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Topic: 2-7 Viper $ drop
Posted By: 300S&W
Subject: 2-7 Viper $ drop
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 06:39
 
 HOPE Vortex ain't discontinuing them!


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 06:53
Just means its time for you to stock up on them Wink

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 07:06
 
  NO DOUBT!!
 
  BUT I just got a new project over the weekend that'll have my LIMITED $ tied up awhile.  A '96 Blazer.


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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 11:49

$195 shipped?

BDC?
 
Done Deal.
 
My order is in.
 
Now I have a reason to get that .338 Tikka.
 
Thunbs Up


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-Matt


Posted By: The Dude
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 15:29
I just got off the phone with Vortex. I asked them if I should buy a couple more of these scopes since they are among my favorite and if they are going to discontinue them, I want to stock up. He said " I would do that". That in conjunction with the fact that it is not a product line wide discount/rebate tells me these scopes are going bye, bye. Get em while you can folks.

Josh


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 17:27

You do realize that two of Vortex's own are members here don't you?  They have been fantastic at answering questions quickly and honestly!  They should at least be able to fill in the blanks for us!

Scott are you out there lurking about?



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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 18:08
Looks like they are going fast.  I got an e-mail from SWFA that mine is backordered without an expected-by date.
 
Sad


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Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 18:53
Thanks for the info.

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Posted By: blacktails
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 19:10
Thanks for the tip on these.  Just put in my order in for one with the BDC reticle.  My confirmation email shows nothing about a backorder, so mine must be in stock and good to go Super


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 20:13
Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

You do realize that two of Vortex's own are members here don't you?  They have been fantastic at answering questions quickly and honestly!  They should at least be able to fill in the blanks for us!

Scott are you out there lurking about?

 
 
 Wonder what happens if pyro's and/or mine gives up the ghost?


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Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 20:38
How would these hold up on a AR?




Posted By: The Dude
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 20:40
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

You do realize that two of Vortex's own are members here don't you?  They have been fantastic at answering questions quickly and honestly!  They should at least be able to fill in the blanks for us!

Scott are you out there lurking about?

 
 
 Wonder what happens if pyro's and/or mine gives up the ghost?

I was just thinking the same thing. If it cant be repaired, they would likely replace it with a current production model...3-9x40 would be my guess.


Posted By: The Dude
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 20:41
Originally posted by The Dude The Dude wrote:

Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

You do realize that two of Vortex's own are members here don't you?  They have been fantastic at answering questions quickly and honestly!  They should at least be able to fill in the blanks for us!

Scott are you out there lurking about?

 
 
 Wonder what happens if pyro's and/or mine gives up the ghost?

I was just thinking the same thing. If it cant be repaired, they would likely replace it with a current production model...3-9x40 would be my guess.

Have'nt had mine long enough to speak from experience but I would guess they would hold up just fine on an AR....


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 21:31
hmm i wonder what vortex is planningDevil

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 21:48
Dang, this is more tempting than the $99. Vortex Crossfire 6-24x50...  Don't know what I'd put the 6-24 on, but dang!
Now this 2-7 Viper is saying it would be nice to switch out with the Millet DMS.
Be a nice target scope.


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 21:53
 That 2-7 is a REAL NICE scope. I HATE to see it go under.

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Posted By: The Dude
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 23:00
Maybe they're makin' room for a Viper 4x!!! Or how bout a 2.5-8x36 to compete with the VX3!!!!


Posted By: Scott_at_Vortex
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 23:41
You can literally run any of the Vipers on  50bmg's. We have done it on numerous times including a lot of testing. These scopes were a great bargain at the regular price and now I believe they are hands down the best deal in the world as far as rifle scopes go(if they wern't alreadyBig Grin). I wouldnt wait to long though as they probably wont last long.


Scott


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Posted By: DAVE44
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 23:53
So would you say the Viper 2-7 is better than a Nikon Monarch 2-7x32? Is the view about the same on both as far as the sight picture or image size. I dont like the small view through the Nikon.


Posted By: Scott_at_Vortex
Date Posted: August/02/2010 at 23:59
Originally posted by DAVE44 DAVE44 wrote:

So would you say the Viper 2-7 is better than a Nikon Monarch 2-7x32? Is the view about the same on both as far as the sight picture or image size. I dont like the small view through the Nikon.



