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Topic: 1500yd scope
Posted By: Nicetry7
Subject: 1500yd scope
Date Posted: June/10/2010 at 22:43
Hey Guys,
sorry for the ignorant question but Im looking at getting a scope that will last forever and will fulfill everything I need it to do out to 1500+ yards. I am strongly leaning towards the Nightforce 5.5-22 x 56 NXS with Mil-dot. Any body have any reviews of these or experiences good or bad? Also, is there any other scope along these lines and quality for closer to $1000, or should I just wait and save up for this one?
Thanks For any help
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Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: June/11/2010 at 01:48
Just realize the scope does nothing but sit atop the rifle. There has never been a scope that has lasted forever. Forever has not arrived. You have to do every thing you need to to do to be at that range. Now for a good scope the NF will be as good as anything else until you get up to the S&B range in quality, but that is twice the price or more.
Welcome to the OT.
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Posted By: Nicetry7
Date Posted: June/11/2010 at 01:51
Ah thanks. Any suggestions on which model/magnification?
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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: June/11/2010 at 07:40
I wouldn't count out the SS10xHD
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Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: June/11/2010 at 07:53
What rifle do you have set up for 1500 Yds that you are placing this scope on?
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Posted By: Sgt. D
Date Posted: June/11/2010 at 10:39
Your budget will get you into some scopes that are durable and have good enough glass to do fair on such ranges. What ever you get needs to have a 30mm tube (atleast) to give you the elevation adjustment required. Reguardless of your experience in shooting these longer distances, the scope you use has to fit the task. Here are some scopes to consider that are in reach considering your stated budget. Keep us informed on your choices and some here can give you hands on experience with these scopes. Not all may agree but, I tend to want to go some beyond what the goal requires rather than just able to meet it.
Welcome to the OT and good luck with your project.
http://www.samplelist.com/Swarovski-6-24x50-Professional-Hunter-Riflescope-DEMO-B-P814.aspx - http://www.samplelist.com/Swarovski-6-24x50-Professional-Hunter-Riflescope-DEMO-B-P814.aspx
http://www.samplelist.com/Zeiss-6-24x56-Victory-Diavari-DEMO-B-P222.aspx - http://www.samplelist.com/Zeiss-6-24x56-Victory-Diavari-DEMO-B-P222.aspx
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8947.aspx - http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8947.aspx
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Hunting-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P2910.aspx - http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Hunting-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P2910.aspx
http://swfa.com/Leupold-65-20x50-VX-3-30mm-Riflescope-P12738.aspx - http://swfa.com/Leupold-65-20x50-VX-3-30mm-Riflescope-P12738.aspx
http://swfa.com/Leupold-65-20x56-VX-3L-30mm-Riflescope-P12741.aspx - http://swfa.com/Leupold-65-20x56-VX-3L-30mm-Riflescope-P12741.aspx
http://swfa.com/Leupold-85-25x50-VX-3-30mm-Riflescope-P12747.aspx - http://swfa.com/Leupold-85-25x50-VX-3-30mm-Riflescope-P12747.aspx
P.S. the Leupolds are probably on the light duty end of this list but if not abused will give you what you want.
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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: June/11/2010 at 10:51
I would not recommend a hunting scope for the type of shooting you are
wanting to do. You need one with adjustable turrets and a lot of
elevation and windage. I would go with the NIghtforce you have listed.
It is very capable of doing what you want and it probably the best
choice in its price range.
If you want one now while you are saving up for the Nightforce, get a Super SNiper 16x fixed scope from SWFA. THey are only $300 and will do what you need no problem until you get your money saved up. I have a friend that uses that same Super Sniper on a Barrett semi auto .50 and he just loves it.
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Posted By: Jon A
Date Posted: June/11/2010 at 14:18
Nicetry7 wrote:
Hey Guys,
sorry for the ignorant question but Im looking at getting a scope that will last forever and will fulfill everything I need it to do out to 1500+ yards. I am strongly leaning towards the Nightforce 5.5-22 x 56 NXS with Mil-dot. Any body have any reviews of these or experiences good or bad? Also, is there any other scope along these lines and quality for closer to $1000, or should I just wait and save up for this one? |
The Nightforce is a good choice, but there are lots of others that can get it done too. I've done it with an IOR 4-14 and a Premier 3-15. And I'll be doing it again soon with a Viper PST 4-16. While I'd prefer more magnification for those shots, it's my hunting rifle which I also use in the thick brush so the scope needs a good low end.
The things needed are mainly decent magnification, decent glass, and reliable tracking with quite a bit of travel. The degree of each you need or will want depends on some factors.
What will you be shooting? If rock chucks and p-dogs, you need more magnification and better glass. It's time to stick a crowbar in the old pocketbook if you want an enjoyable experience. Shooting steel plates (especially painted white) and you can get away with much less power and cheaper glass.
How much travel you'll need obviously depends upon what round you're shooting. You should be able to figure that out. Remember it's better to have too much than barely enough or too little.
If you can answer some of those we can narrow down the field a bit.
