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Topic: 308
Posted By: Rothstein1987
Subject: 308
Date Posted: April/06/2011 at 22:16
Ok so ive been looking around for a 308 and have found three that caught my eye.. Each have their own attributes that I am fond of..
Ruger MKII Target (Heavy Target Grade Barrel)
Remington 798 (Mauser 98 action gotta love it)
Remington 700 (Easy to find aftermarket parts for it)
Im looking to start the project in the hopes of coming up with a nice long range shooter for targets and PD's.. Since its for these two purposes im not really worried about weight.. I would really like to have a full 1" barrel for it.. This is my first type of build like this and im looking for basic input, helpful hints and places to start.. Also general input on the 3 listed rifles if anyone has them it would be appreciated for the feedback...Bucky
Patrick
 


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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??



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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: April/06/2011 at 22:51
What about this one:

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/12VLP+DBM - http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/12VLP+DBM


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-Matt


Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/06/2011 at 22:59
I got my savages just thinking about broadening the collection

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: April/06/2011 at 23:02
Remy 700 mil spec R5, or

Remy SPS tactical is a little cheaper route.


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Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/06/2011 at 23:06
Thats not the one with the triangle barrel was it? Guess it doesnt matter since I will prolly change the barrel anyways..

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: tman1965
Date Posted: April/06/2011 at 23:14
I'm thinking that 798 would be pretty sweet


Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/06/2011 at 23:31
That was my favorite but they arent that easy to come by it seems like...

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: April/06/2011 at 23:44

Let me suggest you select a caliber like .204 or .223 or 22-250



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Posted By: Bigdave
Date Posted: April/06/2011 at 23:48
The Remington 700 sps Tactical is a 20" bull barrel I believe. From what I've seen out of them at the ranges, put a trigger on it, and you'll be very hard pressed to make it any more accurate than it is out of the box.   I've seen 5 different ones shoot one raged hole at 300 yds with the factory barrel and stock, one even had the factory trigger. Nice rifels, especialy for the price.


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 00:09
+1 on the Rem 5R. I love mine and the only way you would get it is to pry it out of my cold dead hands. I changed the trigger to a Rifle basix.

Urimaginaryfrnd, why add a Smith Vortex flash suppressor?


Posted By: JLud
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 00:23
Heres an idea if going 308.  Savage 10FCP limited edition with Threaded Barrell, HS precision stock with full bedding block, AND 5R rifling!   All in one great package, 950 delivered if you can still find them.
 
Otherwise if thats over budget, check out tikka varmint in 308, or the new scout.  Tikkas are quite nice.


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 07:28
Save some money and buy this
http://opticstalk.com/savage-lrpv-rblp-22250-pkg-deal-4sale_topic28555.html - http://opticstalk.com/savage-lrpv-rblp-22250-pkg-deal-4sale_topic28555.html
 
Hell ova price and Bigdaddy is good to go.  You'd be complelty set up!


Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 15:41
Of the three originally mentioned, I'd go with something Remington if it's going to end up a project rifle. The 5R is a very good rifle. The 11.25 twist and 24" barrel are a plus for longer shots since they boost stability and velocity. Out of the box, these usually shoot well so you might never feel the need to mod it at all. Any money I've put in mine was to improve function not accuracy, e.g. a DBM and a cheek piece.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 16:29
I wholeheartedly agree with Wes.  I do a lot of PD shooting, and you'll be far better off with something much lighter than .308 for that game.  On a good weekend of PD shooting, if you're on a very good place at all, you can get in a LOT of shooting!  It's nothing for me to burn at least 1500 rounds and sometimes as many as 3000 rounds on a weekend of good PD shooting!  You don't want any part of that with a .308.  On top of recoil issues (and yes, even though .308 has fairly mild recoil, you won't think so after a couple hundred rounds), you'll have a very hard time spotting your shot impact through the scope with a .308.  It doesn't take much recoil to move the rifle enough to jar your target completely out of the scope's FOV at medium to high magnification.  In addition, you need a really frangible bullet that will expand rapidly and break up on PDs, and to get that in .30 caliber (110 gr. - 125 gr.), they probably won't shoot very well in the faster 10 twist you'd need for the good 168 - 180 gr match bullets you'd typically use for target shooting.
 
If you're looking for a combination PD / target rifle, I would suggest something tailor made for that very purpose -- .204, .22PPC, 6PPC, .223, .22BR, 6BR... 