I will let someone else get this one as my answer is probably pretty obvious, although it would be my honest opinion.




Scott


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Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 05:41
Scott, I like the way the Versa-Plex C3 reticle looks but have never used it, is it effective and what's your fevorite?

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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 05:55
Man I wish I wasn't so totally strapped for cash or I'd jump with both feet!
I've got 3 crossfires and love them.  Great for 300yd paper punching and I'm sure further just haven't had the chance to try it...yet.  Also great for paire gogging and long distance varminting!


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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 06:12
Originally posted by The Dude The Dude wrote:

Maybe they're makin' room for a Viper 4x!!! Or how bout a 2.5-8x36 to compete with the VX3!!!!

that wouldnt be a bad thing!


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Ed Connelly
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 06:34
     
 
  
 
 


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 06:41
Ed are you playing candle agian???!?!?!

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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 07:53
 
Vortex has announced that they are discontinuing a few items.
Vortex Viper 2-7x32mm 
Vortex Viper 3.5-10x50mm 
Vortex Viper 4-12x40mm PA
Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44mm PA
Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50mm PA 
Vortex Fury 12.5x42mm Binocular 
Vortex Fury 10x32mm Binocular 
Vortex Fury 8x32mm Binocular
Vortex Fury 6.5x32mm Binocular
 

 


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 07:59
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
Vortex has announced that they are discontinuing a few items.
Vortex Viper 2-7x32mm 
Vortex Viper 3.5-10x50mm 
Vortex Viper 4-12x40mm PA
Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44mm PA
Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44mm PA 
Vortex Fury 12.5x42mm Binocular 
Vortex Fury 10x32mm Binocular 
Vortex Fury 8x32mm Binocular
Vortex Fury 6.5x32mm Binocular
 

 
 
What reticles do these include?


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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 08:05
  44mm w/V-Plex and Target Dot
 
  50mm w/Target Dot
 
 
 SORRY,G.  The second 6.5-20 is a 50mm.  fixed it in my post.


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Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 08:13

GRAHAM.... YOUR 3-9 SS is in the mail LOL, so you must be Xmas shopping....

I would prefer the 2-7 for deer huntin....


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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 08:17
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  44mm w/V-Plex and Target Dot
 
  50mm w/Target Dot
 
 
 SORRY,G.  The second 6.5-20 is a 50mm.  fixed it in my post.
Thats the one I was considering for my new savage 223.  guess i have no choice now.... get the high power SS when it comes out.


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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 10:21
That is pretty much the whole Viper line save the 3-9x40.  Wonder what is going to replace them.

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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 12:00
I called SWFA and found out I'm first in line, but it could be three weeks before it is ready to ship.



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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 12:02
Originally posted by SD Dog SD Dog wrote:

That is pretty much the whole Viper line save the 3-9x40.  Wonder what is going to replace them.
 
 Maybe nothing.  Perhaps Vortex isn't doing as good as we HOPED.


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 12:10

I dont' know, Maybe Scott or Sam can pitch in and let us know whats going on.



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"Most folks are about as happy as they make their minds up to be" - Abraham Lincoln


Posted By: budperm
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 12:17
It's possible they are having supplier problems like we are at Black & Decker.  I've spent the better part of the last two months performing tests on alternate materials and new suppliers cause almost all the suppliers reduced capacity several months ago and are now running out of residual stock.  Its an industry wide problem right now in electronics as some foundries shutdown and other reduced capacity.  This is actually the second wave of a ripple effect that could take 3-5 years to recover from!

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"Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".
--Thomas Jefferson





Posted By: powderburn
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 14:09
Such is a common problem with goods produced over seasor even a lot of domestic companies today. It's like when you find a pair of nike's that really feel good to you and you wear them out, good luck finding a pair just like them. I've had problems in the past where my old bushnell binocs had the rubber eyecup dry rot. You can call in the model # and s/n along with pics and measurements but the pair you finally get will almost certainly not fit like the originals. That's one of the reasons I still like Leupold because even if they are not the very latest cutting edge they have a nice product and they have the history to go with their life time warranty. I wish Vortex the best as they had some seemingly nice stuff to offer. Hope this doesn't mean what was alluded to in budperm's post.