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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/11/2010 at 20:20
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Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: June/11/2010 at 21:55
When I have shot beyond 1500 yards out to over 2000 yards I have used these optics: 8-32 NXS, 8.5-25 Leupold Mark 4, and a Leupold VX-3 8.5-25
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Posted By: Hustler2Bravo
Date Posted: June/13/2010 at 15:02
I agree with Ernie, you can't go wrong with a Leo. Mark 4 Tactical. You can get the 4.5-14x50 30mm for rite above 1000$. I've got one and couldn't be more confident in a scope. If I miss it's my fault no matter what the yardage. You have to practice with them, know how to use the mildot reticle and the tagret knobs and you will hit your target everytime.
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Posted By: flashpoint
Date Posted: June/15/2010 at 05:22
I see your wanted price. The Nightforce NXS is very good but over 1000$
You have the same quality optics in other model: Nightforce Benchrest 12-42X 56 and very importan ,I recomend you the NPR2 reticle for long range.
I imagine you are using a 338 lapua magnum ammo to reach 1500 yards. My be a Blaser?
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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/15/2010 at 19:38
Why do I tend to think this guy is pulling our chain?
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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: June/16/2010 at 08:42
Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:
Why do I tend to think this guy is pulling our chain? |
Because your jaded.........................like me
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Posted By: casd
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 15:06
I have a NF 5.5-22 with mil-bar reticle and it is great for the distances I shoot. I also have a 8-32 but i would say that it is too much magnification in most situations, especially if your targets are moving, but goos luck hitting a moving target at 1500 yards
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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 15:37
Hustler2Bravo wrote:
I agree with Ernie, you can't go wrong with a Leo. Mark 4 Tactical. You can get the 4.5-14x50 30mm for rite above 1000$. I've got one and couldn't be more confident in a scope. If I miss it's my fault no matter what the yardage. You have to practice with them, know how to use the mildot reticle and the tagret knobs and you will hit your target everytime.
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I would heartily disagree with that.
And hitting the target every time at 1500 yards; I'd say that fits quite nicely under the "you've never shot 1500 yards" heading.
If the budget is $1,000, I'd save for awhile.
I've owned/used several Nightforce, they are far more reliable than current Leupolds, and have better glass too.
I'd recommend MANY other options before Leupold. (Unless you get their discounted price, there is always a better deal.)
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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 15:51
Nicetry7 wrote:
Hey Guys,
.........a scope that will last forever and will fulfill everything I need it to do out to 1500+ yards. ...
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Post #2
no further response asking questions
HMMMMM
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Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 16:03
Has anyone here ever shot above 1000 yards?
First off to build a rifle capable of shooting those crazy distances and pay for the ammo you are either well off, or live with your parents and don't pay a mortgage or rent.
It's not practical for 99% of us out there to shoot anything in the 1500 yard range.
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Posted By: topbrass
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 16:18
My AR-15 service rifle will shoot accuately beyond 1000 yds and it only cost $700(initially) and the ammo is cheaper than store bought.
Shooting beyond 1000yds and hitting a moose size target is not that specialized. Shooting 8" groups past 1000 yds is however.
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Posted By: Jon A
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 16:38
shooter07 wrote:
Has anyone here ever shot above 1000 yards? |
Yes. Lots. It's not as uncommon as you may think.
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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 16:40
topbrass wrote:
My AR-15 service rifle will shoot accuately beyond 1000 yds and it only cost $700(initially) and the ammo is cheaper than store bought.
Shooting beyond 1000yds and hitting a moose size target is not that specialized. Shooting 8" groups past 1000 yds is however. |
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Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 16:43
Rancid Coolaid wrote:
topbrass wrote:
My AR-15 service rifle will shoot accuately beyond 1000 yds and it only cost $700(initially) and the ammo is cheaper than store bought.
Shooting beyond 1000yds and hitting a moose size target is not that specialized. Shooting 8" groups past 1000 yds is however. |
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+1. On a major scale.
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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 16:45
I've shot well past 1K, but never needed a scope to hit my target! No need for a scope on a five inch fifty four. LOL!
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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 17:14
And yes, I've shot at 1,000 and beyond, but it was far more difficult for me than it seems to be to all the marksmen I find on the internet.
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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 17:17
10 football fields is a long ways out there. i dont know that i could even hit a 4x8 sheet of ply wood from that far away. 500 is plenty far for me.
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Posted By: topbrass
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 18:09
Rancid Coolaid wrote:
And yes, I've shot at 1,000 and beyond, but it was far more difficult for me than it seems to be to all the marksmen I find on the internet.
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No doubt.
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Posted By: topbrass
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 18:23
Rancid Coolaid wrote:
topbrass wrote:
My AR-15 service rifle will shoot accuately beyond 1000 yds and it only cost $700(initially) and the ammo is cheaper than store bought.