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Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 16:47
Roth

You mentioned in your 1st post that you want "a nice long range shooter for targets and PD's".  If you are going to really control your rate of fire and only shoot at longer distances, a .308 would work, but I guarantee you that you will want to shoot one that pops up close, and then another, and another and so on.  After a while you will not want the recoil of a .308 and will be pining for a .20 or .22 cal rifle.  Rifles in these calibers are popular because they work. 

Could not agree with Wes & Ted more.


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Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 16:59
I have my Savage 22-250 its a Model 12 BTCSS and a 223 Ruger 77 Mark II Target... I am a fan of some recoil (like the dog cannon 25.06) I have my heart set on the 308 just looking for ideas on one and some info to get me going... I would like to hear more about this R5...

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 18:25
Like the rest I love my 5r in .308 but for small critters I go to my Rem 700 Police .223 bolt.Big animals Big bullets/Small animals ,Small calibers...Keep it simple & you will never go wrong!

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Posted By: mlv2k5
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 19:11
I have a stock model 700 sps 20" barrel in .308. It shoots very well even with the relatively cheap hogue stock and remington trigger. I can do right at 1/2 MOA without much trouble using factory ammo. I picked it up for about 800 including a 10x Super Sniper, Burris Xtreme rings and a harris bipod. I think the gun by itself can be had for about 500 so not bad at all for the performance. 

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Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 20:40
SoooI take it nobody hase either the Ruger Target or Remy 798 Models? Seems kind of different... I am thinking the 700 for a 308 and the 798 in a 30 06 may be the answer Bucky

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 20:57
Those 798's are neat guns, but they have a reputation as being not-so-super-accurate.  I'm sure there are some good ones out there, and the others probably tighten up with a little quality gunsmithing.

When they first came out, quite a few mauser fans at the range got them, but I don't see a lot of them anymore.


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Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 21:15
Well if I recall right they had a light barrel on them which would inevitably get swapped for a cannon so the initial accuracy doesnt bother so much... And as you can tell I am one of them mauser fans Big Grin So to me if I can get the 798 for the 308 build its a b e a utiful world if not the 30.06 Would be the hunting rifle and everything would most likely be under 200 and if I can be accurate at that its no wonder they didnt make it for more than 2 years... Am i correct in saying that they did not come with a heavy barreld version?? Or am I loosin my mind again? Damn musta forgot to take the meds today haha just kiddingLoco

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 21:32
I would say get what you want, I think a good gunsmith could barrel up a 798 into a real shooter for you.

If it were me, I would get a mil spec r5.  Not much needs to be done to them.


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Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 21:36
That would kind of defeat the purpose of a project rifle though wouldnt you say?

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 21:39
Not if the purpose is an accurate, reliable rifle.  The project would be the mounts, optic, and most of all ... practice.

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Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 21:47

Valid point but any rifle can be  made accurate Both Remy and Ruger have proven reliability mounts are the only thing that in the case of Ruger vs Remington I thinkI would go with Ruger because that intigrated setup of theirs is in my opinion an amazingly rigid and fool proof system... But to each their own.. I have been finding out that for an aftermarket parts availability that Remington 700 is by far the best choice.. Everybody and their brother seems to make parts for them for obvious reasons... And I think thats the way I am going to go for a build project and for a hunting setup I think im going to try and find one of their 798s...



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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 21:49
Sounds like you've got a plan.

Good luck, and post some pics when you get 'em set up.


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Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 21:50
Well the 308 is most likely going to be an ongoing project for awhile since im in an arms race with a few people Big Grin

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 22:30
 My project on my 5rmil spec took me 1 1/2 yrs to complete,so if your looking to take a good rifle & convert it into a great rifle this is what I did.
 
Bolt--changed to a Seiko extractor,then added a custom made knob like the Badger
 
Triger job on the X trigger,down to 2#s,done by Robert Hart
 
Recrowned the barrel,again by Robert Hart
 
Glass bedded & lapped the barrel
 
As I liked the stock,I added Marine Tex for grip 
 
Substituted a SVL pad for the flimsy rem recoil pad
 
While I was in the stock I filled the 6"x1.5"x2" void with lead shot & chaulk
 
Then I added a Karsten cheek weld 
 
As I like to shoot single shot I put a single shot sled in
 
Last but not least I did a camo job using all tree parts & branches using 10coats of Krylon paint & 5 coats of clear satin finish,that also included my Harris bi-pod.
 
My first rebuild & now ready to do my Rem police in.223 The total cost for all the mods & work was about $650 & it was a joy to do.
 
 


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Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/07/2011 at 22:38
Wanna send me some pictures?? Ive never seen a single shot sled installed...