Posted By: blacktails
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 16:35
Well, crap.  Yesterday I thought my scope order was in stock and I was good to go, but I just got an email from SWFA saying my 2-7x32 BDC is on backorder with no "expected by" date.


Posted By: gcp
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 16:45
The Viper would be a great deal, if you can get it Whacko SWFA said they are on backorder for 10 and so far they have 3 orders to fulfill so don't sweat it you'll be among the first to get it when they ship. But who knows when that when will be.....
 
That's why I broke down & ordered the 3x9 SS. Yes it ended up costing me approx. $300 more but it's one hell of a lot of scope for $500.


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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 17:41
Keep the faith, blacktails!
 
I just received a notice e-mail stating mine shipped 08/03/2010.
 
SWFA kicks A$$!
 
Yippee


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 17:51
thats too bad that they are getting rid of the 2x7, i think a few of us in here are really impressed with that little scope.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: blacktails
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 19:43
Originally posted by gcp gcp wrote:

That's why I broke down & ordered the 3x9 SS. Yes it ended up costing me approx. $300 more but it's one hell of a lot of scope for $500.
 
I'll wait it out for the Viper.  I'm not in a rush, I was just pumped to get it.  That 3-9 SS is a heck of a scope from the glowing reviews I've read.  I've been pretty tempted to get one of them though I don't have a need for it right now.  I've got to sell off a couple of scopes before I get anything else though. 


Posted By: Vermin93
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 20:29
Looks like a price drop on some of the other V-Plex reticle scopes too.

Which Vortex Viper would you get for a 300 Wby Mag?

3.5-10x50 for $279.99
or
4-12x40 for $279.99


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 20:33
Originally posted by Vermin93 Vermin93 wrote:

Looks like a price drop on some of the other V-Plex reticle scopes too.

Which Vortex Viper would you get for a 300 Wby Mag?

3.5-10x50 for $279.99
or
4-12x40 for $279.99

what kind of conditions do you hunt in?? i have a 3x9 on my .300wby, but i hunt in dense forest.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Vermin93
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 20:39
I haven't hunted anywhere with it yet, but I'm planning a New Mexico elk hunt and an African plains game hunt.  


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 20:43
i would take the smaller of the two then.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Vermin93
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 20:49
What about the comment by ILya about tunnel vision with the 4-12x40 Viper?  Would that steer you towards the 3.5-10x50 instead?  


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 21:01
for me when i hunted elk, i pushed a lot of timber day in and day out in the mountains of western wyoming. i never took a shot over 100 yds. now that said, ive never hunted new mexico and certainly not africa. for me i would be looking for something like 2x7 or a 2.5x8 or even a 3x9 like a zeiss conquest.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: Scott_at_Vortex
Date Posted: August/03/2010 at 21:11
Originally posted by powderburn powderburn wrote:

Such is a common problem with goods produced over seasor even a lot of domestic companies today. It's like when you find a pair of nike's that really feel good to you and you wear them out, good luck finding a pair just like them. I've had problems in the past where my old bushnell binocs had the rubber eyecup dry rot. You can call in the model # and s/n along with pics and measurements but the pair you finally get will almost certainly not fit like the originals. That's one of the reasons I still like Leupold because even if they are not the very latest cutting edge they have a nice product and they have the history to go with their life time warranty. I wish Vortex the best as they had some seemingly nice stuff to offer. Hope this doesn't mean what was alluded to in budperm's post.
  You guys are so funny sometimes going off on tangents. We are simply updating the line and thats it( I honestly mean that in a nice way and seriously I am grinning while I type this). Hopefully you dont take that comment the wrong way.  We have no problems what so ever with the scopes, getting them built for us, getting the materials,etc.... They are great scopes and did a great job for us ,but we feel it is time for an upgrade. Feel free to contact me with any questions. I am out at the NRA Whittington Center this week so I may be a little slow to answer, but i will get to it.


Scott


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www.vortexoptics.com


Posted By: tompac
Date Posted: August/04/2010 at 00:00
 Just picked up on this thread. And I ordered one. Was going to buy one anyway. This way I save several bucks!


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/04/2010 at 06:24
Good to hear from you Scott.  Hope your having a safe trip and thanks for setting some minds at ease.  Do you think Vortex will continue to offer a low end variable like the 2-7 but in a different variation or has that not done that well?