Shooting beyond 1000yds and hitting a moose size target is not that specialized. Shooting 8" groups past 1000 yds is however. |
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RC, you are welcome to join me at Whittington Center on the 1000yd range and shoot my service rifle with a scope attached. I can teach you how to hit the target at 1000yds. I will be there for the CR Silhouette Nationals August 2-5. You might enjoy it!
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Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 18:26
What are the specs on your AR?
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Posted By: topbrass
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 18:44
Typical CMP Service Rifle, looks like a regular M-16 A2 rifle. But with a few modifications, Wilson air gauged 1:8 barrel, free floating handguard, two stage match trigger, 3lb weight in the butt, 1/4 MOA rear sight, squared front sight, same as all competition service rifles. Slap a scope on it and shoot 80gr SMK's and its good to 1000yds and beyond.
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Posted By: Monster
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 19:57
From what i gather just throwing an SMK will do 1000 yards.....
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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 20:22
That a well-made service rifle with a 1:8 barrel can throw 80-gr SMKs
accurately at a target 1000 yards away has never been questioned (by
me.) That a guy who strolled into Optics Talk, smitten with the merits of a CounterSniper optic can do it, more suspect. That a "service rifle" costing $700 can do it with cheapo ammo, even more suspect. Yea, you clarified the custom barrel and probably will say hand loads; you seem the kinda guy to spin everything.
I've seen an AR do 1000 yards with little problem, and I've seen MANY more idiots online claim 5 mile kills and 1500 yard shots at coke cans than I care to recall. Claiming it and doing it, two very different things.
I'm sure you are a legend in your own mind, carry on.
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Posted By: topbrass
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 20:33
RC, I see you havent lost your touch at mischaracterizing anything you can grab. Sorry but I will not be dragged down to your level again. This is my last post on your nickle. Carry on.
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Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 20:35
Rancid Coolaid wrote:
That a well-made service rifle with a 1:8 barrel can throw 80-gr SMKs
accurately at a target 1000 yards away has never been questioned (by
me.) That a guy who strolled into Optics Talk, smitten with the merits of a CounterSniper optic can do it, more suspect. That a "service rifle" costing $700 can do it with cheapo ammo, even more suspect. Yea, you clarified the custom barrel and probably will say hand loads; you seem the kinda guy to spin everything.
I've seen an AR do 1000 yards with little problem, and I've seen MANY more idiots online claim 5 mile kills and 1500 yard shots at coke cans than I care to recall. Claiming it and doing it, two very different things.
I'm sure you are a legend in your own mind, carry on.
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It's like muscle bound idiots at the bar on liquid courage. The internet is full of outlandish banter.
People don't realize that 1500 yards in just 200+ yards shy of a mile. I've watched elite rifleman with great equipment struggle to get dialed in. Shooting at that distance brings into to so many unpredictable environmental factors. You have temperature, pressures, up and cross winds and winds that flow in multiple directions along the bullet path. Shooting uphill/downhill etc along with others....
I've never shot this far myself but it's not a walk in the park and plenty of people would agree with me (those with the experience)
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 20:48
Rancid Coolaid wrote:
That a well-made service rifle with a 1:8 barrel can throw 80-gr SMKs
accurately at a target 1000 yards away has never been questioned (by
me.) That a guy who strolled into Optics Talk, smitten with the merits of a CounterSniper optic can do it, more suspect. That a "service rifle" costing $700 can do it with cheapo ammo, even more suspect. Yea, you clarified the custom barrel and probably will say hand loads; you seem the kinda guy to spin everything.
I've seen an AR do 1000 yards with little problem, and I've seen MANY more idiots online claim 5 mile kills and 1500 yard shots at coke cans than I care to recall. Claiming it and doing it, two very different things.
I'm sure you are a legend in your own mind, carry on.
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RC, since I stumbled onto this thread: with ARs you have seen do 1000 yards, were they still supersonic? what kind of precision were they getting?
I am not much of a long range guy so far, but I would imaging that unless it is in pretty thin air, even an 80gr bullet will go subsonic at about 900-950 yards or thereabouts.
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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 20:59
If I recall, out the barrel at about 2900FPS, it is still supersonic at 1,000 yards.
Lots of long range guys in service rifle shoots run the 80 and 90-gr SMK, they buck the wind much better. Precision and accuracy can be quite good if the rifle likes the load and the shooter does his part. Most long range non-service rifle has moved to 6BR or 30-cal, easier to send them down range much faster than service rifle, and more weight equals less wind drift.
I'm not an AR-at-1000-yards guy, but I know guys that shoot service rifle and they can do mighty impressive things with a black rifle at long range.
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Posted By: 338LAPUASLAP
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 21:08
I have shot (i live 15 minutes away from Camp Perry) the 600 and 1000 .223 rem using 80 82 83 87 and 90 from copper to alloy solids. It is challenging but doable I have with little competent instruction assisted a few friends in joining me and they all seem to be capable of acheiving a 30-48" group within 2 or 3 trips usually 2-3 fliers out or off of the group...
The tightest I have shot in a 20 shot string is a little around a foot and a half standing being strapped in with a jacket sized for someone else... sitting i have shot 12" 18 shot and 2 deviated about 4"-8" down and right (hint)...by the way the group was outside the 18" bull mostly 2 or 3 wandered in...