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: Shenko
Date Posted: April/08/2011 at 00:25
Haven't seen anybody mention this, but it is my understanding that:

Remington 798 was made by Zastava. It is now called the Z98, or something, and is imported and sold though EAA and USSG.



Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: April/08/2011 at 15:46
My daughter needed a camera so mine took a hike 3months ago & haven't had the money to buy another just yet[wife decided she wanted all new disahes & a dinning room set] after she found out about my new Swaro Z6I scope.
 
Sorry I can't send a picture but all it is ,is a small square aluminum block[.25" thick x the length of the housing chamber x the width of the floor plate]You must remove the metal housing by sliding it out in order to fit the sled in it's place.It has a  machined grove on top to allow the rifle case to seat properly so as to not have any problems when you ram the shell home!
 
I can't mention other sites  but you can always do a search for single shot sleds.I some times use one in my AR15 When I feel the need to shoot a 75 grn nosler.Those sleds come in the form as a standard magazine with no spring,check them out.  


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Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/08/2011 at 15:56
Originally posted by Shenko Shenko wrote:

Haven't seen anybody mention this, but it is my understanding that:

Remington 798 was made by Zastava. It is now called the Z98, or something, and is imported and sold though EAA and USSG.

This is interesting I have never heard that... So Zastava made the Model 798 for Remington? And its still currently in production only under the Model Z98 through Zastava????
 
 


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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/08/2011 at 15:57
Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

My daughter needed a camera so mine took a hike 3months ago & haven't had the money to buy another just yet[wife decided she wanted all new disahes & a dinning room set] after she found out about my new Swaro Z6I scope.
 
Sorry I can't send a picture but all it is ,is a small square aluminum block[.25" thick x the length of the housing chamber x the width of the floor plate]You must remove the metal housing by sliding it out in order to fit the sled in it's place.It has a  machined grove on top to allow the rifle case to seat properly so as to not have any problems when you ram the shell home!
 
I can't mention other sites  but you can always do a search for single shot sleds.I some times use one in my AR15 When I feel the need to shoot a 75 grn nosler.Those sleds come in the form as a standard magazine with no spring,check them out.  
Thanks for the info! I will have to check that out

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??


Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: April/08/2011 at 16:28
Aside from not being a good PD rifle, there are plenty of mods that can be made to a rifle even if it is already a good shooter. Like stickbow, I added a Karsten cheekpiece ( http://stonetip.com/diagrams/karsten/karsten_b_style_cheekpiece_installation.htm - http://stonetip.com/diagrams/karsten/karsten_b_style_cheekpiece_installation.htm ) and since those pix were taken added a Seekins DBM, which is fantastic. I'm running Alpha mags with it. Also, although it was not strictly necessary (and was kind of done accidentally by the gunsmith) it was glassed at the same time. (I was going to do that myself as I did with my LTR in an H-S stock, but what the hey).

Now she's also rocking a Seekins SRS base where the front swivel studs used to be and an Atlas bipod. So no point in not starting with a really good rifle in the first place. I think the 5R is one of the best kept "secrets" around. I've found no need to do anything with the barrel or bolt.


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Reaction time is a factor...


Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: April/08/2011 at 17:09
Jon,how do you like the Atlas? I've had my eye on one trying to get up the coin.Did you get the ful blown one?
 
Got to agree 5r is the best kept secret in the industry Cool


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: April/09/2011 at 08:00
Originally posted by Rothstein1987 Rothstein1987 wrote:

Originally posted by Shenko Shenko wrote:

Haven't seen anybody mention this, but it is my understanding that:

Remington 798 was made by Zastava. It is now called the Z98, or something, and is imported and sold though EAA and USSG.

This is interesting I have never heard that... So Zastava made the Model 798 for Remington? And its still currently in production only under the Model Z98 through Zastava????
 
 

that information is correct


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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: April/09/2011 at 19:50
Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

Jon,how do you like the Atlas? I've had my eye on one trying to get up the coin.Did you get the ful blown one?

I haven't been out to the range with it yet, but can tell just dry firing that it is better than the Harris - and well it should be for over twice the price! I got the BT-10 model, which is the least expensive but also requires a picatinny rail. I bought Seekins SRS for two rifles so that was another $80.


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Reaction time is a factor...


Posted By: REP
Date Posted: April/19/2011 at 21:37
Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

What about this one:

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/12VLP+DBM - http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/12VLP+DBM


+1 !


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Enough is to much.


Posted By: Rothstein1987
Date Posted: April/19/2011 at 23:45
Ive looked at them and they are very nice rifles out of the box.. But we will see found a nice 700 that im thinkin about...

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Mausers forever

That was great but can you do it again??



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