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Posted By: midwestoffroad
Date Posted: August/04/2010 at 23:16
Well I sent my Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 in on trade to SWFA today .  hoping i will the viper 6.5-20x44 target dot.  There out of stock on it so hopefully not to long of a wait.


Posted By: powderburn
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 06:54
Scott, Sorry to go off on a "tangent" it was really a poor attempt to be allagorical. I like the idea of Vortex and while I don't have any of your products yet The ones I have handled have been impressive in their price range.
   I see vortex as offering a good product and trying to build a reputation as having great CS. A earlier poster had made a comment about Black & Decker changing suppiers and maybe that was what was ocurring here. My point was if you want to build a reputation as a long standing supplier of quality products that last a lifetime then B&D is probably not the business model you want to follow. B&D make decent hand tools in their market range but to be truthful over the past 20 years they have gone to producing throw aways. I have a few of their tools as I don't use them often and it's not a disaster if one gives it up after a few years of service so I buy them because they are cheaper and probably will meet my needs. I consider Bushnell in the same way in scopes. They have some nice products and I have a couple that I have had for years. However I know in my heart if they ever give it up then they are pretty much done or if they are replaced I would expect my scopechiefs which were the top pf the line in their day to be replaced with a scopechief which today is a so-so product. See the thread Bummed on Bushnell to see what I'm talking about. It's a shame they squander their reputation like they do when the elite scope they offer are pretty decent stuff.
Vortex has some nice stuff, I would urge you to keep your base product line pretty much intact and work on improving value thru better internal components and small incremental improvements. I think long term this will serve you better to establish your company as a long term player. I know a lot of people on this forum like to bash Leupold but this describes why many of us have stuck with them. Well that and the fact that we grew up looking at Jack Slacks custom rifles festooned across the pages of the gun rags of course all of them wearing Leupolds. One of the great marketing campaigns of all time imho. Good luck and I wish Vortex well. Just put a gloss finish on a few of the basic models would you.


Posted By: magshooter1
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 08:27
Originally posted by powderburn powderburn wrote:

Scott, Sorry to go off on a "tangent" it was really a poor attempt to be allagorical. I like the idea of Vortex and while I don't have any of your products yet The ones I have handled have been impressive in their price range.
   I see vortex as offering a good product and trying to build a reputation as having great CS. A earlier poster had made a comment about Black & Decker changing suppiers and maybe that was what was ocurring here. My point was if you want to build a reputation as a long standing supplier of quality products that last a lifetime then B&D is probably not the business model you want to follow. B&D make decent hand tools in their market range but to be truthful over the past 20 years they have gone to producing throw aways. I have a few of their tools as I don't use them often and it's not a disaster if one gives it up after a few years of service so I buy them because they are cheaper and probably will meet my needs. I consider Bushnell in the same way in scopes. They have some nice products and I have a couple that I have had for years. However I know in my heart if they ever give it up then they are pretty much done or if they are replaced I would expect my scopechiefs which were the top pf the line in their day to be replaced with a scopechief which today is a so-so product. See the thread Bummed on Bushnell to see what I'm talking about. It's a shame they squander their reputation like they do when the elite scope they offer are pretty decent stuff.
Vortex has some nice stuff, I would urge you to keep your base product line pretty much intact and work on improving value thru better internal components and small incremental improvements. I think long term this will serve you better to establish your company as a long term player. I know a lot of people on this forum like to bash Leupold but this describes why many of us have stuck with them. Well that and the fact that we grew up looking at Jack Slacks custom rifles festooned across the pages of the gun rags of course all of them wearing Leupolds. One of the great marketing campaigns of all time imho. Good luck and I wish Vortex well. Just put a gloss finish on a few of the basic models would you.
 
I will second that.


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Posted By: Flats
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 10:59
Does "discontinued" have any impact on customer service?  I was looking for a 3X9, but the viper 4X12 looks like a really good value.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 12:01
Originally posted by Flats Flats wrote:

Does "discontinued" have any impact on customer service?  I was looking for a 3X9, but the viper 4X12 looks like a really good value.
yep,  it its discounted they will only offer excellent customer service. if its not its awesome customer service.......All vortex products carry a lifetime warranty so if something came up and happened they would repair or replace it to YOUR liking.  making sure you are happy!

