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Topic: Recommend me a scope on a budget
Posted By: trjones87
Subject: Recommend me a scope on a budget
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 10:14
I had about a grand saved up and was ready to place an order when we got the hospital bill from my seizure in…..no bueno.
 
Anyways, my budget got cut down to around $500 and I have no clue where to start.  This will be going on my 308. Would prefer something with target knobs. Needs to be adjustable for hunting purposes. Would like a 4-14 or something like that. I was leaning towards one of the tactical Milletts but was steered away from them.
 
Any suggestions?
 



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Posted By: neilbilly
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 10:34

Dunno if tactical knobs could be added/swapped out or not, but for the money this a SUPER deal.


http://swfa.com/Burris-45-14x42-Fullfield-II-Rifle-Scope-P48189.aspx - http://swfa.com/Burris-45-14x42-Fullfield-II-Rifle-Scope-P48189.aspx



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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 10:39
do you want actual target turrets or will capped turrets that you can finger turn work?


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 10:46
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

do you want actual target turrets or will capped turrets that you can finger turn work?

I think those would work, just want something adjustable. I'd really like something that would make my spec of 308 with 168 grain bullet


Posted By: Poodleshooter1
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 10:48
 
This guy has scopes built to his specs. He's a small operation, but his scopes and his support have a pretty good reputation. His reticles are generally MOA with MOA turret adjustments, which I prefer to MIL/MIL personally. I believe this is also a first focal plane scope as well, so the subtensions stay constant throughout the magnification range. Other than the Falcon scopes and maybe the SWFA Super Snipers, this one of the few in this price range that does this.
http://swfa.com/Wonders-Optics-4-14x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P47355.aspx

For a more hunting relevant scope, lower powered Monarchs have decent glass and a great turret system. They have a variety of reticles available. They are mismatched for use with a mil dot though, as they are MOA adjustments with a MIL reticle. That's only important if you plan to use the mil system for ranging and shooting, rather than as holdoff points as most shooters do:
http://swfa.com/Nikon-4-16x42-Monarch-Riflescope-P42336.aspx

http://swfa.com/Bushnell-5-15x40-Elite-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P48272.aspx
Bushnell is closing out a lot of scopes. This one has ok glass, but a great turret system. It's also a mismatched MOA adjustment/MIL reticle scope though.

Some more hunting relevant scopes. Vortex makes great repeatable turrets and has great glass. But they're second focal plane reticles, so not the best for ranging.
http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-12x40-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11230.aspx
http://swfa.com/Vortex-65-20x44-Viper-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P11231.aspx





Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 10:53
The above burris will have finger adjustable turrets just not target turrets.  Other decent scopes that will come in under your budget
http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-12x40-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11230.aspx">Vortex 4-12x40 Viper Rifle Scope http://swfa.com/images/vortex_bdc_popup.jpg">Dead-Hold BDC http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-12x40-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11230.aspx - Vortex 4-12x40 Viper Rifle Scope
Stock # - VPRM04BDC
  • Matte
  • Dead-Hold BDC
  • 1"
  • Side Focus
$399.95 
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javascript:__doPostBack%28ctl00$wpm$CategoryGrid$ctl04$ProductList$ctl05$Add2Cart$AC,%29">Add Vortex 4-12x40 Viper Rifle Scope to Cart
http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-12x40-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11230.aspx - More Details »

Optional Accessories:
I have this exact scope and love it
 
http://swfa.com/Redfield-4-12x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44473.aspx">Redfield 4-12x40 Revolution Rifle Scope http://swfa.com/images/redfield_accurange_popup.jpg"> http://swfa.com/Redfield-4-12x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44473.aspx - Redfield 4-12x40 Revolution Rifle Scope
Stock # - RED67115
  • Matte
  • Accu-Range
  • 1"
$219.95 
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javascript:__doPostBack%28ctl00$wpm$CategoryGrid$ctl04$ProductList$ctl11$Add2Cart$AC,%29">Add Redfield 4-12x40 Revolution Rifle Scope to Cart
http://swfa.com/Redfield-4-12x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44473.aspx - More Details »
Had a 3-9 in the new redfields and like it very servicable and budget friendly The accu-range is great once you get it dialed in.
Take a look at this
http://opticstalk.com/redfield-accurange-video_topic22329_post288073.html#288073 - http://opticstalk.com/redfield-accurange-video_topic22329_post288073.html#288073