I simply do not think that it is outside someone to get the right setup and find someone who is well experienced to teach them and who is willing to learn and listen...
This however requires a few bucks as the ammo is pricey loaded and the components are also pricey even for a reloader, usually Berger, Lapua Custom, or custom man...
Reloading is at its best for this type of cartridge with this special purpose...VV all the way...
Besides Subsonic or .338LM it is by far my one of my best or most fun or even favorite...
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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 21:16
pyro6999 wrote:
10 football fields is a long ways out there. i dont know that i could even hit a 4x8 sheet of ply wood from that far away. 500 is plenty far for me. |
haven't been around very many football fields , but have alot of 1000 yd shooting, thanks for a new perspective for football fields. (a long handgun shot)
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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 21:18
would that be 10 or 20 goal posts?
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 21:41
Rancid Coolaid wrote:
If I recall, out the barrel at about 2900FPS, it is still supersonic at 1,000 yards.
Lots of long range guys in service rifle shoots run the 80 and 90-gr SMK, they buck the wind much better. Precision and accuracy can be quite good if the rifle likes the load and the shooter does his part. Most long range non-service rifle has moved to 6BR or 30-cal, easier to send them down range much faster than service rifle, and more weight equals less wind drift.
I'm not an AR-at-1000-yards guy, but I know guys that shoot service rifle and they can do mighty impressive things with a black rifle at long range.
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2900fps is pretty hot for an 80gr bullet. I think Black Hills 77gr is ~2750fps out of a 20 inch barrel. They must be willing to put up with quite a bit of pressure.
The fastest factory 223 ammo I have seen is Buffalo Bore's crazy 77gr that comes out at about 2850fps out of a 20 inch barrel.
I have not really been using my AR for longer range shooting due to a fair amount of wind at my shooting range most of the time. Perhaps, I will give it a shot.
338LapuaSlap, thanks for chiming in.
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Posted By: 338LAPUASLAP
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 21:58
for .223 and chambers keep around 50-52k vs for .223 wylde or true 5.56 chambers 60-62k pressures the RRA's 223 wylde can push 60 with ease... case capacity becomes the issue with the thicker side wall or case wall... so 2800+-2950 is obtainable but is pushing limits and should be done with caution and should be worked up to cautiously under the right tempreatures and pressures...
this is meant for 20" not your standard 16" while possible with the 1:7 it does not acheive the velocity necessary for that distance...
.223 Rem Case Weight vs. Capacity |
Case Manufacturer |
Case Weight* |
H20 Capacity** |
Lake City 06 |
92.0 |
30.6 |
WCC99 |
95.5 |
30.5 |
Sellier & Belloit |
92.3 |
30.5 |
Remington |
92.3 |
30.4 |
PMC |
93.5 |
30.4 |
Hirtenberger |
93.7 |
30.4 |
Lake City 04 |
93.0 |
30.4 |
Federal |
96.3 |
30.2 |
Hornady |
93.9 |
30.1 |
IMG (Guatemalan) |
95.4 |
30.1 |
Lapua (new lot) |
93.4 |
30.1 |
Winchester |
93.9 |
30.1 |
Olympic |
97.4 |
30.0 |
Radway Arsenal |
96.1 |
30.0 |
PMP |
104.5 |
29.9 |
FNM 93-1 |
97.3 |
29.8 |
Lapua (old lot) |
104.0 |
28.0 |
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 22:06
338LAPUASLAP wrote:
for .223 and chambers keep around 50-52k vs for .223 wylde or true 5.56 chambers 60-62k pressures the RRA's 223 wylde can push 60 with ease... case capacity becomes the issue with the thicker side wall or case wall... so 2800+-2950 is obtainable but is pushing limits and should be done with caution and should be worked up to cautiously under the right tempreatures and pressures...
this is meant for 20" not your standard 16" while possible with the 1:7 it does not acheive the velocity necessary for that distance...
.223 Rem Case Weight vs. Capacity |
Case Manufacturer |
Case Weight* |
H20 Capacity** |
Lake City 06 |
92.0 |
30.6 |
WCC99 |
95.5 |
30.5 |
Sellier & Belloit |
92.3 |
30.5 |
Remington |
92.3 |
30.4 |
PMC |
93.5 |
30.4 |
Hirtenberger |
93.7 |
30.4 |
Lake City 04 |
93.0 |
30.4 |
Federal |
96.3 |
30.2 |
Hornady |
93.9 |
30.1 |
IMG (Guatemalan) |
95.4 |
30.1 |
Lapua (new lot) |
93.4 |
30.1 |
Winchester |
93.9 |
30.1 |
Olympic |
97.4 |
30.0 |
Radway Arsenal |
96.1 |
30.0 |
PMP |
104.5 |
29.9 |
FNM 93-1 |
97.3 |
29.8 |
Lapua (old lot) |
104.0 |
28.0 | |
Interesting. I need to try this. My AR has a 20" barrel and 5.56NATO chamber.