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Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 20:27
How would the 2-7 do for a .308 out to 200-300 yards?
I know it would be fine for Minute of Man out to 500 yards.
But how about for putting a round into Bambi's vitals for clean kill at 200-300?



Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 20:29
No problem.  The 2-7 has more than enough.  In fact, precise shots at 600 yards are quite doable at 7X with a competent shooter.
 
Go for it.


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Posted By: Hubby11
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 20:38
Originally posted by ChileRelleno ChileRelleno wrote:

How would the 2-7 do for a .308 out to 200-300 yards?
I know it would be fine for Minute of Man out to 500 yards.
But how about for putting a round into Bambi's vitals for clean kill at 200-300?



I may be able to let you know tomorrow.  I have the 2-7X32 on a Sako .308 and will be using it tomorrow on a kill permit to help a vineyard with a deer problem.  Assuming I do my part, I am pretty sure the 2-7 will be fine for 200-300yds.


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Posted By: blacktails
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 20:40
Originally posted by ChileRelleno ChileRelleno wrote:

How would the 2-7 do for a .308 out to 200-300 yards?
I know it would be fine for Minute of Man out to 500 yards.
But how about for putting a round into Bambi's vitals for clean kill at 200-300?
 
You should have no problem with that range what so ever, as far as the scope goes.  You could do what I did, and order the BDC reticle.  Not only is it thicker than the regular plex, which should help somewhat with lower light shots, but you also have the BDC feature as well, which should make it easier for longer shots.


Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:09
Are the 2-7 BDCs In-Stock? 
I don't see anything about a back order on these in particular.
But I saw others talk about other 2-7 reticles being back ordered.
Does SWFA show back orders?


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:13
Originally posted by ChileRelleno ChileRelleno wrote:

Are the 2-7 BDCs In-Stock? 
I don't see anything about a back order on these in particular.
But I saw others talk about other 2-7 reticles being back ordered.
Does SWFA show back orders?
Your best bet is to call first thing in the morning and ask.  If you order it you will get a backorder email sent fairly quickly if its on backorder but the site is not real time or have a backorder indicator.

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Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:19
What height rings (Burris Xtreme Tactical) would you think would work best with this scope?
It would be mounted on a picatinny rail.
.5" or .75"?

I want to keep it low, it'll be atop a AK platform rifle, Saiga.308-ver.21.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:22
again the best thing is to ask SWFA in the AM when you call they have the numbers you'll need to know what to order height wise.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:29
Originally posted by magshooter1 magshooter1 wrote:

Originally posted by powderburn powderburn wrote:

Scott, Sorry to go off on a "tangent" it was really a poor attempt to be allagorical. I like the idea of Vortex and while I don't have any of your products yet The ones I have handled have been impressive in their price range.
   I see vortex as offering a good product and trying to build a reputation as having great CS. A earlier poster had made a comment about Black & Decker changing suppiers and maybe that was what was ocurring here. My point was if you want to build a reputation as a long standing supplier of quality products that last a lifetime then B&D is probably not the business model you want to follow. B&D make decent hand tools in their market range but to be truthful over the past 20 years they have gone to producing throw aways. I have a few of their tools as I don't use them often and it's not a disaster if one gives it up after a few years of service so I buy them because they are cheaper and probably will meet my needs. I consider Bushnell in the same way in scopes. They have some nice products and I have a couple that I have had for years. However I know in my heart if they ever give it up then they are pretty much done or if they are replaced I would expect my scopechiefs which were the top pf the line in their day to be replaced with a scopechief which today is a so-so product. See the thread Bummed on Bushnell to see what I'm talking about. It's a shame they squander their reputation like they do when the elite scope they offer are pretty decent stuff.
Vortex has some nice stuff, I would urge you to keep your base product line pretty much intact and work on improving value thru better internal components and small incremental improvements. I think long term this will serve you better to establish your company as a long term player. I know a lot of people on this forum like to bash Leupold but this describes why many of us have stuck with them. Well that and the fact that we grew up looking at Jack Slacks custom rifles festooned across the pages of the gun rags of course all of them wearing Leupolds. One of the great marketing campaigns of all time imho. Good luck and I wish Vortex well. Just put a gloss finish on a few of the basic models would you.
 