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 11:01
Never looked falcon. They better than milletts?
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

The above burris will have finger adjustable turrets just not target turrets.  Other decent scopes that will come in under your budget

<TABLE width="100%">
<T>
<TR>
<TD class=img> http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-12x40-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11230.aspx">Vortex 4-12x40 Viper Rifle Scope </TD>
<TD =ret> http://swfa.com/images/vortex_bdc_popup.jpg">Dead-Hold BDC </TD>
<TD =nfo> http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-12x40-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11230.aspx - [COLOR=#0000ff size=3 - Vortex 4-12x40 Viper Rifle Scope[/COLOR -
Stock # - VPRM04BDC



  • Matte

  • Dead-Hold BDC

  • 1"

  • Side Focus
</TD>
<TD =buy>
<DIV =price>$399.95 

<DIV =wishlist> javascript:__doPostBack%28ctl00$wpm$CategoryGrid$ctl04$ProductList$ctl05$Add2Wishlist$AW,%29 - Add to Wishlist
<DIV =addtocart> javascript:__doPostBack%28ctl00$wpm$CategoryGrid$ctl04$ProductList$ctl05$Add2Cart$AC,%29">Add Vortex 4-12x40 Viper Rifle Scope to Cart http://swfa.com/Vortex-4-12x40-Viper-Rifle-Scope-P11230.aspx - [COLOR=#0000ff size=3 - More Details »[/COLOR -
<DIV style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Optional Accessories:<SPAN id=ctl00_wpm_CategoryGrid_ctl04_ProductList_ctl05_Add2Cart_KitComponent_1225><LABEL for=ctl00_wpm_CategoryGrid_ctl04_ProductList_ctl05_Add2Cart_KitComponent_1225_0>Butler Creek Lens Caps Kit - ($15.95)</LABEL></SPAN></TD></TR></T></TABLE>I have this exact scope and love it
 


<TABLE width="100%">
<T>
<TR>
<TD class=img> http://swfa.com/Redfield-4-12x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44473.aspx">Redfield 4-12x40 Revolution Rifle Scope </TD>
<TD =ret> http://swfa.com/images/redfield_accurange_popup.jpg"> </TD>
<TD =nfo> http://swfa.com/Redfield-4-12x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44473.aspx - [COLOR=#800080 size=3 - Redfield 4-12x40 Revolution Rifle Scope[/COLOR -
Stock # - RED67115



  • Matte

  • Accu-Range

  • 1"
</TD>
<TD =buy>
<DIV =price>$219.95 

<DIV =wishlist> javascript:__doPostBack%28ctl00$wpm$CategoryGrid$ctl04$ProductList$ctl11$Add2Wishlist$AW,%29 - Add to Wishlist
<DIV =addtocart> javascript:__doPostBack%28ctl00$wpm$CategoryGrid$ctl04$ProductList$ctl11$Add2Cart$AC,%29">Add Redfield 4-12x40 Revolution Rifle Scope to Cart http://swfa.com/Redfield-4-12x40-Revolution-Rifle-Scope-P44473.aspx - [COLOR=#800080 size=3 - More Details »[/COLOR - </TD></TR></T></TABLE>Had a 3-9 in the new redfields and like it very servicable and budget friendly The accu-range is great once you get it dialed in.
Take a look at this

http://opticstalk.com/redfield-accurange-video_topic22329_post288073.html#288073 - http://opticstalk.com/redfield-accurange-video_topic22329_post288073.html#288073


Posted By: Poodleshooter1
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 11:12
Originally posted by trjones87 trjones87 wrote:

Never looked falcon. They better than milletts?
 

