of the spring.  
     


    Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
    Date Posted: February/02/2012 at 23:09
    Excellent.

    PM me if you want to set it up. I would be very curious about the results. Do you have results on the accuracy of the Borka already? If not, a head-to-head comparison would be great, as the FATwrench is a commonly purchased tool.

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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: February/03/2012 at 01:18
    O.K., sounds like a good idea.
     
    Will get back to you thru PM when/if Mountz gives O.K.
     
    Boris
     


    Posted By: Voodoo6
    Date Posted: February/03/2012 at 04:24
    Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

    Help me out here....Bucky

    There's 2 sides to the bar. One side has a torque value of 36 in pound, the opposite "hole" on the other side is 15 in pounds, I think. 
    How does the tool "know" which torque value it's using??  

    I don't get this either. Big Grin


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    Posted By: koshkin
    Date Posted: February/03/2012 at 11:29
    Originally posted by Voodoo6 Voodoo6 wrote:

    Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

    Help me out here....Bucky

    There's 2 sides to the bar. One side has a torque value of 36 in pound, the opposite "hole" on the other side is 15 in pounds, I think. 
    How does the tool "know" which torque value it's using??  

    I don't get this either. Big Grin

    Whichever number is facing toward whatever it is your tightening is the number that the tool is using. 
    It is in the instructions.
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    Posted By: cheaptrick
    Date Posted: February/03/2012 at 11:35
    Right, I get that, but wouldn't it be the same torque value?? (I know it's not.)

    It's a great piece of kit! I mounted a scope, and checked the action screws on my Remington.   


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    Posted By: koshkin
    Date Posted: February/03/2012 at 11:41
    Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

    Right, I get that, but wouldn't it be the same torque value?? (I know it's not.)

    It's a great piece of kit! I mounted a scope, and checked the action screws on my Remington.   

    Keep in mind that when you are tightening something, you are applying clockwise tangential pressure onto the groove on the torque wrench handle.  If you flip the torque wrench so that the other set of numbers is facing toward the fastener, you the same clockwise pressure is now trying to bend the torque wrench in a different direction (since you just flipped it), right?

    ILya


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    Posted By: cheaptrick
    Date Posted: February/03/2012 at 11:47
    Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

    Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

    Right, I get that, but wouldn't it be the same torque value?? (I know it's not.)

    It's a great piece of kit! I mounted a scope, and checked the action screws on my Remington.   

    Keep in mind that when you are tightening something, you are applying clockwise tangential pressure onto the groove on the torque wrench handle.  If you flip the torque wrench so that the other set of numbers is facing toward the fastener, you the same clockwise pressure is now trying to bend the torque wrench in a different direction (since you just flipped it), right?

    ILya

    Ah so.....Bucky
    Your so smart. 


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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: February/03/2012 at 12:45
    Just to add a bit to what Ilya said:
     
    Hold the torque driver in your hand and so that you see one side of driver arm with 6 torque settings, laser marked on that side. Apply force clockwise to the handle finger groove until handle "breaks over".
    Now, do the same, but hold the driver so that you can see the other side of the driver arm with the other 6 torque settings. This time, "break over" force will be different in value. 
     
    Two different forces to "break over" handle to the left and to the right of the driver arm are provided by the design of the locking ball detent. When you change the driver arm side, these two forces change places. Because you only use clockwise rotation, only one of two available foces is used for tightening of the fasteners. The other force becomes "active" only when you flip the torque driver over to the other side.      
     
    2 pre-set forces x 6 fixed distances = 12 pre-set torque values.   
     


    Posted By: billyburl2
    Date Posted: February/03/2012 at 14:24
    I was going to buy one today...But SWFA doesn't have any...

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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: February/03/2012 at 14:32
    Brady placed an order for kits, will be shipping his order next week.


    Posted By: cheaptrick
    Date Posted: February/04/2012 at 17:57
    Originally posted by kortik kortik wrote:

    Just to add a bit to what Ilya said:
     
    Hold the torque driver in your hand and so that you see one side of driver arm with 6 torque settings, laser marked on that side. Apply force clockwise to the handle finger groove until handle "breaks over".
    Now, do the same, but hold the driver so that you can see the other side of the driver arm with the other 6 torque settings. This time, "break over" force will be different in value. 
     