I will second that.

are you kidding me, gloss is for womens lipsBig Grin


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Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:40
Dang but I'm a indecisive ol'goat... Juggle


The 3-9x40 would give better low light performance...  Yes?

Lot of early mornings here in Lower Alabama.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:44
well lets do the math

3x9x40        40/6=6.667

2x7x32         32/6=5.333

they would be close, probably close enough you wouldnt notice a lot of difference in light transmission.
ive got a 2x7 viper on my .375H&H and i really like it.


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Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:47
Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

well lets do the math

3x9x40        40/6=6.667

2x7x32         32/6=5.333

they would be close, probably close enough you would notice a lot of difference in light transmission.
ive got a 2x7 viper on my .375H&H and i really like it.
Would or Would'nt?


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:50
oops my bad wouldnt

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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

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Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:54
Okeydokey, in-stock or outta stock, I think I'm going to go ahead and order the 2-7 BDC.
Use the savings over the 3-9 on rings.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:56
i got the versa plex for mine, its very nice. i think you will be happy with it.

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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

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Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 21:56
Guys/gals...
I appreciate the replies.
I know little of optics and have been really torn on making a good choice for my $


Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/05/2010 at 22:57
Pulled the trigger on the 2-7 BDC and .75" Burris Xtreme Tactical rings.

Took me long enuff...  LOL


Posted By: powderburn
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 08:14
"are you kidding me, gloss is for womens lips".

And for people with purty rifles.

I know I'm an old fart, addicted to nice walnut and deep blued steel. I am coming around a bit though, I would consider a matte for my stevens 200. It would hardly be noticeable along side the ugly plastic stock. ;^)


Posted By: blacktails
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 14:10

The 2-7 with BDC is on back order, at least they were a couple of days ago when I ordered mine.  They sent me an email the next day after I ordered, saying they were out of stock.  Hopefully they'll be in fairly soon.  Worth waiting for from what I hear.



Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 14:21
Originally posted by blacktails blacktails wrote:

The 2-7 with BDC is on back order, at least they were a couple of days ago when I ordered mine.  They sent me an email the next day after I ordered, saying they were out of stock.  Hopefully they'll be in fairly soon.  Worth waiting for from what I hear.

Yep back ordered...  I called CS and they said next shipment is due next week.
Said, 10 2-7 BDCs were ordered and six, mine included, are spoken for.
So with luck, our 2-7 BDCs, should ship next week.


Posted By: blacktails
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 16:46

Thanks for that update, ChileRelleno!  Much appreciated.  Mine will be going on a Model 70 Featherweight in .257 Roberts that I got a month or so back.  With some Burris Signature rings, it should be a great match.  I was going to use my new Trijicon 3-9 on it, but decided to save that for another project that I'm slowwwwly accumulating parts for.



Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 17:41
Originally posted by powderburn powderburn wrote:

"are you kidding me, gloss is for womens lips".

And for people with purty rifles.

I know I'm an old fart, addicted to nice walnut and deep blued steel. I am coming around a bit though, I would consider a matte for my stevens 200. It would hardly be noticeable along side the ugly plastic stock. ;^)

ive got a beautiful m700 cdl in a .264win mag and the last thing in the world i would want is some shiny scope to take away from it. i would long before consider a silver scope before gloss. besides it scares off the animals, and the zombies will know right where you are when the sun is shining.Wink




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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: blacktails
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 18:23
VERY good looking rifle!  Those CDLs are a class act, and that one has some pretty nice wood in that stock.


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 18:25
I am going to get one with C3 reticle, I think.

I much prefer that to the BDC.

ILya


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Posted By: DAVE44
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 19:29
I am considering a regular plex but everyone who has the C3 seems to like it. How thin are the inner circle lines. What exactly is this reticle made for or good for. I have no need for holdover reticles I do mostly short range woods hunting. It just seems like in low light you would have nothing that you could see to aim with.


Posted By: powderburn
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 19:38
Pyro I have a old cdl 270 mtn rifle pretty much just like yours. I know it will kill your soul but mine has a shiny 3x9 Leupold on top of it. I will admit I am having a tuff time fighting the urge to order one of these 2x7 vipers. I just don't really need it.