They're first focal plane. That's why the tactical crowd loves them.
They do however have a somewhat mixed reputation for quality (like Millett), and very little customer support in the US (Millet is supported by Bushnell,FWIW). Falcon is principally a UK company, but they're trying to get a foothold on the US market.

Personally, I'd go Wotac over Falcon or Millet if you want a really tactical type scope at that budget point.



Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 11:15
Originally posted by Poodleshooter1 Poodleshooter1 wrote:


Originally posted by trjones87 trjones87 wrote:

Never looked falcon. They better than milletts?
 
They're first focal plane. That's why the tactical crowd loves them. They do however have a somewhat mixed reputation for quality (like Millett), and very little customer support in the US (Millet is supported by Bushnell,FWIW). Falcon is principally a UK company, but they're trying to get a foothold on the US market.Personally, I'd go Wotac over Falcon or Millet if you want a really tactical type scope at that budget point.

Those wonders have good reviews and are really cheap. What about hawke?


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 11:20
does it have to be a 4x14 or something similar? are you planning on using this for 500yd shooting? i need more info pleaseBig Grin

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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

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Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 11:23
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

does it have to be a 4x14 or something similar? are you planning on using this for 500yd shooting? i need more info pleaseBig Grin

Doesn't have to be. The gun is capable of 2" groups at 400 yards. I'd like to eventually been shooting that well but it'll take a while. I've been bowhunting since I was 13 and am new to the gun world. I'd like to be able to shoot paper eventually at that distance if not longer


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 11:34
do you have a real need to shoot animals further than 400yds??? for me personally, a 3x9 of good quality will serve you very well.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 12:26
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

do you have a real need to shoot animals further than 400yds??? for me personally, a 3x9 of good quality will serve you very well.

Won't shoot animals at that distance but would be shooting paper at that distance


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 12:34
just deer? or do you hunt elk and moose as well?

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 12:40
For now just deer, whitetail and mulies


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 12:42
normally i would tell you to get a 3x9 conquest, but that 4x14 viper would work very well too.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: tman1965
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 13:20
+1 Burris 4.5-14x42


Posted By: jmg8550
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 16:05
The Burris Fullfield II can be upgraded to target knobs. We do that modification all the time. It'll cost $80 for both turrets. You can also upgrade the reticle to a Ballistic Mil-Dot which works very well with the .308 caliber. That upgrade is $120.


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 16:14
Originally posted by jmg8550 jmg8550 wrote:

The Burris Fullfield II can be upgraded to target knobs. We do that modification all the time. It'll cost $80 for both turrets. You can also upgrade the reticle to a Ballistic Mil-Dot which works very well with the .308 caliber. That upgrade is $120.

So could I mail u my scope and 80 to put the turrets on there?


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 16:17
The Viper listed on page one has target turrets on it already, FYI


Posted By: jmg8550
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 16:32
Originally posted by trjones87 trjones87 wrote:

Originally posted by jmg8550 jmg8550 wrote:

The Burris Fullfield II can be upgraded to target knobs. We do that modification all the time. It'll cost $80 for both turrets. You can also upgrade the reticle to a Ballistic Mil-Dot which works very well with the .308 caliber. That upgrade is $120.

So could I mail u my scope and 80 to put the turrets on there?
 
Yes. Mail it in to customer repair with a brief description of what you would like to have done with it, along with $80, and we will put them on. We will also inspect the scope and take care of any other issues while it is in for service.


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 16:44
Originally posted by jmg8550 jmg8550 wrote:

Originally posted by trjones87 trjones87 wrote:

Originally posted by jmg8550 jmg8550 wrote:

The Burris Fullfield II can be upgraded to target knobs. We do that modification all the time. It'll cost $80 for both turrets. You can also upgrade the reticle to a Ballistic Mil-Dot which works very well with the .308 caliber. That upgrade is $120.
So could I mail u my scope and 80 to put the turrets on there?

 

Yes. Mail it in to customer repair with a brief description of what you would like to have done with it, along with $80, and we will put them on. We will also inspect the scope and take care of any other issues while it is in for service.