Anyhow, this is WAY off topic and I apologize for dragging the thread off course.
To the original poster: 1500 yds is difficult and you should be prepared to spend a fair amount of money on both the rifle and the scope. By the time you gain proficiency at that range, you will spend so much money on ammo and on training and that the initial cost of equipment will be negligible.
Nightforce is a good way to go. The only scopes in the ~$1000 range that I can think of that might work are: http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P42527.aspx - http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P42527.aspx (if you are OK with 10x) http://swfa.com/Sightron-6-24x50-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P9151.aspx - http://swfa.com/Sightron-6-24x50-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P9151.aspx http://swfa.com/Sightron-8-32x56-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P45298.aspx - http://swfa.com/Sightron-8-32x56-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P45298.aspx http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44559.aspx - http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44559.aspx
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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: June/22/2010 at 23:12
Dale Clifford wrote:
pyro6999 wrote:
10 football fields is a long ways out there. i dont know that i could even hit a 4x8 sheet of ply wood from that far away. 500 is plenty far for me. |
haven't been around very many football fields , but have alot of 1000 yd shooting, thanks for a new perspective for football fields. (a long handgun shot) |
your welcome dale. its usually you that provokes me to look at things differently. i will take that as a compliment i think.
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Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 01:12
shooter07 wrote:
Has anyone here ever shot above 1000 yards?
First off to build a rifle capable of shooting those crazy distances and pay for the ammo you are either well off, or live with your parents and don't pay a mortgage or rent.
It's not practical for 99% of us out there to shoot anything in the 1500 yard range.
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Yes, and I witnessed two guys today kill pd's at 1070 and 1244 yards. One was TC Contender in 223 (Shilen 1-7 twist with a custom forend and rest). Using a rifle scope on a single-shot specialty pistol.
The other was a rifle, a Remmy action chambered in 6XC, shooting 107 SMK's.
Yes I have shot out to 2000+ (not much over 2000 yards though) with several of my specialty handguns. They have either the VX-3 LR/T's, Mark 4's or a NXS when shooting in excess of 1200 or 1300 yards. I haven't grouped that much on steel or paper at 1500 yards, but with switchy winds it gets humbling very quickly
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 01:49
Hi Ernie.
I shoot pd's semi-frequently too. My longest hit was a tad over 1100 yds lasered, but not on the first shot. My longest called first shot hit that I recall was just short of 700 yards with a .204. But, I was dialed in and had already figured out my dope on other pd's at about the same distance after missing several times.
Were the shots you describe called shots on the first attempt, or were they the result of walking the shot in after "firing for effect" several times and spotting impact? Can those guys repeat that feat over and over again on the first shot?
There's a huge difference.
I've killed a pd at 350 yds with a .22LR in a 20 mph crosswind, but not on the first shot, or even the 6th. If you have an accurate rifle and the rat stays in one spot long enough for you to attempt enough shots at him, odds are you'll eventually get a hit at amazing distances if you shoot at it enough.
------------- Ted
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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 07:36
Ilya they are not using the 20 in service rifle most of the time if they are at 1000 they are using a 26in barrel match upper like these: http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/ - http://www.whiteoakarmament.com/
Guys that are really into it use the Tubb 2000 (spacegun) http://www.creedmoorsports.com/store/product.php?productid=16269&cat=270&page=1 - http://www.creedmoorsports.com/store/product.php?productid=16269&cat=270&page=1
The open sights are like a micrometer very nice gear and scopes have to have lots of internal adjustment so Nightforce 5.5-22x56 is quite popular.
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Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 07:40
RifleDude wrote:
Hi Ernie.
I shoot pd's semi-frequently too. My longest hit was a tad over 1100 yds lasered, but not on the first shot. My longest called first shot hit that I recall was just short of 700 yards with a .204. But, I was dialed in and had already figured out my dope on other pd's at about the same distance after missing several times.
Were the shots you describe called shots on the first attempt, or were they the result of walking the shot in after "firing for effect" several times and spotting impact? Can those guys repeat that feat over and over again on the first shot?
There's a huge difference.
I've killed a pd at 350 yds with a .22LR in a 20 mph crosswind, but not on the first shot, or even the 6th. If you have an accurate rifle and the rat stays in one spot long enough for you to attempt enough shots at him, odds are you'll eventually get a hit at amazing distances if you shoot at it enough.
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This is what im talking about. Just about any decent rifle shot with super equipment can put enough lead downrange to hit something at real long distances.
There is a HUGE difference in being able to kill pd's at 1000+ yards with 1 shot out of 10 or 6-8 times outta 10.
People who boast about taking out targets regularly over 1000-1500 yards are mostly full of it imo. Don't get me wrong, there are pro's with primo gear that can accomplish this but my bet most of them aren't posting around here.
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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 07:43
Most of the time the guys that can ACCURATELY hit targets at 1000yd+ will never say they can, its just a rare feat some witness from time to time. They dont' brag!