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 20:05
  "NEED" is not a word in the SWFA dictionary.  Bucky
 
   Dave,the inner circle lines are not so thick that they bother the view if that's what concerns you.. Also,the thick parts of the reticle are wider than they look in the reticle image below. Everyone who has looked through mine says that their focus is immediately drawn to the center of the reticle.  I've always been a post and crosshair kind a guy for a reticle that is fast on target but this C3 TO ME is better.
 
   

Versa-Plex C3 Reticle

This reticle is designed for quick and easy target acquisition at closer distances while still maintaining good distance precision. Ideal for the shotgun, black-powder, and dangerous game hunter.



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Posted By: DAVE44
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 20:12
I have had a Bushnell Trophy with the circle x reticle and I liked that reticle also. Have you had a Circle X reticle scope? If so, do you like this one better? The thing I liked about the trophy was the larger sight picture, I dont care for small tube views on a hunting rifle. Would you say that the view is at least comparable to a bushnell 3-9x40 3200 or 4200 in image size or is it smaller?


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 20:30
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  "NEED" is not a word in the SWFA dictionary.  Bucky
 
   Dave,the inner circle lines are not so thick that they bother the view if that's what concerns you.. Also,the thick parts of the reticle are wider than they look in the reticle image below. Everyone who has looked through mine says that their focus is immediately drawn to the center of the reticle.  I've always been a post and crosshair kind a guy for a reticle that is fast on target but this C3 TO ME is better.
 
   

Versa-Plex C3 Reticle

This reticle is designed for quick and easy target acquisition at closer distances while still maintaining good distance precision. Ideal for the shotgun, black-powder, and dangerous game hunter.


amen to that!


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 20:31
Originally posted by DAVE44 DAVE44 wrote:

I am considering a regular plex but everyone who has the C3 seems to like it. How thin are the inner circle lines. What exactly is this reticle made for or good for. I have no need for holdover reticles I do mostly short range woods hunting. It just seems like in low light you would have nothing that you could see to aim with.

for me my thoughts were for a dgr scope, or for pushing timber type. if what you want to hit is inside that inner circle its toast.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: ChileRelleno
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 20:41
Originally posted by DAVE44 DAVE44 wrote:

I have had a Bushnell Trophy with the circle x reticle and I liked that reticle also. Have you had a Circle X reticle scope? If so, do you like this one better? The thing I liked about the trophy was the larger sight picture, I dont care for small tube views on a hunting rifle. Would you say that the view is at least comparable to a bushnell 3-9x40 3200 or 4200 in image size or is it smaller?

Vortex Viper's FoV - 46.7-13.4 feet/100 yards
Bushnell 4200 FoV - 33.8/11@3x 11.5/4@9x

Viper wins.


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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 20:41

 The dimensions of the C3 reticle are completely different than the Circle-X.

                      
                            Circle-X                                                              C3
                     http://swfa.com/images/bushnell_circlex_popup.jpg">Circle-X                                              http://swfa.com/images/vortex_c3_popup.jpg">Versa-Plex C3
   As far as a comparison to the Bushnell's. I've never had a 4200 and it's been a long time since I've looked through a 3200.   What I can tell you is that with my Viper on 4X the image is just a hair smaller than the image in my 4X Conquest.


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 20:43
Originally posted by ChileRelleno ChileRelleno wrote:

Originally posted by DAVE44 DAVE44 wrote:

I have had a Bushnell Trophy with the circle x reticle and I liked that reticle also. Have you had a Circle X reticle scope? If so, do you like this one better? The thing I liked about the trophy was the larger sight picture, I dont care for small tube views on a hunting rifle. Would you say that the view is at least comparable to a bushnell 3-9x40 3200 or 4200 in image size or is it smaller?

Vortex Viper's FoV - 46.7-13.4 feet/100 yards
Bushnell 4200 FoV - 33.8/11@3x 11.5/4@9x

Viper wins.

the only thing that sucks is that the viper doesnt have rainguard, you do get a set of see through lens covers though.


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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: August/06/2010 at 20:45
  I've never had a 4200 and it's been a long time since I've looked through a 3200.  What I can tell you if it helps is that with my Viper at 4X the image is just a hair narrower than my 4X Conquest.

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