Which knobs? I've been looking into the xtr and really like that turret system


Posted By: jmg8550
Date Posted: February/07/2011 at 16:50
Unfortunately, the XTR knobs are only compatible with the XTR scope. I've tried putting them on other ones and they just won't work. The knobs available for the FFII 4.5-14 are the regular target knobs or the TAC II's. You might also look at our new Fullfield E1 line that just came out.
 
http://www.burrisoptics.com/fullfielde1.html - http://www.burrisoptics.com/fullfielde1.html
 
or here:
http://swfa.com/Burris-Fullfield-E1-Rifle-Scopes-C3478.aspx - http://swfa.com/Burris-Fullfield-E1-Rifle-Scopes-C3478.aspx


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 08:49
Anyone hany personal feedback from a hawke or wonders scope?


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 08:54
I just got a WOTAC in on trade and had a chance to shoot it a few times this past weekend.  Overall its servicable but I don't think the thing tracks true MOA.  I will know more when i get some more trigger time but right now I am holding off judgement until I have more time with it.  One postive about it is the owner of WOTAC stands behind his scopes with a no questions asked warranty.


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 10:47
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I just got a WOTAC in on trade and had a chance to shoot it a few times this past weekend.  Overall its servicable but I don't think the thing tracks true MOA.  I will know more when i get some more trigger time but right now I am holding off judgement until I have more time with it.  One postive about it is the owner of WOTAC stands behind his scopes with a no questions asked warranty.

Hm, I've got that in my shopping cart right now but I might wait. I'd like some more feedback before I decide to buy


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 11:13
I will get a review up next week some time if you want to wait.  All i have done so far is a box test and while it tracked true the adjustments where not true 1/4MOA.  From a center zero and at 100yds I dialed 40 clicks to the right and 40 clicks up.  shot, 80 clicks left and shot, 80 clicks down and shot, 80 clicks back right and shot, then 40 up and 40 left and shot.  I did this several times until i had 5 shots at each corner.  In theory it should be about 10" above and to the side of the center zero, it was only about 8.5" but it did track correctly and return to zero.  All that said I was not expecting a exact 10" difference but 1.5" is to much especially using the gun I was using and knowing that it averages .5MOA or better and the groups where all within that


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 11:18
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I will get a review up next week some time if you want to wait.  All i have done so far is a box test and while it tracked true the adjustments where not true 1/4MOA.  From a center zero and at 100yds I dialed 40 clicks to the right and 40 clicks up.  shot, 80 clicks left and shot, 80 clicks down and shot, 80 clicks back right and shot, then 40 up and 40 left and shot.  I did this several times until i had 5 shots at each corner.  In theory it should be about 10" above and to the side of the center zero, it was only about 8.5" but it did track correctly and return to zero.  All that said I was not expecting a exact 10" difference but 1.5" is to much especially using the gun I was using and knowing that it averages .5MOA or better and the groups where all within that
Cool I'll definitely wait, I've got 525 in credit towards swfa so waiting another week won't be a bad deal


Posted By: trjones87
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 15:38
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I will get a review up next week some time if you want to wait.  All i have done so far is a box test and while it tracked true the adjustments where not true 1/4MOA.  From a center zero and at 100yds I dialed 40 clicks to the right and 40 clicks up.  shot, 80 clicks left and shot, 80 clicks down and shot, 80 clicks back right and shot, then 40 up and 40 left and shot.  I did this several times until i had 5 shots at each corner.  In theory it should be about 10" above and to the side of the center zero, it was only about 8.5" but it did track correctly and return to zero.  All that said I was not expecting a exact 10" difference but 1.5" is to much especially using the gun I was using and knowing that it averages .5MOA or better and the groups where all within that
How old is the scope? Ive been doing research and have heard the older ones have the MOA issues but the newer dont


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 16:07
Not 100% sure.  I believe genIII given the # but haven't called to confirm.


Posted By: seattlesetters
Date Posted: February/08/2011 at 20:57
Dats what I'm talkin' 'bout....


http://swfa.com/Minox-3-15x42-ZA5-Riflescope-P46139.aspx - http://swfa.com/Minox-3-15x42-ZA5-Riflescope-P46139.aspx



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