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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 08:02
Rancid and Mike probably spend more time at 1K than most of us. I get there sometimes but it is a lot easier to get on the 600 yd range than it is to get on our 1000 yd range cause we have to shut down the whole dam training area if its anything heavier than 5.56mm so its a pain to do it which means it doesnt happen often. I have a couple rifles that are up to it but I could use a higher power scope the 3.5-10 Mk4 FFP is really not quite enough power at those distances. Rancid's Heinsoldt would be the way to go if one could afford the scope.
http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Tactical-Hensoldt-Telescopic-Sights-C1950.aspx - http://swfa.com/Zeiss-Tactical-Hensoldt-Telescopic-Sights-C1950.aspx
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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 08:11
http://swfa.com/Leupold-65-20x50-VX-3-30mm-Riflescope-P12736.aspx - http://swfa.com/Leupold-65-20x50-VX-3-30mm-Riflescope-P12736.aspx
http://swfa.com/Sightron-6-24x50-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P9151.aspx - http://swfa.com/Sightron-6-24x50-SIII-30mm-Riflescope-P9151.aspx
These would be the least expensive scopes that would get you there.
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Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 08:50
RifleDude wrote:
Hi Ernie.
I shoot pd's semi-frequently too. My longest hit was a tad over 1100 yds lasered, but not on the first shot. My longest called first shot hit that I recall was just short of 700 yards with a .204. But, I was dialed in and had already figured out my dope on other pd's at about the same distance after missing several times.
Were the shots you describe called shots on the first attempt, or were they the result of walking the shot in after "firing for effect" several times and spotting impact? Can those guys repeat that feat over and over again on the first shot?
There's a huge difference.
I've killed a pd at 350 yds with a .22LR in a 20 mph crosswind, but not on the first shot, or even the 6th. If you have an accurate rifle and the rat stays in one spot long enough for you to attempt enough shots at him, odds are you'll eventually get a hit at amazing distances if you shoot at it enough.
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No not first shot connections. These were newbies to these distances with that small of a target. Neither had there drop charts past 1K. Have I made first shot connections @ 1K? Yes. Yes, without flags or spotter shots. Can I do that very often? I wish. Sometimes conditions won't allow it. Other times it depends on the size of the target.
------------- Ernie
"If you think you are perfect, just try walking on water."
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 12:22
SVT_Tactical wrote:
Most of the time the guys that can ACCURATELY hit targets at 1000yd+ will never say they can, its just a rare feat some witness from time to time. They dont' brag! |
Just to make sure we do not get too personal here: I have met Ernie, and he is a good guy. I have not seen him shoot personally, but I will venture a guess that he knows what he is talking about.
ILya
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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 13:36
koshkin wrote:
Rancid Coolaid wrote:
If I recall, out the barrel at about 2900FPS, it is still supersonic at 1,000 yards.
Lots of long range guys in service rifle shoots run the 80 and 90-gr SMK, they buck the wind much better. Precision and accuracy can be quite good if the rifle likes the load and the shooter does his part. Most long range non-service rifle has moved to 6BR or 30-cal, easier to send them down range much faster than service rifle, and more weight equals less wind drift.
I'm not an AR-at-1000-yards guy, but I know guys that shoot service rifle and they can do mighty impressive things with a black rifle at long range.
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2900fps is pretty hot for an 80gr bullet. I think Black Hills 77gr is ~2750fps out of a 20 inch barrel. They must be willing to put up with quite a bit of pressure.
The fastest factory 223 ammo I have seen is Buffalo Bore's crazy 77gr that comes out at about 2850fps out of a 20 inch barrel.
I have not really been using my AR for longer range shooting due to a fair amount of wind at my shooting range most of the time. Perhaps, I will give it a shot.
338LapuaSlap, thanks for chiming in.
ILya
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1,000 yards with a .223 is definitely pushing the limits of the cartridge and AR platform. It ain't my game, not willing to put the time and energy into an AR and load to make it work - since my 1,000 yard range sessions aren't the average, I much prefer 600-800 yards, it bolsters the conficne. The jump to 800+ lowers confidence as anything (ANYTHING) you do wrong is magnified. Nothing like watching someone disk a "maggies drawers" from 1000 yarsd away.
800+ is humbling. Anyone who claims bulls "every time" is blowing sunshine. Or is using a Howitzer with a 600 yard kill radius.
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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 13:41
koshkin wrote:
SVT_Tactical wrote:
Most of the time the guys that can ACCURATELY hit targets at 1000yd+ will never say they can, its just a rare feat some witness from time to time. They dont' brag! |
Just to make sure we do not get too personal here: I have met Ernie, and he is a good guy. I have not seen him shoot personally, but I will venture a guess that he knows what he is talking about.
ILya |
Wasn't directing that at anyone particular just a general observation.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 13:42
SVT_Tactical wrote:
koshkin wrote:
SVT_Tactical wrote:
Most of the time the guys that can ACCURATELY hit targets at 1000yd+ will never say they can, its just a rare feat some witness from time to time. They dont' brag! |
Just to make sure we do not get too personal here: I have met Ernie, and he is a good guy. I have not seen him shoot personally, but I will venture a guess that he knows what he is talking about.