    Two different forces to "break over" handle to the left and to the right of the driver arm are provided by the design of the locking ball detent. When you change the driver arm side, these two forces change places. Because you only use clockwise rotation, only one of two available foces is used for tightening of the fasteners. The other force becomes "active" only when you flip the torque driver over to the other side.      
     
    2 pre-set forces x 6 fixed distances = 12 pre-set torque values.   
     

    Thank you for your reply. I really like this tool! Wish I had gotten it sooner! 


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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: February/04/2012 at 20:58
    You're very welcome.
     
    And please feel free to ask any questions, express concerns or offer suggestions.
     
    For those interested, SWFA should have torque driver kits back in stock soon. As I've mentioned, Brady promptly placed an order last week, it just takes me a bit more time to ship them, which typically happens because of the need to take care of some urgent stuff right away upon return from the Shot Show.
     
     


    Posted By: koshkin
    Date Posted: February/04/2012 at 23:13
    Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

    Originally posted by kortik kortik wrote:

    Just to add a bit to what Ilya said:
     
    Hold the torque driver in your hand and so that you see one side of driver arm with 6 torque settings, laser marked on that side. Apply force clockwise to the handle finger groove until handle "breaks over".
    Now, do the same, but hold the driver so that you can see the other side of the driver arm with the other 6 torque settings. This time, "break over" force will be different in value. 
     
    Two different forces to "break over" handle to the left and to the right of the driver arm are provided by the design of the locking ball detent. When you change the driver arm side, these two forces change places. Because you only use clockwise rotation, only one of two available foces is used for tightening of the fasteners. The other force becomes "active" only when you flip the torque driver over to the other side.      
     
    2 pre-set forces x 6 fixed distances = 12 pre-set torque values.   
     

    Thank you for your reply. I really like this tool! Wish I had gotten it sooner! 

    It is indeed a really nice tool.  SO nice that I had to buy one despite the fact that Mr. Kortik is permanently off my Hanukkah list (the man thought I was in my mid-50s...)

    ILya


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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: February/05/2012 at 01:02
    Ilya,
     
    I admit I have a vision problem, which causes me often to fail to estimate certain things with required degree of accuracy.  I'm not sure I was wearing glasses when we met, so things like age and distance estimates could have been in error. My fault, and you're certainly a good man in your 20s... 
     
    Please forgive me and put me back on the Hannukah list, O.K.?
     
     


    Posted By: billyburl2
    Date Posted: March/11/2012 at 09:51
    I got mine in the mail last week...Re torquing everything in the safe! A great little tool.

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    Posted By: jonoMT
    Date Posted: March/12/2012 at 10:13
    Sounds like someone got a bit "torqued" about his age! Big Smile 
    Kortik, thanks for the explanations on some of the technical details related to torque wrenches.


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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: March/31/2012 at 18:07
    Ilya is just kiding, he is a nice guy...
     
    Ask me any questions you want, wil be happy yo expain if I can...
     
    Thank you all, gentlemen, for your interest and business.
     
    Boris
     


    Posted By: billyburl2
    Date Posted: March/31/2012 at 18:45
    I have a question, does the length of the bit adapter shaft effect the torque output of the device?

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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: March/31/2012 at 19:03
    Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

    I have a question, does the length of the bit adapter shaft effect the torque output of the device?
    No, it does not and theoretically, it can not.
     Of course, if length of driver spindle exceed any reasonable value, say, a foot or more, it would be difficult to use the tool correctly becuase of ergonomic considerations, but I can not possibly see the reason for anybody to make it so long. To learn more about principle of operation, see this:
     
    http://www.borkatools.com/pages/atd12/pdf/How%20Borka%20Driver%20works.pdf - http://www.borkatools.com/pages/atd12/pdf/How%20Borka%20Driver%20works.pdf
     
     
     
     
     


    Posted By: billyburl2
    Date Posted: March/31/2012 at 19:12
    Thanks for the quick reply. I was just wondering, simply because I have several different lengths of those shafts at my house. It is a by-product of former jobs...

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    Posted By: kortik
    Date Posted: March/31/2012 at 20:30
    You're welcome.
     
    Anything between 1" and 5" long protruding from the side of the driver arm feels comfortable to use.
     
    2"+/-1/2" is probably the most optimal lenght.
     
    Boris
      



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