ILya |
Wasn't directing that at anyone particular just a general observation. |
My apologies, then. As a general observation, I think that is absolutely correct.
ILya
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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 14:07
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8949.aspx"> |
http://swfa.com/images/ior_mp8dot_popup.jpg"> |
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8949.aspx - IOR 6-24x50 Tactical 35mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - 642508
- Matte
- Illuminated MP-8 Dot
- 35mm
- Exposed Knobs
- Side Focus
- Free IOR 35mm Medium Rings w/ Purchase
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$1,594.95 | Ilya you dont happen to know how much internal adjustment this one has it would seem to be a good choice also if it has enought adjustment. Glass should certainly be top quality.
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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 14:12
I had one of those for a while and it had 56 MOA of adjustment.
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 14:17
Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8949.aspx"> |
http://swfa.com/images/ior_mp8dot_popup.jpg"> |
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8949.aspx -
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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 14:57
koshkin wrote:
Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8949.aspx"> |
http://swfa.com/images/ior_mp8dot_popup.jpg"> |
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8949.aspx - IOR 6-24x50 Tactical 35mm Rifle Scope
Stock # - 642508
- Matte
- Illuminated MP-8 Dot
- 35mm
- Exposed Knobs
- Side Focus
- Free IOR 35mm Medium Rings w/ Purchase
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$1,594.95 | Ilya you dont happen to know how much internal adjustment this one has it would seem to be a good choice also if it has enought adjustment. Glass should certainly be top quality. |
Something around 60MOA or just below that. My memory is not what it used to be.
ILya |
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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 15:08
Ilya, are you telling us something my friend? LOL!
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 16:20
Steelbenz wrote:
Ilya, are you telling us something my friend? LOL! |
I am usually telling someone something (not very good at keeping my mouth shut), but I am not exactly sure what you are referring to right now.
ILya
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 16:22
Kickboxer wrote:
koshkin wrote:
Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8949.aspx"> |
http://swfa.com/images/ior_mp8dot_popup.jpg"> |
http://swfa.com/IOR-6-24x50-Tactical-35mm-Rifle-Scope-P8949.aspx -
Ed, it was Ed, Ed made me say that, Oh Dark One...
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I think you are now off both my and Ed's Christmas list.
ILya
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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 17:41
hint: Your getting "Old" my friend!!
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 17:47
Steelbenz wrote:
hint: Your getting "Old" my friend!!
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Not compared to you I am not.
ILya
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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: June/23/2010 at 17:56
LOL! you do have a point!
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Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 07:55
koshkin wrote:
Just to make sure we do not get too personal here: I have met Ernie, and he is a good guy. I have not seen him shoot personally, but I will venture a guess that he knows what he is talking about.
ILya |
Ilya, Thank you. I appreciate your confidence.
FWIW My 16 year old son and myself just finished a 3-day LR handgun competition just outside of Sundance, WY. http://www.moaguns.com
You can look on the site and see the type of shooting that is done. This year I won first at 500 yards , 750 yards, and 1000 yards in the light gun class. and my son won first at 1000 yards in the heavy gun class.
I shot prone with a bi-pod in heavy gun at the 500 and 750 yard distances instead of the bench with a front rest. I went to the shoot-off in each distance but didn't win first. I know I could have done better using a front rest, but I am working on my field shooting skills.
In the roving field course I tied for first ( shots were only out to 600 yards). All but three pieces of steel were 8 inches square. Of course there were no sighter shot s and no wind flags and all shooting was prone. We did have two reticle range targets and one where you were required to shoot from the kneeling or sitting position.
Being at a long-range handgun seminar several years ago. I was stretching out a new center-grip XP-100 that Kirby Allen had built for me in 7mm Dakota. I had good natured challenge from my long time hunting buddy Steve Hugel (sscoyote) that I could hit the 1000 yard target with a first shot connection. No one had shot at 1K yet that day and there were no wind flags. Off of a bi-pod here is my first shot.
------------- Ernie
"If you think you are perfect, just try walking on water."
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Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 07:56
------------- Ernie
"If you think you are perfect, just try walking on water."
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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 09:08
Very nice Ernie.
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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 09:24
Ernie, that is great shooting...
(don't anybody tell him, but there are rifles shorter than that "hogleg" he has there)....
Seriously, what's a rig like that go for? About 100 yards is as far as I've ever tried pistol shooting.
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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 09:37
koshkin wrote:
SVT_Tactical wrote:
Most of the time the guys that can ACCURATELY hit targets at 1000yd+ will never say they can, its just a rare feat some witness from time to time. They dont' brag! |
Just to make sure we do not get too personal here: I have met Ernie, and he is a good guy. I have not seen him shoot personally, but I will venture a guess that he knows what he is talking about.
ILya |
well ernie gets my approval then as well, as fellow wyoming native he gets one point and if ilya has met him first hand and swears he is the real deal then thats all i need to know.
------------- They call me "Boots" 375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"
343 we will never forget
God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy"
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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 09:53
Great shooting, Ernie!
I bet 7mm Dakota is quite a handful in an XP-100! My brother has one (with the ugly old brown "simulated wood grain" plastic stock) in 7BR, and it's a shooter!
------------- Ted
Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.
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Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 15:18
Thanks guys!
Extreme LR rifles are heavier and have longer barrels.
In the same spirit, LR specialty handguns have longer barrels and weigh
more than your typical TC, MOA or XP-100.
Yes, that Specialty Pistol (XP) is quite big. With the Holland Radial brakes it is quite a puff-cake to shoot. Even with the 200 grain Wildcats at 2705 fps. 1-7 twist Lilja. I can safely see a full field of view with a VX-3, Mark 4 or NXS when shooting prone. Here is video clip: http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f73/holland-radial-muzzle-brake-xp-100-handgun-36059/ - http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f73/holland-radial-muzzle-brake-xp-100-handgun-36059/
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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 15:35
That is outstanding shooting Ernie. I made your link hot.
Doug
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Posted By: bert gummer
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 17:40
See ! there are people who can flat shoot.....
I remember when i was a youngin 22 or so......
me and a bunch of buddies were shooting all day
I was shooting clay targets I was on hitting
everything , i felt good, some other buddies were
trying to hit bottle caps off fence post @ 100yds with iron
sighed .22lrs maybe hitting 1 outa 30 shots, I said that
should be easy, I grabed his rifle put to my sholder bam ...
busted it..... I handed the rifle back to him and said it's
shooting a little left...........he/he.....a few said
do it again., I said it's too easy, I was tired....he/he...
I wasn't about to try again an let those people see
I couldn't shoot that great......to this day there's
people that think I'm one of those that can flat shoot......
I guess I'm fair but not good....he/he.........
just a funny story I though of when reading this......
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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 17:41
Ernie Bishop wrote:
Thanks guys!
Extreme LR rifles are heavier and have longer barrels.
In the same spirit, LR specialty handguns have longer barrels and weigh
more than your typical TC, MOA or XP-100.
Yes, that Specialty Pistol (XP) is quite big. With the Holland Radial brakes it is quite a puff-cake to shoot. Even with the 200 grain Wildcats at 2705 fps. 1-7 twist Lilja. I can safely see a full field of view with a VX-3, Mark 4 or NXS when shooting prone. Here is video clip: http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f73/holland-radial-muzzle-brake-xp-100-handgun-36059/ - http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f73/holland-radial-muzzle-brake-xp-100-handgun-36059/
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that brake really tames that pistol a lot, it barely jumps.
------------- They call me "Boots" 375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"
343 we will never forget
God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy"
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Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: June/27/2010 at 18:45
tahqua wrote:
That is outstanding shooting Ernie. I made your link hot.
Doug
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Thanks. I do some writing for longrangehunting.com and I also help Darrell Holland in his LR shooting schools. I do not even own a center-fire rifle.
Here is a post I made after Holland's school: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4134960/Having_Fun_With_The_7mm_SAUM#Post4134960 - http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4134960/Having_Fun_With_The_7mm_SAUM#Post4134960
I do all of my hunting shooting and competing with handguns, primarily specialty pistols.
The Light Gun class at the MOA handgun shoot must have a barrel, no longer than 15" and weight less than 7.5 pounds.
------------- Ernie
"If you think you are perfect, just try walking on water."
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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/28/2010 at 00:08
Kickboxer wrote:
Ernie, that is great shooting...
(don't anybody tell him, but there are rifles shorter than that "hogleg" he has there)....
Seriously, what's a rig like that go for? About 100 yards is as far as I've ever tried pistol shooting. |
Dan, do not go there!
When Ernie and I were chatting back at SHOT, he just about convinced me to try the whole "long range handgun" thing, although I would probably be more likely to try it with the Encore.
ILya
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Posted By: Ernie Bishop
Date Posted: June/28/2010 at 00:45
koshkin wrote:
When Ernie and I were chatting back at SHOT, he just about convinced me to try the whole "long range handgun" thing, although I would probably be more likely to try it with the Encore. ILya |
I did enjoy the visit we had at SHOT. Well, at least you are still thinking about a SP.
I wouldn't recommend the Encore for LR handgunning because of the TC barrel forend relationship.
FWIW-I would much rather use the MOA Maximum, FA's new single-shot pistol, or a bolt rig over the TC's. The TC can do some pretty good shooting, but it takes more work and finesse to keep from POI changes when using a bi-pod .
If you ever get out my direction, we will see if we can get you to hammer some pd's beyond 1k with one of my specialty handguns.
Hopefully, I can dedicate some time to reach my 2k goal this year. My furthest connection on a dog is 1800 yards to date.
------------- Ernie
"If you think you are perfect, just try walking on water."
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Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: June/28/2010 at 16:18
Nice looking rig& good viedo.....Thanks for the show.
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